One of the top Brazilians atm by the looks if it, he must be to be selected for the World champs. He is more of an aggressive rider looking at the results (made a successful breakaway in San Luis 2014), has claimed many stage wins in South America, mostly on hilly terrain. However, he is also one of the top TT riders we can enter the Man Game who is from Brazil, regularly peppering the top 20 with TT results in harder terrains and even has a few top 5's and top 10's in some of the most sought after TT races in South America.
Feel there is a need for a decent SA sprinter who can cope well with the hills/mountains. From 2012 he took a hatful of sprint wins at the Vuelta de Chile (constantly besting the likes of Rangel/Lobato). In the same year he also finished in the top 10 at San Luis in the GC, with a field including the likes of Leipheimer.
Already one of the top stage race riders in Brazil. Constantly appearing in the top 5 in stage race GCs, decent against the clock but solid uphill. Has beaten the likes of Nazaret and Sevilla multiple times in the biggest races in Brazil. In need of an update, maybe pot 6 so Brazil will have some more quality riders right up there.
Already in the database but definitely in need of a big update as it looks like he is one of the very top riders in Uruguay. While he looks good all round, he looks best against the clock. Has won TTs and finished in the top 10 in a TT in the Pan-American games.
Already in the database, but with stats no one would touch with a bargepole. His best results come in the harder sprint stages. Has a top 10 in Pan-American championships, good results in races such as Ruta American del Sur.
Definitely looks to be a sprinter. Had a fifth place in the last NC, which was contested by the top Brazilian rouleurs in addition to multiple placings in stages won by the likes of Chammoro. Could be a decent climber as he picked up multiple KOM points in multiple races!
The last one to be added looks to be the best one we can add. Taken a few stage wins in SA, there or thereabouts in a number of GCs and finished fourth in 2014 on the mountainous stage of San Luis only '9 down on the stage winner above the likes of Quintana. Can go well against the clock, as evident by multiple top 10s including an NC top 10. Looks to have a decent sprint as well as he has been in the placings in bunch sprints and finished 2nd in the 2011 NC only to Murilo Fischer.
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That is all I will put forth, would put more forward but I'm not sure that anyone from 1981 and before would be added even though many of elite from nations like Brazil are of that age. Of course there will be no objections from me, e.g., if I didn't rate them high enough and they are changed. Hope it isn't all a waste!
Not a waste at all The Rider, most of them can probably go straight in with few changes.
It still may be the case that young talents are skipped for this season, so no additions of anyone born in 1992 or later, except perhaps one or two. And those are all 1991 at the latest, so they're perfect!
Hopefully it's not too late and these are in a useable format, there's also some small errors I've noticed in the DB mentioned as I wasn't sure where to put them, some of the stats might be off as I'm not very good at suggesting them.
Being a Sammarinese team it would be nice to get a couple of new Sammarinese riders into the DB, there’s very little on either of them, only how they did in the 2013 NC, which according to CQ Ranking was raced over 5 rounds, but unfortunately there’s no mention of profiles so I can’t make any sort of guess as to what kind of riders they would be but I’d prefer it if they were both Hilly riders and with the defining feature of the country being Monte Titano which despite the name is more like a big hill then a mountain I don’t think it’s unrealistic to think that hills could be their speciality.
The first of the 2 Sammarinese riders I’d propose adding is the winner of the NC title Luca Forcellini, 05/03/1990, being the winner of the NC title he should be the better of the 2. I know the stats I’ve given him are higher then what he deserves compared to the wider cycling world but I would like a useful Sammarinese rider that could be a CT leader or a decent PCT Domestique.
The second rider is Davide Baiesi, 29/01/1987, Having finished 5th in the Sammarinese NC he would definitely be the weaker of the 2 and I’d like him to be a domestique for my team. Considering he’d be 27/28 I think it’s fair to say he’d probably already be maxed, if he is indeed a hilly rider then I’d like his Hill stat to be 71-73.
Others have already highlighted this young Austrian Free Agent and his need for a stat update. I’ve not got much to add to what has previously been said other then to add my name to the list of those that think a stat update for him is well deserved. I’ve not suggested updated stats for him because Alakagom already has and he’s probably in a better position to judge.
This South Korean who was 4th in the national championships (2013), and won a stage in both the Tour of Thailand and the Tour de Filipinas; previously he’s come 12th at the Tour de Korea (2010) after podiuming 2 stages and came 34th in 2012’s Japan Cup. It looks like he’d probably be classed as a sprinter. In 2014 his only notable result is 17th at the Tour of Thailand, which included taking a stage win as the strongest from the break. He’s got 2 points Jersey top 10’s in 2014 so is likely a sprinter.
Rider 1212 is a duplicate of Mark Dzamastagic (5711 at Pokerstars with a higher XP level and potential)
Rider 1517 Andzs Flaksis of Wikipedia has the wrong DOB. His age matches up with Tom Flaksis but has the wrong month and Day, and the real Andzs Flaksis is 3 years younger. Not sure how you want to fix that so I’ll link to both riders PCS profiles.
Lucas Manuel Gaday Orozco, alternatively known as Lucas Gaday. 20/02/1993
Depending on your sources this young Argentinian sprinter goes by either name. He doesn’t have that many results to his name but some of them seem fairly strong, for example finishing 14th on the opening stage of the 2014 Tour de San Luis, on his way to third in the youth competition there, finishing 12th in the 1.1 ranked 2013 Vuelta ciclista a la Rioja, 2nd in the 2014 Argentinian U23 RR and finishing 6th and 3rd on 2 of the stages from the 2014 Tour of Szerkeland, and subsequently doing enough for second in the points classification at that race. He also picked up 12th in this year’s Giro della Reggione Friuli. Should probably be level 1 or 2.
2014 Uzbekistani U23 National TT champion, 3rd on the opening stage of the Tour of Vietnam 2012, winner of the opening stage of the 2012 Banyuwangi Tour de Ijen, was 9th on the third stage and was 2nd on points in the 3 stage Indonesian race. He also finished 4th in the Uzbekistani Elite RR in 2014. His older results suggest he likes to attack and can handle hills, especially if he’s been in the break. He should have a decent sprint so he can compete with breakaway companions but it doesn’t look like he’s got enough to compete on flat stages, maybe the man before the leadout guy.
3rd in the Uzbekistani TT championships is pretty much as good as it’s got for this 23 year old, apart from that he’s got a few top 30’s in stages in small Asian races, he was the national U23 TT champion last year. His results don’t really suggest he’s got that great potential but he could be added to replace any Uzbekistani riders that are set to drop out of the DB.
All I can find on him for 2014 is that he DNF’d the NC, but in 2013 he was the Korean National RR champion, and was runner up on a stage of both the Tour de Korea and Tour de Langkawi, both of which appear to be hilly stages.
This young rider was a Stagiare for Europcar in the 2014 season and during that time he finished 16th and Binche Tournai Binche. Earlier in the year he was 6th on GC at Paris Arras Tour, where his team finished second on the opening TTT and he was 12th GC at the Tour de Bretagne, including a top 10 on stage 4. From what I can tell this Frenchman is possibly the most talented cyclist to come from French Polynesia in recent years, originating from Tahiti. Despite being a Frenchmen it could be interesting to have him in as his birth nationality as a Tahitian rider would be a nice unique addition to the DB.
This 20 year old Azerbaijani rider won his Senior NC last season and came third this year, with 2nd in this year’s TT after 4th last season. Other results include 14th at the Melaka, governor’s cup and a stage win at the Jelajah Malaysia last year. In 2014 he was 4th in the KOM and 20th GC at the GP Sochi, 8th in youth and 16th in the KOM at the Sibiu Cycling Tour, 18th at the Tour Bohemia, he got a top 10 on a stage of the Hainan Tour and 12th on GC and 3rd in youth at the Tour of Taihu Lake. Despite the majority of his calendar being in Europe he’s got his better results in Asia at the end of the year in sprint stages.
Rider ID 8087: Nur Amiraul Mazuki is down as a European Malaysian.
Rider ID 718: Ryan Gibbens is a South African European.
Rider ID 7778: Dimitriy Gruzdev is down as a North American Kazakh.
Rider ID 7808: Nathan Wilson is down as a South American from the USA.
Surname
First name
Fl
Mo
Hl
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Cb
Sp
Ac
Ft
Dh
Pl
Nat.
Cont.
XP Level
XP Points
D
M
Year
Pot
Forcellini
Luca
65
70
76
67
70
65
70
52
61
72
58
57
59
SMR
EU
4
100
5
3
1990
4
Baiesi
Davide
62
68
72
65
66
62
68
53
57
63
67
65
59
SMR
EU
4
100
29
1
1987
3
Lee
Ki Seok
70
54
59
50
71
62
69
52
76
78
77
66
55
KOR
AS
4
100
28
9
1988
4
Gaday Orozco
Lucas Manuel
72
65
68
62
68
69
72
55
79
77
63
62
59
ARG
SA
4
100
20
2
1993
4
Shaymanov
Denis
70
65
70
73
67
68
67
52
73
77
76
65
72
UZB
AS
4
100
2
6
1992
4
Gorbachev
Gleb
69
61
65
70
65
66
68
55
52
56
69
62
61
UZB
AS
4
100
5
4
1991
2
Jung
Ji Min
67
70
73
65
68
64
67
57
59
70
68
67
67
KOR
AS
4
100
2
8
1991
4
Jambrayilov
Samir
75
62
68
73
75
72
74
55
77
76
58
69
64
AZE
EU
4
100
7
9
1994
4
EDIT: I'd appreciate it if Rider 1120 Mohammed Zamri Salleh and Rider 8024 Mohammed Harrif Salleh could have their short names (used in startlist Screenshots, in previews and reports and during the race) changed to M.Z.Salleh and M.H.Salleh as having them both as M.Salleh this season was a little confusing, this will likely be even worse if I send both to the same race and one of them gets in the break as there won't be any way of knowing which one unless this is changed.
Edited by sammyt93 on 07-03-2015 21:11
Another 1991 talent from the Netherlands. Quite similar to Eising, who was suggested by Jesleyh actually. Weaker sprint though and a bit better all around eventually.
He could be a good domestique on many terrains, in especially cobbles I guess.
Having too many good riders or too few riders is not good for the game, but as players we do like to see new talents every year. Here is an idea that I am not sure has ever been considered.
All riders not yet maxed out (Lvl 4/100) would have Potential ratings adjusted based on results prior to each season.
I am not sure if we should use real life or ManGame results to modify the developing riders potential. Using real Life results would add a level of realism to the process and it would self-limit the number of stars each year. Using ManGame results would add a new level of play for our managers. No longer would younger players be fodder to fill out race day rosters. Managers would be looking to find ways that they could be successful. I would think we could develop a formula for adjusting Potential.
I personally do not care that ManGame stars are different from real life stars. The more decisions we create for the ManGame managers the better the game will become.
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Editor of the Cobbler
I would be massively against that idea IMO not sure what others think but I wouldn't enjoy all the debates before every season of this example
My rider had a 3rd at ****** so deserves a pot 6,
when no one looked at said rider last year and suddenly he's worth a stupid amount.
No matter how you do it someone is going to be pissed off about it as there riders go backwards and someone else suddenly has a world beater out of nowhere.
The basic idea, I don’t like. It sounds like a lot of extra work that won’t give any extra depth to the game.
The rider development is however, a very rigid system. It is hard to see how it could be improved, but it is still a little boring that you can basically tell how a rider will end up when he is at 1.00.
What I think COULD be interesting was if you could gain bonuses to your development based on achievements. Like winning a C2 GC with a level 1 rider will give the rider two extra skill points for the lowest stat. Or winning a GT-stage will give the rider an extra point for the stat of the managers choosing.
It might be a little RPG-ish, but I think there could be something interesting to gain from it.
What you are saying is true it would add work each season. I do not agree that the results would be random. The alterations would be based on results either in real life or most likely from the ManGame results.
I also do not agree that it would just make the top prospects better. Some of them would drop. Basing the changes on results becomes self limiting. Only so many riders can get good results so only so many riders can get High Potential.
I also think my suggestion is unlikely to be added, but I put it on the table to see what comes of it. It may prompt another idea that is better.
The current rider development system is linear and predetermined the moment a new rider is created. That is the reason 5 or 6 new riders each season demand so much attention and investment. If we can find a way to make the system less rigid, then more speculation would be involved and less focus would go on those high potential riders.
========================================= Team Manager of AMEX - Navigon
Editor of the Cobbler
I like how we now can plan long term based on riders we know will be good. I signed riders like Zabel and Zepuntke 4 years ago (in June) and it's been a game in the game for me to plan and see their development. If this would be down to random (PCM AI = random) it would ruin a lot of the longterm planning that I love with this game.
I agree with you that the actual system is very linear and easy to predict. But therefore lower amount of work on them in future.
But in especially with your first part, you somehow disagree yourself.
What you are saying is true it would add work each season. I do not agree that the results would be random. The alterations would be based on results either in real life or most likely from the ManGame results.
Having them MG related it would be horribly random imo. Some teams seem to join breakaways more often than others. At least my experience. It`s not really about, who has no leader as often we saw those teams with a big leader also in there, while those without any, won`t. So tough to say, how breakaway AI works. And a level 1 or 2 rider will hardly be considered to be successful as it is pure luck if he joins a breakaway and then succeed there. Many riders will eventually never join there, while others (and just a very few) will be strong on level 1-2 already. Herklotz and Edmondson are the only riders I can remember without checking too much. First is already a star and by your idea, he would improve even more. Second is a decent rider but far from a star in any division when maxed. So he could actually take profit by the idea.
But most others would probably lose and end quite weak in the end as they won`t get any results until level 4.
One thing that is already within the game is the wage. While most talents get a 50-100k wage, the stars will already get 300k and more. So there is some kind of differention this way.
The only real thing that could make sense, would be to add the Avenir performance as this is the only race, where the talents might get to show their potential properly. Then again also there it`s usual only the big stars.
And not sure how you plan to do this exactly. But I think adding 1-2 stats with every win an unmaxed rider gets, this would not work very well. It might work for level 1-3 riders, that win. But how would this work the other way? All riders that don`t win lose a point? This would ruin a lot of fun of the game as you eventually paid big on a rider to just lose a lot in 2 seasons on him due to the AI deciding to never send him into the breakaway.
Real life results also might work not that good. You will get some of those huge talents, that score valuable very young like Sagan, Wellens or Yates in their first or second year. So those would become too strong in the MG as they usually already come with strong stats when they max.
Then there are those, that look promising but not immediately score. For example Formolo, Villella, Moser etc. They come with decent stats into the game and could become valuable later. But it`s hard to predict, how good they get in real. And even after 2-3 real life seasons it`s not 100% sure yet. Some riders just need like 5-8 seasons until they start to really deliver. And then you would have a weaker version of a rider when maxed and the real version starts to score big. And as the MG is fantasy, I would not make real life results influence it except for the start stats.
We probably can consider some changes there. But probably only starting for the 2016 season due to the short time now. But I think this idea, is hard to get into the MG due to the AI making it too unpredictable, which is worse than having a linear system. And with different training types it`s less linear than it could be. In especially those allrounders are often trained different by different managers. Same for classic or hilly trainings.
While few if any of us feel the PCM AI is really good, it is what we have as the core of our teams success. It is what it is, until we get a version of the game that allows us to input race strategies.
I guess that we will have to agree to disagree on the randomness concern. Riders that win out of a breakaway often have some skill that helps them win. A strong fighter score, or Stamina, just getting into a breakaway is not cause for expecting success. As an example one of my young riders Jan Dieteren won an HC level race as a level 3 rider this season. Was it luck he won?
In my opinion it was not totally luck. First Dieteren's Fighter rating was 77, and a bigger factor was that there were 2 PCT Hilly Classic on the same day, so the talent was split. So was his win a good performance - Yes I think it was. The race quality was lower than normal, but Dieteren got in the break and he held on.
If you still do not agree his performance was a good one, then maybe turning the coin over will give some insight. If Dieteren should not have won was he to blame or should the riders in the peleton be blamed for not having the skill to ride the break down..
Food for thought anyway!
========================================= Team Manager of AMEX - Navigon
Editor of the Cobbler
It's always luck when a breakaway wins a classic Add to that the luck that your team went into the breakaway, and the luck that that particular rider was chosen by the game to be your team's representative.
I have no intention of adding any randomness into the stat increase system.
OK, I've been wading through a lot of minor races on the UCI calendar, and have come across a few riders that could do with a stats bump (generally, currently totally useless, can progress to being useful to teams in PCT/CT level), and a few noobs.
Spoiler
In particular I am highly taken with the 'Grand Tour of Algeria' currently ongoing constructed of multiple stage races and one-day races bundled together to make a 'GT', twitter #GTAC2015 - looks like a brilliant concept. However, off-the-back of this, I have consciously avoided throwing forward a raft of new young African riders emerging in races this early season in line with previous discussions around introducing riders once a little more depth to palmares, and more towards 22/23 yo in general.
So, in two batches, suggested upgrades first (all maxed stats proposed as requested, and in line with previous discussion, generally very average potentials - none of these guys are superstars ):
Stephane Rossettohttps://www.procyclingstats.com/rider/...e_Rossetto
Put forward by a few others, and although deserving of a bump, thing what I have proposed is more in line with his palmares - competent TTist, no major weaknesses, good CT level rider or PCT domestique.
Clovis Kamzonghttps://www.procyclingstats.com/rider/...g_Abessolo
Just won the 7-day Tour du Cameroun including 2 stages. Also other strong GC and 1-day performances in African races over last couple of seasons. Seems to slip down to mid-pack fodder in stronger fields (e.g. La Tropicale Amissa Bongo), so have pitched him to max out as again a decent CT rider, acceptable PCT dom.
Rasmane Ouedraogohttps://www.procyclingstats.com/rider/..._Ouedraogo
2nd in Tour du Cameroun, mixed bag palmares with occassional highlight over last 2-3 season. Given his age a reasonable addition. Again I have pitched as a reasonable all-rounder of use to teams in the lower divisions.
Edwin Avilahttps://www.procyclingstats.com/rider/...dwin_Avila
This one is driven by personal interest, so I understand if this one is knocked back. I really wanted to sign Avila last season, but even when maxed, he will still be of absoultely minimal use (I can't see a PT team would be willing to take on loan to get from 4 -> 4,100). I have proposed some minor changes to his mtn and TT instead of making him a better sprinter, not trying to create a monster. He has made it rould a GT, so current 54 for mtn really seems unfair - this will at least make him not so handicapped! He is also last years points race world champion on the track, so full of talent.
Now new riders, again, all maxed stats proposed with appropriate xp:
Peters
Alex
67
70
73
61
69
72
72
55
63
72
69
67
65
GBR
EU
3
0
31
3
1994
4
Roglič
Primož
70
65
70
65
69
65
65
60
71
71
69
65
66
SLO
EU
4
0
28
10
1989
3
Mygind
Rasmus
71
66
73
65
67
67
68
60
66
68
66
66
63
DEN
EU
2
0
8
5
1989
4
Osorio
Danny
68
75
73
70
70
68
74
55
55
67
62
68
67
COL
SA
4
100
24
6
1986
4
Quintero
Carlos
73
69
68
73
74
73
71
60
74
72
73
65
69
COL
SA
4
100
5
3
1986
4
Chinello
Fabio
73
58
69
65
68
67
64
60
76
74
62
63
67
ITA
EU
4
100
2
2
1989
3
Baz
Nabil
67
75
71
62
69
71
69
64
66
70
68
69
60
ALG
AF
4
0
6
6
1987
4
Alex Petershttps://www.procyclingstats.com/rider/...lex_Peters
The only real youngster proposed - steady British rider who has been on continental teams since turning senior. Gets round UCI races competently (2nd at 2014 Ras a stand-out), and good results at domestic level. Hard to see him suddenly jumping to being a TdeF rider, but should have a steady career. Pitched towards CT Man-Game level.
Primož Rogličhttps://www.procyclingstats.com/rider/...moz_Roglic
Lots of decent places in smaller *.2 races all round Europe. Enough experience to be introduced closed to (or even if preferred) maxed. Another competent all-rounder.
Rasmus Mygindhttps://www.procyclingstats.com/rider/...mus_Mygind
Had a decent CT level 2014 season with a stad-out 2nd GC ride at Tour du Loir et Cher E Provost built upon his presence in a breakaway on an undulating day. Backed up by some decent 1-day racing in Italian semi-classics and top 10's in the Norwgian 1-day UCI races.
Danny Osoriohttps://www.procyclingstats.com/rider/...nny_Osorio
Steady GC man on the SA circuit. 6th in Vuelta Colombia last year is backed up by two top 5 overall finishes in the RCN Classic (not UCI anymore, but still has all the major SA based riders for the 10 days of racing, Soliz, Sevilla, Alex Cano, etc.). At 29, not expecting to see him ever make the jump to a European team, but he keeps those old warriors of SA stage-racing honest (e.g. I notice folks like Felix Cardenas, Victor Nino and Victor Hugo Pena all still doing the rounds well into their 40's!)
Carlos Quinterohttps://www.procyclingstats.com/rider/...s_Quintero
Steady Team Colombia domestique. Pops up in breakaways a lot, and this has recently brought his most eye-catching achievement, the KoM jersey at Tirreno-Adratico. Has a GT under his belt. Seems to keep his place on the squad as a breakaway specialist, flat domestique with a bit of sprinting (Colombian, not world level!, so some top 10's). As SA lacks many 'flat' type riders, have proposed he helps fill that gap. At 29 he is unlikely to improve further, so porposing all-ready maxed out.
Fabio Chinellohttps://www.procyclingstats.com/rider/...o_Chinello
Emerged on the Italian scene last year as a decent sprinting talent. Seems to be there or there abouts on those days where a reduced bunch-sprint occurs, so gets over the hills OK. Nice run of top 5 results through the late summer in 2014. Again, as CT/PCT level appropriate, have not gone overboard with his sprint, but compensated by getting over hills competently (for a sprint-focussed rider).
Nabil Bazhttps://www.procyclingstats.com/rider/.../nabil_Baz
A steady 2013 season on the African circuit was followed by a very poor 2014. This season though has finished 2nd and 1st overall in the two stage race components of the GT of Algeria currently completed - tough parcours with long hills/mountains of up to 20km reported. Been on what looks like the national team in Algeria registered as UCI CT sponsored by various entities.
ENDS (at last!)
Edited by Scorchio on 21-03-2015 13:24
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