Avin Wargunnson wrote:
What do you expect with France and UK overcrowded with immigrants, who are not even keen to behave under respective states law? I have no problem with immigrants, but as i spoke to lot of British people from the countryside especially during my part-time job there three years ago, it does not surprise me...immigration is now main topic and these parties offer the solution (worrifying for those of us, who have no problem with mixing of the cultures).
If you've ever been to the British countryside, you'll realise that there are fuck-all immigrants there - people are whipped up into a lather over nothing at all. Pretty much all immigration is into the cities and, of course, immigrants are net contributors to the country. Britain's issue with overcrowding is to do with building restrictions and no replacement of the social housing stock.
I know Wacko, still almost every single person i met at countryside (northeast of London, near Norwich and surroundings) hated immigrants and blamed them for everything bad that is happening to the country. It is fair to say that majority of them did not look like having big brain capacity, but they have the vote too.
At one side, i dont like these fascism right wing tendencies at all, but other side are real problems with islamic communities around the world, especially their law above the laws. It would be silly to deny that completely...
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
What do you expect with France and UK overcrowded with immigrants, who are not even keen to behave under respective states law? I have no problem with immigrants, but as i spoke to lot of British people from the countryside especially during my part-time job there three years ago, it does not surprise me...immigration is now main topic and these parties offer the solution (worrifying for those of us, who have no problem with mixing of the cultures).
If you've ever been to the British countryside, you'll realise that there are fuck-all immigrants there - people are whipped up into a lather over nothing at all. Pretty much all immigration is into the cities and, of course, immigrants are net contributors to the country. Britain's issue with overcrowding is to do with building restrictions and no replacement of the social housing stock.
I know Wacko, still almost every single person i met at countryside (northeast of London, near Norwich and surroundings) hated immigrants and blamed them for everything bad that is happening to the country. It is fair to say that majority of them did not look like having big brain capacity, but they have the vote too.
Yeah, that is the issue, how people can have such hatred for people who don't even affect their lives at all is beyond me.
That result leaves a very disgusting taste in my mouth.
I mean we (as a nation, definitely not me as a person) vote to put FN as first party here ?
They do compare well to UKIP, indeed. They have no serious political project, only over-simplistic ideas that might look seducing to some but would never ever work (abandon Euro as our currency, close all borders, etc.). Blame it all on foreigners, be them from the EU or invaders from abroad.
I had a good laugh a few month ago, when one of their representatives got bashed by some statistics expert, who, proving it with figures, had to make it admit he was confounding the total number of yearly migrants (non EU foreigners who enter the territory) with the number of migrants who actually settle in France (must be 2 or 3 of the first number). Most of those migrants are students.
As suspected in UK, those racists still make high scores in places where no foreigner was ever seen (they've probably seen them on TV once or twice though...).
Also, FN have decided that the media are against them, so now they prepare a case against journalists before going on TV, and pick at them personally. I believe some of them wanted to make journalists' private address public too.
Bunch of haters.
They're apparently glad the French people has voted for its sovereignty against that of foreigners from EU. If FN and its voters are the French people, I'd much rather be an European than a Frenchman.
Avin, you've met UKIP voters, whom Nigel Farage has managed to convince immigrants have 'invaded' the UK, and that leaving the EU will NOT severe trade links with EU countries. They are really quite nuts.
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I'm french, and the result yesterday was surprising ... and not really in fact.
Something that important, is that in France, from many years, if you were not agree with actual government, many voted for comunism, then now this is for FN. French do not vote against immigrants (let say 50 % of FN votes), but against actual governement. De Gaulle said the french people were beef ! and he was right, we live in the past, pretentious of what we done in the past and do not look into the future, Europe is most important thing, but not the actual Europe, must be only a commercial and peace Europe, we are making thing to fast.
If I'm allowed, I'll join the discussion (not connected with me at all, as I never was in GB). This probably isn't connected to what you guys were talking about (political parties and stuff), but the point and topic are same.
Few months ago our town "accepted" coming of few hundred (precisely around 200) immigrants and secured them huge hotel, daily salaries (who are enough) and everything that is enough for at least surviving here. They are most people that came from Somalia, Syria, Mali and other African countries. However and to be absolutely honest, they're great so far. They're not causing any problems, they're participating in social stuff, they adapted quickly, most of them even found a job (of course, least-paid physical jobs, but is still good) and even helped alot with the recent floods that hit this and other areas in Serbia. I don't know how it's in Britain, but these guys here are awesome.
There's big number of immigrants from China here, too. The law allows them to work, not to pay any taxes, Chinese embassy is paying them the stuff they need (renting the space, as they're mostly selling their clothes/accessories) and they're also quite quiet. They also were people that helped in floods and I am glad it's like that. Everyone here respect them (as well as the guys above) and allowed them to basically live here, so it's nice to see they're thankful for that. I understand their problems and I can't understand why shouldn't we let them settle here. We're all just people, at the end.
Also, when travelling around Europe (mainly) I noticed huge number of immigrants in big cities (especially Rome, there are alot of these there!). But still, they were all living in their own areas, their own quarters and as far as I've seen and know, they aren't causing that big problems. They just look like normal people of lower class who are literally trying to survive. However, you'll always meet some assholes that even despite you were good to them and let them settle in your city, will do some shits and cause problems. But that's probably what are some, let call them normal, people do, too.
The conservatives won the election here held about 7-8 months ago. It ended up with a coalition government between the Progress Party (FrP) and The Right (H), where FrP were very much against immigration and rallied people up with the idiotic notion of "creeping sharia", but ever since they got elected they have had to retreet on nearly every stance and they are much, much more toned down then they where a year ago... thank God.
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
Well in Germany we also have a lot of immigrants but on the other side we need them as in the future we have the same problem like the Japanese (the people living here getting older and older but less younger people coming here or getting born).
We have also a party with the tendency to the right (AFD - Alternative for Germany) and they just don't want the Euro in Germany. But the problem they have they are weirdos. Some people there are very right/nationalistic and the party tries to get them out or to distance from those "idiots" but well the media here think they are right (but not populistic or nationalist). They got 7% here in their first European votes. They took part in the elections in Germany but were under 5% (any party under 5% doesn't get into the Bundestag).
The partys wanting more restrictions on immigration and EU critisism (namely CSU, a conservative party in Bavaria having a Union with the CDU the biggest/strongest party here) had weaker elections then 2009.
On the "funny" side, the CSU said with Romania and Bulgaria joining the EU we will get overrun by them especially financially because as the people are from the EU, they are allowed to get financial help here and don't want to search a job.
Now to the funny part: There are more (in percentage as in pure number it would be obvious) jobless Germans than Romanians and Bulgarians. Also the "run" on the financial help for jobless people was very underwhelming because there were much much less wanting the financial help than they (CSU/CDU) thought.
Well there are black sheeps in some immigrants, not wanting to integrate into the community and country.
But because of some of those a lot of people think they are the majority and so that is bad and that is stupid.
I would wish that Schulz gets the commissiner position because I think he would like really to change the EU as he said he wants to improve the EU so that it doesn't look like they do what they want to do and so that it is not understandable. Whilst I think with Juncker it will stay the same like before.
Edited by Rin on 26-05-2014 09:48
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Marriage is at the first place act to establish a good place to baby being born and i wonder how two men could do that, but why not give them a chance to enter some sort of partnership, that is really silly. I am not so opened to gay adoptions, but that is another topic.
Also what surprises you on Americans? They are like that, democracy is just an illusion, especially when there is no other state to be controlled so much by media and secret services....
We've seen how two men raised a baby and that is Two and A Half Men.... Jokes, this is basically one the hardest questions the civilization has got, because it is about human rights, principles, tradition, first hand opinion and etc. And most of all, don't say to the other members, what's right or what's wrong, everyone is allowed to have their own opinion (except Jesleyh ). Again, jk, isn't it poosible for you to open up your hearts and accept the differences and end this discussion?
I ended the discussion from my point of view by saying that i respect other opinions and that i can get something from them, what more you would want?
And thanks Crommy for coming to discussion to call me stupid,stupid moron because it is easy to pull out words from sentences, where they are related to former discussion, that is very mature and polite.
No problem, it wasn't intended to be polite. Trying to equate gay sex and bestiality (and not understanding the very simple concept of consent) is the argument of a moron.
Edited by Crommy on 26-05-2014 09:53
Admir- UKIP's main immigration policy is that due to border restrictions being lifted, similar to Rin in Germany Romanians and Bulgarians will flock in their masses to the UK. In fact, the first Romanian jobseeker https://www.thegua...-mps-media actually left as there was such a media scrum.
Edited by weirdskyfan64 on 26-05-2014 14:07
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Winner of a FIFA Prediction Fair Play Award (a phrase becoming increasingly ironic) "... Because he (me) has a sound tactical mind in general..." jandal7, at 9:30 am GMT on 12th May 2016
I should also add that the Progress Party are a very populist party who's never been in government before during their 40-or so year long history. After making a huge fuzz and being shocked over every little thing the previous government did, they nearly kicked out all their most outspoken members and toned down every aspect of their politics after they won. They've even taken on the opposite stance in some cases.
We don't really have a problem with far right "extremist" parties here. They might get something like 0.001% of the votes. The only real "extreme" party we have is "Hvit Valgallianse" (roughly translated to "White Election Alliance") got 120 votes or something a few years back. Their main focus is on either closing the borders or neutering all immigrants.
I'm surprised to see just how popular (at least with the media) some far right parties are Europe. I suppose this trend coincides with times of unrest.
Edited by cactus-jack on 26-05-2014 09:55
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Marriage is at the first place act to establish a good place to baby being born and i wonder how two men could do that, but why not give them a chance to enter some sort of partnership, that is really silly. I am not so opened to gay adoptions, but that is another topic.
Also what surprises you on Americans? They are like that, democracy is just an illusion, especially when there is no other state to be controlled so much by media and secret services....
We've seen how two men raised a baby and that is Two and A Half Men.... Jokes, this is basically one the hardest questions the civilization has got, because it is about human rights, principles, tradition, first hand opinion and etc. And most of all, don't say to the other members, what's right or what's wrong, everyone is allowed to have their own opinion (except Jesleyh ). Again, jk, isn't it poosible for you to open up your hearts and accept the differences and end this discussion?
I ended the discussion from my point of view by saying that i respect other opinions and that i can get something from them, what more you would want?
And thanks Crommy for coming to discussion to call me stupid,stupid moron because it is easy to pull out words from sentences, where they are related to former discussion, that is very mature and polite.
No problem, it wasn't intended to be polite. Trying to equate gay sex and bestiality (and not understanding the very simple concept of consent) is the argument of a moron.
I think the main reason that people are voting UKIP is because of a protest vote, a sort of negative cohesion against the other three parties which are just a complete mess. The leaders of the three (well two now...) main parties need to be given a kick up the backside to jolt them out of their cocoons on some distant planet far removed from the UK, and so voting UKIP and upsetting the established order is a good way to do this. I see Farage as more of a 'person' than say Cameron or Miliband, who are just rather dreary career politican-puppets of their respective parties, and I think perhaps people can connect with him more.
I don't think UKIP will do as well in the general election next year, people are using the European elections as a vehicle from which they can mount a protest as, let's face it the European elections aren't really that relevant compared to the general election.
It's also a good place to make a stand against what has been a shoddy attitude to immigration in the last few years under both Labour and the Tories... not necessarily removing all immigrants or banning any new ones from entering the country, just actually keeping a count of the number of people coming in and out of the country, something that, as an island nation, we have spectacularly failed to do recently.
I'm not necessarily pro-UKIP, it's just that they do have a justifiable point (hiding somewhere among the fruitcakes).
wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
They just seem an odd choice as anti-establishment.
Yeah, their policies are basically old Conservative policies. For example, the flat tax rate regardless of income, strong military deterrent and claims of there being no climate change aren't anti-establishment, they're just Thatcherite or bizarre.
These protest voters.. Maybe it might be ok if it should be a gong for the other parties.
If I would vote as a protest, than I would make a cross all over the voting ballot. It still counts.
How can anyone give a vote to a potentially dangerous party?
From what I have seen of Farage a loud whatever isn't better than those politicians that promise but don't really deliver all the stuff they promised.
The problem is that the voters actually don't really like the truth and don't really reward it.
When I look in Germany around 2003-2004, Schröder made big changes in Germany basically cutting a lot of the social (financial) help for example cutting the money per month for jobless people etc. a lot of people (in Germany, otherwise we are just lazy and say ok) went on the streets because the leading party SPD (socialdemocratic party germanys) making those laws that are basically unsocial.
From 2003 to 2005 there were a lot of state elections and the SPD lost one after another.
The SPD never came back from that disaster and so the CDU is now getting close to the Kohl era holding the power (again for toooo long).
But these changes are the reason why Germany stands that good at the moment in Europe.
To the EU elections:
Well in Germany we cutted the percentage to get into the EU parliament (but it still stands for the Bundestag) and with that a lot of parties get 1 seat.
Unfortunately so the NPD (nationalsocialists) got 1 seat but also another parties like the pirate party, animal protection party and the family party that will never get into the Bundestag.
But also "Die Partei" (translated "The Party" got a seat.
Actually the name is "Party for Work, state of law, animal protection, furthering elitists and base democratic initiatives".
Well it's a party that isn't that serious (but they claim they are serious so they still can be a party but still a lot of people are questioning it) wanting stuff like a lazy quota, wanting to make a wall around Switzerland and changing the age to vote to "12 to 53".
The party leader announced that after 4 weeks, he will stand down so another party member "can visit Brussels".
That would mean for the month you get 33.000€ and 6 months still money from the EU.
So 60 party members would take part in the EU with just 1 seat.
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The problem with UKIP and the National Front is they are a sign of what politics has become- with UKIP at least, they're getting in by process of elimination, no matter how far to the right they lean.
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You all probably know about that guy and what he did, but in case you didn't - watch the video firstly. That's his last video in which he talked about how he was a "victim" all his life, he was still virgin in twenties and stuff. After he recored that vid, he killed 6 people and commited suicide.
That's awful and everyone knows it. That also isn't the point of my upcoming post. What my point is that pressure from childhood to kids for havingsex early. 20 y/o and virgin, so fucking what? It's something abnormal on whole planet (I usually blame West, but this is probably present all over the world). I know there's something like this in Serbia (let's call it discrimination), like pressure to fuck early, to show that you're alpha man in some way, that you're not loser, not a helpless, litlle boy anymore. But is it a situation on West/America? If yes, why is it like that? I know there's hardly an clear and understandable explanation on something like this, but I would like to see your opinions/answers.
Or is it just because he had basically everything in his life and didn't know what to do anymore, so decided to have some "fun"? (sounds creepy, I know) I'd really liked to see that pussy being poor, without anything to eat and without that BMW (I know it's kind of mental disease but I also do think it has something to do with being rich, "spoon-fed"...He's btw the son of known scenarist and film-maker Petter Rodger).
). Again, jk, isn't it poosible for you to open up your hearts and accept the differences and end this discussion? 
