Well no, the majority are not. They just live in areas where Hamas operate and have no real choice in the matter. Plus, after almost 70 years of oppression you can understand them sympathising with Hamas, although neither side should be targeting civilians. The simple fact is, Israeli actions towards the Palestineans has caused tensions to boil over and so of course the Palestineans are fighting back.
Plus, Israel has the 4th biggest army in the world. Palestine doesn't even have one. So how is this a fair fight, especially when it's Israel starting it? It's simple bully boy tactics.
Because bombing innocent civilians is ok as long as your Israeli? Evicting people from their homes and invading their territory is fine as long as you wear a uniform? Yes, there are some unsavoury actions by the Palestineans. But the actions of Israel are far worse and a lot harder to defend.[/quote]
I don´t think that killing people is ok in ANY regards, but if you play with fire you get burned. What do you think Israel should do? I would expect a reaction if I was from Israel.
Of course it is the worst form of propaganda but you should NEVER take a side, or you make yourself guilty. If you want to help, offer a shelter or take a stand between them.
Why is it propaganda: It is the usage of brute force and fake information to "prove" a position.
admirschleck wrote:
People who kill and who support killing deserves to be killed too.
With this sentence you support further killing, so using your own logic you deserve to be killed too, not?
Edited by Lachi on 20-07-2014 11:11
jph27 wrote:
Well no, the majority are not. They just live in areas where Hamas operate and have no real choice in the matter. Plus, after almost 70 years of oppression you can understand them sympathising with Hamas, although neither side should be targeting civilians. The simple fact is, Israeli actions towards the Palestineans has caused tensions to boil over and so of course the Palestineans are fighting back.
Plus, Israel has the 4th biggest army in the world. Palestine doesn't even have one. So how is this a fair fight, especially when it's Israel starting it? It's simple bully boy tactics.
So many wrong facts in one post.
First of all, the fact that Hamas operates from urban areas is not a coincidence. And after 14 years of constant rocket fire you can understand why we sympathies with the IDF. Our actions were actually to avoid escalation and even when Hamas fired rockets, we decided not to respond, yet the fire continued. And we don't have the 4 largest army in the world. As one of the smallest states that's just impossible.
zachbastian wrote:
Because bombing innocent civilians is ok as long as your Israeli? Evicting people from their homes and invading their territory is fine as long as you wear a uniform? Yes, there are some unsavoury actions by the Palestineans. But the actions of Israel are far worse and a lot harder to defend.
I don´t think that killing people is ok in ANY regards, but if you play with fire you get burned. What do you think Israel should do? I would expect a reaction if I was from Israel.[/quote]
Israel should stop being the aggressor, respect the terms of the partition plan regarding Palestinean territory and coexist with Palestine. Oh and stop settlement in the Palestinian territories. However, Palestine should have to do the same, and Hamas should have to disarm. I know it's unlikely to ever happen but it is necessary to stop the slaughter of innocents.
jph27 wrote:
Well no, the majority are not. They just live in areas where Hamas operate and have no real choice in the matter. Plus, after almost 70 years of oppression you can understand them sympathising with Hamas, although neither side should be targeting civilians. The simple fact is, Israeli actions towards the Palestineans has caused tensions to boil over and so of course the Palestineans are fighting back.
Plus, Israel has the 4th biggest army in the world. Palestine doesn't even have one. So how is this a fair fight, especially when it's Israel starting it? It's simple bully boy tactics.
So many wrong facts in one post.
First of all, the fact that Hamas operates from urban areas is not a coincidence. And after 14 years of constant rocket fire you can understand why we sympathies with the IDF. Our actions were actually to avoid escalation and even when Hamas fired rockets, we decided not to respond, yet the fire continued. And we don't have the 4 largest army in the world. As one of the smallest states that's just impossible.
Better to be factually incorrect than blinded by propaganda. I can understand the Israeli position on rocket fire - heck, I'd fire back in that position. It's the fact they are unable to consider that their actions are the root cause of it all that angers me.
As for the point about the armed forces, it's from a quote by Norman Finkelstein that I've added below:
Gaza was bombarded with 273 airstrikes yesterday (8th July). That's an average of 11 an hour. Gaza is about 25 miles long and 4 miles wide, with a population of 1.7 million crammed into that tiny space. It is under Israeli occupation and Israeli siege. Hospitals estimate they will run out of resources to treat the wounded in about a day. Electricity is intermittent. Gaza has no army, air force or navy. Israel is the fourth largest military power in the world. Resistance to occupation is allowed under international law. Israel's occupation, siege and collective punishment of Gaza is not.
@Lachi - Yes, I support killing killers, which is the only fair way to go with them, okay? If you want to be that literal, as you're trying to be, I am a killer in one hand then.
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I just don't know what to say to these people who are blinded by propaganda and western media. I would even give myself freedom to say that I agree with acac in one small percentage, as he's biased due to his nationality and religion, but seeing few of you supporting what Israel is doing is sick. Go and please research a bit and get some right facts, before you come here and say nonsense bullshit. Oh, and before that, go check your IQ once again. I am sure there's problem with it.
Other than that, I am out of this conversation. My brain hurts and is damaged from amount of stupidity some people spread here. You simply can't say something and confute yourself on another page.
Edited by admirschleck on 20-07-2014 12:00
admirschleck wrote:
@Lachi - Yes, I support killing killers, which is the only fair way to go with them, okay? If you want to be that literal, as you're trying to be, I am a killer in one hand then.
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I just don't know what to say to these people who are blinded by propaganda and western media. I would even give myself freedom to say that I agree with acac in one small percentage, as he's biased due to his nationality and religion, but seeing few of you supporting what Israel is doing is sick. Go and please research a bit and get some right facts, before you come here and say nonsense bullshit. Oh, and before that, go check your IQ once again. I am sure there's problem with it.
Other than that, I am out of this conversation. My brain hurts damaged from amount of stupidity some people spread here.
Seeing you supporting what Hamas is doing is sick as well. And about the IQ thing onwards, grow up. Just because you disagree with someone dosent give you the right to call him dumb.
Admir just because you believe in something doesn't mean everyone else has too as well, and when you start insulting people on a personal level makes you the stupid one. Everyone else is having a civilised dicussion while you've just been insulting people.
Again, just because you believe something doesn't make it right. This is what starts things like communism and dictatorships. One person thinks that what they believe is the only right thing, and they begin something which makes the world worse collectively.
No. I never call people who disagree with me dumb. I actually respect every opinion, but I simply can't respect this one. When even some percentages of Israelis, big percentage of Western world and almost whole world is against you (that actually almost never is against these things), it tells that Israel and your army are pretty much completely wrong in what they do. On another side you are trying to bring some untrue things that you call facts and constantly tell me to act as grown up man, while you're the one posting.
And remove that avatar that associates to killing people, please.
@Cycleman - You said that you're not enough in this topic and that you don't know much about it, so please go on side. No need to constantly point out that I am not allowed to write my opinion. Admins are there to warn me when I cross the line of allowed, which won't happen again, as I swear I am not responding to any other message here, on this topic. Reason -> find out above.
I never said that your opinion was wrong, and I never gave my opinion on the actual matter. All I did was remind you that you can't ridicule others' opinion and others for having that opinion. This isn't a personal thing at all
There's only 1 way to end this conflict. The people of Israel gotta move to Europe, where they can have their own country.
The problem is: Which country/countries wants to give land to Israel?
The Western World had no right to give Israel the area they have now. Therefore the Western world must make things right again by offering Israel land in Europe.
This is "The white man's burden" right?
Present:
Tinkoff-Saxo - AG2R - Colombian riders
Past:
Francisco Mancebo - Illes balears - Carlos Sastre - Kelme - Robbie McEwen
jacobjc88 wrote:
There's only 1 way to end this conflict. The people of Israel gotta move to Europe, where they can have their own country.
The problem is: Which country/countries wants to give land to Israel?
The Western World had no right to give Israel the area they have now. Therefore the Western world must make things right again by offering Israel land in Europe.
This is "The white man's burden" right?
Need I remind you what happened last time there were large numbers of Jews in Europe?
jacobjc88 wrote:
There's only 1 way to end this conflict. The people of Israel gotta move to Europe, where they can have their own country.
The problem is: Which country/countries wants to give land to Israel?
The Western World had no right to give Israel the area they have now. Therefore the Western world must make things right again by offering Israel land in Europe.
This is "The white man's burden" right?
Need I remind you what happened last time there were large numbers of Jews in Europe?
They all cleared off to Palestine and stole Arab land? And before anyone starts, I acknowledge the Holocaust, and pray to God it is never repeated. But where is the land for the victims of any other genocide?
