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2015 Giro d'Italia - Week Three (24th - 31st May)
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 24-05-2015 23:07
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gotlandrules wrote:
So much exaggerations on Aru, calling him weak and done because he loses 1 second on Contador up a climb, lol.... He wont win unless Contador has some problems (crash, mechanical, bad day) but he is still clearly the second best rider in this Giro...
But he did look weak there, I don't think anybody thinks Aru isn't the 2nd best rider at this years Giro but there is no hiding the fact that he did not look strong today
So I am the only one who thinks that Landa is better? If Astana had focused on him from the start, he would still be behind Aru atm, but he seems better in the Mountains to me.
Yeaah he is great climber..but when he looses 4 min to Contador at TT there is no reason for obvious support as team leader. He is getting he's Aru beating climbing result part of it that Bertie is following Aru moves. Yeaah he has a bit better acceleration then Aru at the mountains.
I do not see any reason that Astana should have preferred Landa against Aru from start. Aru as been quite annoying stabile at he's last GT's (like Nibbles).
This is like forum member Roman czech talk that König should have been always better leader for Sky. Like he was angry 2 years ago..at TdF why Kreuziger is not team leader when he is waiting Contador.
You need to earn your leader role. It takes time..specially in big teams like Astana or Sky. Or if you are same team with Contador. |
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| gotlandrules |
Posted on 24-05-2015 23:11
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Astana could maybe have put more pressure on Contador, but honestly, the mountains just wasn't that tough (first 2 weeks) to make much more of it then they did. Astanas tactics haven't been perfect, but they have been good and they have a great shot at getting 2 riders on the podium because of it.
Contador has had alot of problems so far and his team is getting weaker by the day, if Astana keeps destroying his team there is always the chance he gets in trouble without a teammate with him, that's the chance Astana has...
They should keep riding like they did today and they will probably have 2 riders on the podium and if they are lucky the win it. Neither Aru or Landa are strong enough to straight up beat Contador this Giro, some people on here seems to think Landa could beat Contador if Astana had better tactics, that's just bullshit, if Landa was ever a threat then Contador would just have marked him.
Edited by gotlandrules on 24-05-2015 23:21
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 24-05-2015 23:24
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x2 to Gotland.. guy.
Maybe some mad 40km. attack for Landa can change a situation. But also Astana would like to finish 2 riders in podium.
About Tinkoff team...this is what you get when you wasting your team at first week..I really hope that this was not Oleg personal tactics.
Oleg is lucky to have Contador ..he is total GT ace and absolute pleasure to watch when he is focused and in form. |
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| Movistar |
Posted on 25-05-2015 00:14
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So Astana thinks that if Tiralongo doesnt try to win people wont notice he is the most doped rider in the pelaton? Holy shit.
Edited by Movistar on 25-05-2015 00:14
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| gotlandrules |
Posted on 25-05-2015 01:11
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Movistar wrote:
So Astana thinks that if Tiralongo doesnt try to win people wont notice he is the most doped rider in the pelaton? Holy shit.
I bet you think Visconti is so much more believable, right?  |
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| Movistar |
Posted on 25-05-2015 01:53
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gotlandrules wrote:
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So Astana thinks that if Tiralongo doesnt try to win people wont notice he is the most doped rider in the pelaton? Holy shit.
I bet you think Visconti is so much more believable, right?
Read my prior posts, the name is a joke really.
I have a pretty diverse taste in riders and besides being American really dont hate guys who have doped or may be doping.
I think shit like this is sad though. |
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| gotlandrules |
Posted on 25-05-2015 02:43
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Movistar wrote:
gotlandrules wrote:
Movistar wrote:
So Astana thinks that if Tiralongo doesnt try to win people wont notice he is the most doped rider in the pelaton? Holy shit.
I bet you think Visconti is so much more believable, right?
Read my prior posts, the name is a joke really.
I have a pretty diverse taste in riders and besides being American really dont hate guys who have doped or may be doping.
I think shit like this is sad though.
Even if you don't care for Movistar the point and my question still stands... Calling out one rider is just dumb and/or naive... |
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| Gino_Bartali |
Posted on 25-05-2015 06:58
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Landa would really deserve co-leadership with Aru now. He"s only 2 mins down on Aru and should be allowed to fight for 2nd spot in GC. Additionally he could get the mountains jersey |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 25-05-2015 07:43
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König surely has a chance to be on the podium in Milan, he is great 3rd week rider. But i am not sure if i should be happy, or pissed because of team he rides for. 
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| DiCyc |
Posted on 25-05-2015 07:53
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Landa looks stronger than Aru right now... |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 25-05-2015 08:52
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Ollfardh wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
Fantastic stage again.
For me, Contador is the only true GT rider of this generation.
Perhaps also Nibali, but he's not as good as Contador, I believe.
Nibali has never beaten Contador in a GT, although it needs to be said they haven't fought it out until the end since Contador's doping suspension. Still, I don't see NIbali beating him, even this year after Contador has already done the Giro, I still see him finishing off Nibbles in Le Tour.
Yeah, I don't think Nibali could beat Contador, too  . Let me clarify what I mean:
Contador is a true GT contender in that sense that if he starts a GT, any GT, he will fight for a podium spot at the least.
Look at Cobo, Froome, Wiggins, Horner...
These are all GT winners, but at another GT they don't even manage to finish, or end on an obscure place or whatever.
Contador is a true GT contender, not just a one-GT-fly. And I think he's the only one of this generation, alongside perhaps Nibali (who always fights for a podium, too).
Hope you see my point
EDIT: Though you see Contador finishing of Nibali on the cobbles in the Tour, Did you see last year's cobbled stage? 
Edited by Ian Butler on 25-05-2015 08:53
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| Shonak |
Posted on 25-05-2015 10:00
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
König surely has a chance to be on the podium in Milan, he is great 3rd week rider. But i am not sure if i should be happy, or pissed because of team he rides for.
Happy. Just be happy. Cycling isn't football. We are fans of riders, not of teams.
König podium would be massive for czech cycling. Same goes for Landa & basque cycling or Amador and... costa rican cycling. 
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| Smowz |
Posted on 25-05-2015 10:00
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Sorry guys but I have serious doubts about Contador beating a rested Nibali, Froome, Quintana at this years tour. Those three are a category above Aru, Porte and certainly several categories above Amador, Landa, Konig.
Conta was impressive in Saturday's TT, other than that he hasn't looked any better than Nibali's dominant 2013 Giro when it comes to climbing. He may be trying to ride conservatively trying to save himself, but I was a little surprised he didn't go on to win yesterday's stage having watched it. I mean what was he waiting for at the end there, he had dropped Aru and just had Landa. He held back as he had Landa with him and Landa won anyway whilst he gained the odd second on Aru.
Not going to disagree that Contador is a very exciting rider, but Nibali showed at last years Tour (which Contador got injured in) and the 2013 Giro that at top form he is very impressive, while he builds form slower in prep races. Nibali when it comes to GTs usually gives it a great shot, likewise Quintana and even Froome.
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| Shonak |
Posted on 25-05-2015 10:20
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Porte abandons
https://www.cyclin...ro-ditalia
“I’ve had a lot of back luck this week with the puncture and the time penalty, but it was the crash on Friday that has taken its toll.
“I fell heavily on my knee and hip which caused me a lot of pain on Saturday’s time trail and yesterday’s stage. I just wanted to keep trying and give it everything but now the medical team have advised me not to continue.
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| Ybodonk |
Posted on 25-05-2015 11:15
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Nibali is one heck of a rider. But to compare him to Contador is just riddiculous. Nothing in both of Their entire careers ever pointer to nibali beating Contador.
Nibalis GT wins has never been against the elite GT riders at the time.
Giro 2013, he beat an old Evans and uran? Vuelta 2013 he couldnt even beat horner, both of them being doped to their ears.
Tour 2014 is the weakest GT finishing top 10 for the past 20 years or more.
Nibali beating: Peraud, Pinaut, burned out Valverde, Bardet etc.
So no, when they all have been in form nibali has never been able to follow Contador froome or quintana on the climbings. Hes the 4th best GT rider period |
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| Cesco |
Posted on 25-05-2015 11:34
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Ybodonk wrote:
Nibali is one heck of a rider. But to compare him to Contador is just riddiculous. Nothing in both of Their entire careers ever pointer to nibali beating Contador.
Nibalis GT wins has never been against the elite GT riders at the time.
Giro 2013, he beat an old Evans and uran? Vuelta 2013 he couldnt even beat horner, both of them being doped to their ears.
Tour 2014 is the weakest GT finishing top 10 for the past 20 years or more.
Nibali beating: Peraud, Pinaut, burned out Valverde, Bardet etc.
So no, when they all have been in form nibali has never been able to follow Contador froome or quintana on the climbings. Hes the 4th best GT rider period
I'll remind you as well of the fact that A. Contador was a dopist and one in denial in fact.. "0,0000000000008%. He sounded like a junky not admitting his addiction.
And since he wás caught he has won significant less since then..
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 25-05-2015 11:55
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Poor old Nibbles. Hasn't raced against Froome in a GT for 3 years (Tour 2014 doesn't count obviously), Contador for 4, and Quintana never. This means that its very hard to compare him to the other three, who have raced against each other a bit more recently in a GT, so people just say, well, he must be worse because the people he beat were worse, which doesn't make any sense at all. Yes, the 2014 Tour field was unusually weak, but he absolutely destroyed everyone and posted similarly impressive W/kg numbers as Froome in 2013, which is quite a feat. I just pray that the lunacy of the route design of this year's Tour doesn't destroy the opportunity of getting to see these four riders battle it out head to head, but I'm really not confident. In fact, I'm 99% certain that by the time the Pyrenees arrive at least two of them will be out of the race, either injured or having lost time.
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| Shonak |
Posted on 25-05-2015 12:49
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Smowz wrote:
Sorry guys but I have serious doubts about Contador beating a rested Nibali, Froome, Quintana at this years tour. Those three are a category above Aru, Porte and certainly several categories above Amador, Landa, Konig.
That's actually much to his favor, the weakened competition. If he had to ride against a full-on Porte close to Froome level and against TT machine Uran Uran, he'd have to dig much deeper. Right now, Giro has gone - crashes aside - pretty much perfect for Contador. Astana look comfortable taking over relay duties, Landa is too far down, Aru is lacking the last percent to outclimb Bertie.
Contador is obviously not in peak shape, otherwise he'd trench the entire peloton. But he's close and he's riding superb. That has been the plan for the double all along and it's going great so far. 
He can't ride the Giro like he did in 2011 when he blasted up Etna for example.
Maybe tomorrow he'll impress you though. Mortirolo has a section named after him, it'd be awkward if he'd just ride it up in a normal way.
Edited by Shonak on 25-05-2015 12:55
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| Shonak |
Posted on 25-05-2015 13:01
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Cesco wrote:
And since he wás caught he has won significant less since then..[/color][/b]
lol Check your facts, 2014 has been one of his most successful years point- and performance-wise.
Edited by Shonak on 25-05-2015 13:02
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 25-05-2015 13:04
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Stromeon wrote:
Poor old Nibbles. Hasn't raced against Froome in a GT for 3 years (Tour 2014 doesn't count obviously), Contador for 4, and Quintana never. This means that its very hard to compare him to the other three, who have raced against each other a bit more recently in a GT, so people just say, well, he must be worse because the people he beat were worse, which doesn't make any sense at all. Yes, the 2014 Tour field was unusually weak, but he absolutely destroyed everyone and posted similarly impressive W/kg numbers as Froome in 2013, which is quite a feat. I just pray that the lunacy of the route design of this year's Tour doesn't destroy the opportunity of getting to see these four riders battle it out head to head, but I'm really not confident. In fact, I'm 99% certain that by the time the Pyrenees arrive at least two of them will be out of the race, either injured or having lost time.
Agree about Nibali. No way Contador would have won the Tour last year hadn't he crashed out.
Plus being able to avoid crashes/injuries, sickness and stupid time losses is a skill aswell and very important for GT contenders. Nibali clearly excels at this part. Don't think he has been outside of the podium in any GT he's started since 2009 except the 2011 Vuelta where he still was best rider coming from Giro.
In fact Nibali has finished every GT he's started. Quite impressive feat.
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