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| ppanther |
Posted on 18-05-2013 16:54
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FreitasPCM wrote:
And Santambrogio had a good result in a mountain stage, finishing second in the 2011 Tour of Austria climb up Kitzbuheler Horn. Field wasn't that strong though, and Albasini won that race some years ago. 
Defeated riders like Menchov, Sastre, König, Machado, Barta, Rohregger, ... So not that bad.
And 2009 was kinda strange and the weakest field of the last 5 years. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 18-05-2013 16:54
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After last year I still had hope (6th in vuelta after a poor preparation after tour fall) for Gesink.. but now it seems definite, even with a perfect preparation his days of climbing well are completely gone.
It's a bit like Gerdemann. Still a good helper, but totally useless as a leader after breaking his leg. |
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 18-05-2013 16:59
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Jesleyh wrote:
But you should really stop saying that over and over again, it's getting really annoying, ok? 
Please do that with your constant Kelderman praise, then. I find that far more annoying.
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 18-05-2013 17:04
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
Jesleyh wrote:
But you should really stop saying that over and over again, it's getting really annoying, ok?
Please do that with your constant Kelderman praise, then. I find that far more annoying.
I actually started to do that less than I used to. Not sure when's the last time that I was really praising him, though...
Well, sometimes just kidding, but that's in a spoiler most of the time.
And informing if he's still in the peloton when I'm not watching the race isn't praising, right?
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| FreitasPCM |
Posted on 18-05-2013 17:06
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ppanther wrote:
FreitasPCM wrote:
And Santambrogio had a good result in a mountain stage, finishing second in the 2011 Tour of Austria climb up Kitzbuheler Horn. Field wasn't that strong though, and Albasini won that race some years ago.
Defeated riders like Menchov, Sastre, König, Machado, Barta, Rohregger, ... So not that bad.
And 2009 was kinda strange and the weakest field of the last 5 years.
Well, Menchov was out of form, Sastre was getting old, Barta isn't really that much of a big climber and Rohregger... well, he can climb, but he's a bit irregular. Not that I'm trying to take out some of his merit, because he did a good climb that day, just pointing out some facts.
And in 2009 there were guys like Caruso, Pidgornyy, Weening or Seeldrayers, and even Samoilau, who had top-20'd in a Giro some years before, iirc. Cycling unpredictableness stroke again.
Edited by FreitasPCM on 18-05-2013 17:07
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| fickman |
Posted on 18-05-2013 17:18
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Jesleyh it was more anoying seen u defending Gesink. I posted like 4 or 5 times saying that Gesink were overpower but u posted like 20 to 30 times defending him agianst everyone here (i was not the only one) complaining about Gesink stats. And guess who was right???
Like i said one time ur not objetive on Dutch riders and tend to make them cycling gods (Gesink, Kelderman.......) |
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| Iguwell |
Posted on 18-05-2013 17:23
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fickman wrote:
And Gesink showing once again how deserved his 79 MO in the DB is.
Still not as deserved as Roche with his 77 MO and great secondaries, due to year after year falling off with 20 riders left stage after stage, while failing to get anywhere near a top 10 in the tour as captain.
73 - maybe 74. |
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 18-05-2013 17:25
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Iguwell wrote:
fickman wrote:
And Gesink showing once again how deserved his 79 MO in the DB is.
Still not as deserved as Roche with his 77 MO and great secondaries, due to year after year falling off with 20 riders left stage after stage, while failing to get anywhere near a top 10 in the tour as captain.
73 - maybe 74.
He was 12th in both Vuelta and Tour last year. Seems pretty solid to me. Especially Tour considering his average TT.
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Diego Rosa impressing again. Felline did awesome too for today's stage.
Edited by Alakagom on 18-05-2013 17:26
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 18-05-2013 17:32
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Alakagom wrote:
Diego Rosa impressing again.
Looks like a massive talent. Future GC contender, I think.
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 18-05-2013 17:33
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fickman wrote:
Jesleyh it was more anoying seen u defending Gesink. I posted like 4 or 5 times saying that Gesink were overpower but u posted like 20 to 30 times defending him agianst everyone here (i was not the only one) complaining about Gesink stats. And guess who was right???
Like i said one time ur not objetive on Dutch riders and tend to make them cycling gods (Gesink, Kelderman.......)
As said, I try to be more objective in that lately.
I'm just chauvinistic(is that a correct English word), can't stop that, can only try to limit that.
Yeah, I want to make them like Cycling gods. I want them on 83 MO.
And did I do extremely ridiculous suggestions on Kelderman's stats? No, not after his Top 5 in Romandië, not after 2 Top 10 WT Prologues in a row, no.
In fact, I lowered Kelderman's stats compared to what others gave him in both DB's I was working on(PCMdaily DB excluded, only did some Dutch CT teams there)
And believe me, you posted that Gesink should be lowered more than 4 times.
Anyway, lets both try to limit it
I'll focus on CT stats anyway
Edited by Jesleyh on 18-05-2013 17:36
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 18-05-2013 17:48
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ruben wrote:
After last year I still had hope (6th in vuelta after a poor preparation after tour fall) for Gesink.. but now it seems definite, even with a perfect preparation his days of climbing well are completely gone.
It's a bit like Gerdemann. Still a good helper, but totally useless as a leader after breaking his leg.
1) It depends whether he's climbing slower than before or if it's his opponents who've increased their pace
2) With that weather he's probably in the worst conditions for him to perform well, can't expect too much...
3) "Like [Linus the-chemical-being] Gerdemann" ? Just tell me it's not what you mean for Gesink.  |
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 18-05-2013 17:49
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I really don't care for stats, that part of the game means the least to me
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| ruben |
Posted on 18-05-2013 18:08
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Aquarius wrote:
ruben wrote:
After last year I still had hope (6th in vuelta after a poor preparation after tour fall) for Gesink.. but now it seems definite, even with a perfect preparation his days of climbing well are completely gone.
It's a bit like Gerdemann. Still a good helper, but totally useless as a leader after breaking his leg.
1) It depends whether he's climbing slower than before or if it's his opponents who've increased their pace
2) With that weather he's probably in the worst conditions for him to perform well, can't expect too much...
3) "Like [Linus the-chemical-being] Gerdemann" ? Just tell me it's not what you mean for Gesink.
1) could be a bit of both actually. Gesink slower + others faster
2) yeah today is the worst for him because with the pin in his leg he suffers a lot more in the cold, he already said so last year.
3) you know what i mean, riders who break their leg usually don't tend to perform as well even after recovery anymore.
He's still 27 but it's looking bad for his aspirations as GT racer. Especially if you simply compare the images of his climbing. Vuelta 2009 going up with Valverde, Sanchez, Evans, Basso and putting them under pressure to today where he can hardly keep up with teammates Garate, Kruijswijk and Kelderman... finishing 4 minutes behind a certain V.Nibali, a rider he was superior to in 2009 in climbing and ITT |
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 18-05-2013 19:25
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Good news!
Mont-Cenis and Galibier wont be taken out of tomorrow's stage, after all. Only change is that the finish has been moved to the Pantani monument, around 4 km from the Galibier's summit. Confirmed by the organisation on Twitter.
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| fcancellara |
Posted on 18-05-2013 19:32
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Didn't see the stage, I guess  Sonny Colbrelli,  Yury Trofimov, Diego Rosa and Luca Paolini came from an early breakaway?
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 18-05-2013 19:32
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
Good news!
Mont-Cenis and Galibier wont be taken out of tomorrow's stage, after all. Only change is that the finish has been moved to the Pantani monument, around 4 km from the Galibier's summit. Confirmed by the organisation on Twitter.
Hell yeah! Thanks for info!
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| Gulvplanke |
Posted on 18-05-2013 19:34
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Colbrelli and Paolini did. I'm not sure about Rosa, but I don't think Trofimov did.
How hard can it be?
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| dev4ever |
Posted on 18-05-2013 19:39
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Diego Rosa and Trofimov didn't
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 18-05-2013 19:40
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fcancellara wrote:
Didn't see the stage, I guess Sonny Colbrelli, Yury Trofimov, Diego Rosa and Luca Paolini came from an early breakaway?
Just Colbrelli and Paolini. They were in the break, along with Trentin and Pietropolli. Started the final climb with an advantage of 5 minutes.
Trofimov is Katusha's captain for this race and seems to be doing quite well now that he doesn't have to work for anyone else. As for Rosa, he's a brilliant climbing talent. Remember that name.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 18-05-2013 19:53
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
Good news!
Mont-Cenis and Galibier wont be taken out of tomorrow's stage, after all. Only change is that the finish has been moved to the Pantani monument, around 4 km from the Galibier's summit. Confirmed by the organisation on Twitter.
Nice to hear!
Let's hope that we can have live images though
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