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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 15-06-2015 10:25
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Spilak23 wrote:
Riders in the World Tour get paid very well.
compared to what sport?
Like they say it is more then earning money place. Nobody is not doing pro cycling just for money.
It must be something more..and it is. Pro cyclist does not have much personal life..he is half a year away from home..trainings takes full job hours at day.
You really have to love that sport.
Why many promising youngsters stop cycling quite early..they can see what is meaning to be pro cyclist and they are choosing different profession. Nothing wrong there.
It is tough sport. If you ask me ..much harder and more demanding then being fireman or teacher. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 15-06-2015 10:44
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Guido Mukk wrote:
It is tough sport. If you ask me ..much harder and more demanding then being fireman or teacher.
Of course it is a tough sport, but without responsibilities for anyone bar you, when you put that other two jobs in discussion. Those are actually helping to develop and protect a society, not to teach them how to cheat and use drugs when riding a bike, so if it was my call, cyclist would earn 1/10 of their salary. 
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 15-06-2015 11:45
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Being a pro cyclist is hard for sure but harder than a fireman!?
In cycling youre not responsible for other people's life's, theres nowhere near the same level of mental stress too....
For sure its a hard sport but stop saying as if pro's barely could make a living. Of course it seems not fair if you compare it to golf or football or whatever but cycling is far less popular than those sports therefore less money is generated. This is how it is and it will be.
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 15-06-2015 15:10
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
Being a pro cyclist is hard for sure but harder than a fireman!?
Should fireman be over half a year living and traveling away from home.
Should fireman train himself 5-6h per day.
Is fireman career over over 15 year hard work.
Should fireman forget he's personal life
Should fireman forget education at some university.
Should fireman control what he is eating true he's all career.
Should fireman push he's body that far ..that it makes it so responsive and vulnerable.
mental stress.. Jimenez, Pantani, etc..etc. ..and don't start talk that doping just caused these tragedys
I am not talking about ..who is more useful for society. I am talking about sacrifice what pro cyclist should make compared to any other profession.
Avin..well if all cyclist is doper then please stop following that useless sport.
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 15-06-2015 15:14
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
It is tough sport. If you ask me ..much harder and more demanding then being fireman or teacher.
Of course it is a tough sport, but without responsibilities for anyone bar you, when you put that other two jobs in discussion. Those are actually helping to develop and protect a society, not to teach them how to cheat and use drugs when riding a bike, so if it was my call, cyclist would earn 1/10 of their salary.
well then football player should earn 1/1000 for he's sallary..or you thinking that football is clean sport? |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 16-06-2015 02:11
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Guido Mukk wrote:
Kirchen_75 wrote:
Being a pro cyclist is hard for sure but harder than a fireman!?
Should fireman be over half a year living and traveling away from home.
Should fireman train himself 5-6h per day.
Is fireman career over over 15 year hard work.
Should fireman forget he's personal life
Should fireman forget education at some university.
Should fireman control what he is eating true he's all career.
Should fireman push he's body that far ..that it makes it so responsive and vulnerable.
mental stress.. Jimenez, Pantani, etc..etc. ..and don't start talk that doping just caused these tragedys
I am not talking about ..who is more useful for society. I am talking about sacrifice what pro cyclist should make compared to any other profession.
Avin..well if all cyclist is doper then please stop following that useless sport.
Firefighters might not be away from home for 6 months of the year but do ALOT of rough hours shiftwork so do miss out on lots of "family" time
Being exposed to toxic chemicals on a regular basis has proven to shorten a firefighters working life and physical fitness requirements are massive
Again shift work limits personal life dramatically
A cyclist does not have to ignore university, Bardet is a good example of this
They do push themselves beyond limits both physically and mentally, I don't know many cyclists who have to deal with death on a regular basis like firefighters do.
Nobody is saying that cycling is easy but don't make it out to be harder than it is, there is no reason a cyclist can't be educated, plan for a life after cycling or have a personal life. This coddling of pro athletes is part of the problem, they are held in such high regard and why? Because they are physically gifted, There really does need to be a fundamental restructuring of how these pro sports are run. Yes I do have some sympathy for these guys but they are the ones who need to stand up and say we want change.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 16-06-2015 08:01
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Guido Mukk wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
It is tough sport. If you ask me ..much harder and more demanding then being fireman or teacher.
Of course it is a tough sport, but without responsibilities for anyone bar you, when you put that other two jobs in discussion. Those are actually helping to develop and protect a society, not to teach them how to cheat and use drugs when riding a bike, so if it was my call, cyclist would earn 1/10 of their salary.
well then football player should earn 1/1000 for he's sallary..or you thinking that football is clean sport?
No, i dont think so. And yeah, i would apply the same for all the sportsmen, but that is not on me, that is the call of invisible hand of the market.
Btw your post about fireman is so ridiculous i cant even commnent normally on it. I hope you have aq lot of cyclists with buckets around when the fire starts near your house.
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 16-06-2015 11:58
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
It is tough sport. If you ask me ..much harder and more demanding then being fireman or teacher.
Of course it is a tough sport, but without responsibilities for anyone bar you, when you put that other two jobs in discussion. Those are actually helping to develop and protect a society, not to teach them how to cheat and use drugs when riding a bike, so if it was my call, cyclist would earn 1/10 of their salary.
well then football player should earn 1/1000 for he's sallary..or you thinking that football is clean sport?
No, i dont think so. And yeah, i would apply the same for all the sportsmen, but that is not on me, that is the call of invisible hand of the market.
Btw your post about fireman is so ridiculous i cant even commnent normally on it. I hope you have aq lot of cyclists with buckets around when the fire starts near your house.
No need ..my father is fireman (really)..well is that irony |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 16-06-2015 12:01
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anyway ..that is candidate most silly debate on next pcm awards.
same time..who is deciding to concentrate on TdF after Giro, who is riding Dauphine..who is riding Suisse.
Kangert is racing at the small race in city where he started training with Taaramäe..
also Kirsipuu who still can not miss any race was in the line.
For me it is great when pro's deciding to take part of such event..hugh boost for young riders morale.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 16-06-2015 12:06
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Guido Mukk wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
It is tough sport. If you ask me ..much harder and more demanding then being fireman or teacher.
Of course it is a tough sport, but without responsibilities for anyone bar you, when you put that other two jobs in discussion. Those are actually helping to develop and protect a society, not to teach them how to cheat and use drugs when riding a bike, so if it was my call, cyclist would earn 1/10 of their salary.
well then football player should earn 1/1000 for he's sallary..or you thinking that football is clean sport?
No, i dont think so. And yeah, i would apply the same for all the sportsmen, but that is not on me, that is the call of invisible hand of the market.
Btw your post about fireman is so ridiculous i cant even commnent normally on it. I hope you have aq lot of cyclists with buckets around when the fire starts near your house.
No need ..my father is fireman (really)..well is that irony
Now that is really funny point
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| Movistar |
Posted on 17-06-2015 06:21
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
It is tough sport. If you ask me ..much harder and more demanding then being fireman or teacher.
Of course it is a tough sport, but without responsibilities for anyone bar you, when you put that other two jobs in discussion. Those are actually helping to develop and protect a society, not to teach them how to cheat and use drugs when riding a bike, so if it was my call, cyclist would earn 1/10 of their salary.
There also isnt a top fireman pay of 4 million euros after taxes per season.
My point stays the same. People enjoy watching cyclists and thus why they make money.
As has been pointed out in this page, they contribute nothing to society except entertainment and thus WE decide what they earn.
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| Movistar |
Posted on 17-06-2015 06:33
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Riders in the World Tour get paid very well.
And thus why I cant even continue to debate with these folks. They are fucking delusional.
First, I have seen people in this thread comparing a rider in the Giro to some guy on his Sunday ride not liking a downhill. Are we serious?
That is the same as comparing a sunday pickup game of soccer to the champions league and then asking why Messi doesnt ask for easier competition.
I just cant believe how crazy some of you folks are.
I love the sport but defending a guy who gets paid 6 figures + endorsements to RIDE A BIKE at his choice when he could do anything else in the world if he wanted to is just fucking crazy.
These comments about other tough jobs are even more hilarious. Do cops or firemen get to dictate how tough their job is? Do they even get to practice arresting or putting out the exact fire they will be dealing with a day later?
Why are you even catering to a garbage cyclist who is clearly making way more money than he deserves who even has the exact route he hates so much months before he has to ride it?
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| Movistar |
Posted on 17-06-2015 06:43
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Shonak wrote:
No point discussing anything with you really anymore, instead of discussing arguments you come up with petty insults.. Arn't you the guy who said that Tour Top 10 is bigger than a Vuelta win? Yes, you are. So much for the real world you live in. 
And has anyone said a single word about Horner since his win?
The fact is a top 10 in the Tour is worth much more than a Vuelta win. You dont just get to say things are wrong and make them true no matter how much you think you know more than others.
Nothing I have said is wrong and sorry I have to be a dick for others to even think about it.
Keep imagining how important that 12th Vuelta MT finish is to anyone besides the Spanish and 10 other folks.
This is coming from a guy who loves watching the race as I have stated before.
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| trekbmc |
Posted on 17-06-2015 06:47
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Movistar wrote:
Shonak wrote:
No point discussing anything with you really anymore, instead of discussing arguments you come up with petty insults.. Arn't you the guy who said that Tour Top 10 is bigger than a Vuelta win? Yes, you are. So much for the real world you live in.
And has anyone said a single word about Horner since his win?
The fact is a top 10 in the Tour is worth much more than a Vuelta win. You dont just get to say things are wrong and make them true no matter how much you think you know more than others.
Nothing I have said is wrong and sorry I have to be a dick for others to even think about it.
Keep imagining how important that 12th Vuelta MT finish is to anyone besides the Spanish and 10 other folks.
This is coming from a guy who loves watching the race as I have stated before.
And how much do you hear about Zubeldia every year, less than Horner and what about Kenny Ellisonde's win in Andorra or Barguil's stage wins in 2013? That showed their talent.
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| Kiserlovski01 |
Posted on 17-06-2015 12:47
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Anyone has a clue why Milano - Sanremo is the latest race of Alessandro De Marchi? |
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 17-06-2015 13:00
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I guess sick/injury.
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| Kiserlovski01 |
Posted on 17-06-2015 13:08
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Thanks Alak  |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 17-06-2015 13:22
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Movistar wrote:
Shonak wrote:
No point discussing anything with you really anymore, instead of discussing arguments you come up with petty insults.. Arn't you the guy who said that Tour Top 10 is bigger than a Vuelta win? Yes, you are. So much for the real world you live in.
And has anyone said a single word about Horner since his win?
The fact is a top 10 in the Tour is worth much more than a Vuelta win. You dont just get to say things are wrong and make them true no matter how much you think you know more than others.
Nothing I have said is wrong and sorry I have to be a dick for others to even think about it.
Keep imagining how important that 12th Vuelta MT finish is to anyone besides the Spanish and 10 other folks.
This is coming from a guy who loves watching the race as I have stated before.
EVERYBODY was talking about Horner and thats the only reason he still gets mentioned was because of that Vuelta win.
I also don't understand the justification for being a "dick" It doesn't help get your point across at all, in fact it does the opposite and turns people away from whatever point you are trying to make. A well structured argument/debate works but being a dick does not.
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| Wilier |
Posted on 17-06-2015 13:41
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A top 10 in the Tour is worth more than a Vuelta win? There's no way that a 9th or 10th place in the TdF are equal to a Vuelta win.
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 17-06-2015 15:16
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Gilbert out of the Tour de France.
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