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Posted on 10-03-2013 21:41
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 14-03-2013 06:44
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I agree with Mr.Vayer here, more transparency would be nice. I have to say i dont know Vayer much, any thoughts about his person and reliability?
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 14-03-2013 07:21
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Good and evil at the same time.
He makes a lot of sense, so you can take his technical claims as meaningful, but also has a dark history (google Vayer + Festina, I reckon he was their doctor at the time they were caught, but he said he had decided a team doping was better than riders excessively doping on their own and putting their lives at stake).
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 14-03-2013 07:48
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I found this an interesting, relevant read https://www.cyclismas.com/2013/03/port...-a-frenzy/
If you think it's saying Sky are clean then try reading it again a little slower 
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 14-03-2013 08:25
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Froome obviously lost the Tirreno on purpose. There were too many suspicions, so he sacrificed the race in order to dominate the Tour.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Kritzo |
Posted on 09-06-2013 14:27
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Sky taking the 1 and 2 GC in the Tour de France for sure..
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Posted on 09-06-2013 14:29
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Kritzo wrote:
Sky taking the 1 and 2 GC in the Tour de France for sure..
Why not 1 to 3 in GC? Thomas and Hagen are climbers as well 
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 09-06-2013 14:31
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PCM rulezz wrote:
Kritzo wrote:
Sky taking the 1 and 2 GC in the Tour de France for sure..
Why not 1 to 3 in GC? Thomas and Hagen are climbers as well
Froome, Porte and Pate to take 1-2-3. |
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Posted on 09-06-2013 14:32
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Miguel98 wrote:
PCM rulezz wrote:
Kritzo wrote:
Sky taking the 1 and 2 GC in the Tour de France for sure..
Why not 1 to 3 in GC? Thomas and Hagen are climbers as well
Froome, Porte and Pate to take 1-2-3.
You messed up the order. Pate, Froome, Porte go 1-2-3.
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| cio93 |
Posted on 09-06-2013 14:49
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We definitely need a puke smiley here until the Tour...
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 10-06-2013 07:18
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Rather a stinking pile of someting smiley, that would represent Sky perfectly.
Froome is sure winner of the Tour this year (bar crash or other circumstances), Porte will finish high too, but i dont think it will be podium for him.
But i am pretty confident that Thomas will will win Tour in three-five years too, if the Sky doping program will not be stopped by that time.
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| TimoCycling |
Posted on 10-06-2013 13:28
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I don't think Froome or Porte are dopers, but I am still very suspicious. I'm most suspicious about riders like Hagen and Thomas, I mean wtf? How are they riding so well? And Kyrienka riding like 100 kilometers in a row at the head of the peloton like a robot. It's insane really. |
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| Kritzo |
Posted on 10-06-2013 13:37
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Kiryienka? Do you mean that Kiryienka, Hagen and Thomas, only are the one with the "marginal" gains? Froom was pure shit before Vuelta 2011. He had shown some sort of potiential on the TT's bot not in the mountains. Not on that level at all. And now. He's looking to be just fine, pedalling an insane amount of watt. That is just not humanly possible.
It is more likely that Wiggins aren't doped than Froome aren't. Wiggins had after all shown some potiential in 209 in the Tour and he was also one of the Top 5 candidates for the 2011 Tour de France. He was nowhere to be seen in 2010 at Sky. Froome came out of nowhere, at the Vuelta 2011, and since that, he has just improved himself, and in the end proved to be the best stage-racer in the moment.
Wiggins was looking mortal in the mountains at last years Tour de France unlike Froome this year in all races. I know Wiggins also had a form peaking from mid March to the end of July. But he was mortal in the mountains I think (or he wasn't anywhere near the level of Froome, therefore more mortal than Froome. )
Edited by Kritzo on 10-06-2013 13:41
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| BritPCMFan |
Posted on 10-06-2013 21:00
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Ok, I'm a Sky fan. I want to believe they are all clean.
Froome is kinda dumb. It is insane and his probably almost certainly doped. He does have the illness thing which does make some sense (and its even credible to the extend that, if its true it would make sense for him to be much better after treatment as its just something that hampers you, but isn't causing longterm harm. Not like because infinately better after your half killed by cancer and don't produce much testosterone anymore). But his just too good. He wins too easy all the time and you don't even feel he needs half the team to do it.
Wiggins I feel probably is clean. I wouldn't be totally shocked if he wasn't but I think his fairly realistic. He progressed steady, late but he was already a world beating cyclist on the track. His riding style also fits with what we know he was incredibly good at. Other riders could have dropped Wiggins at last years tour if he had been isolated, the problem wasn't so much Wiggins as the team. He was good enough in the mountains, but he didn't solo away from everyone.
To put the two into context. If Wiggins rode for Liquigas and Nibbles rode for Sky at last years tour, does anyone think Wiggins would have won?
Whereas this year, I think you could swap Contador for Froome, and Froome would still win. Or Purito and Froome. Or Cadel. etc.
The same basically applies to Thomas. I've thought for a long time that Thomas is Wiggins heir apparent. He is very much a carbon copy. That said, his climbing ability has developed VERY quickly over the last year I feel. Probably too quickly.
EBH has got better climibing, but I'm not sure his as good all round a cyclist as he was a few years back. He has always had an incredible amount of talent and is young and developing.
Even Porte could be legit tbh. His just got better year on year and isnt exactly the oldest rider in the peleton. Cyclists still improve through thier mid twenties.
As for Kiri... his always been a robot. I remember him riding for Moviestar last year, exactly the same. Steady death rhythm, looking like he could turn round a fight 5 belgians at a moment notice. If he is doping, then he was doing pre-sky. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 10-06-2013 21:54
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Wiggins clean ? His TDF blood passport strongly indicated blood manipulation (transfusion) in 2009, IIRC. Remember how he was thin as hell back then ? Strangely, all G.C. contenders were extremely thin that year. Just when we first heard of Aicar, which allowed people to become extremely thin. Coincidences at work, probably...
Then he switched to Sky, that, back then, was a team with a very strong antidoping stance. Zero tolerance policy, no ex doper, no shabby staff member, nothing.
Where was Mr. Steady-progression Bradley Wiggins then ? He was where average to fairly good G.C. guys are. Top 25 material...
Than what ? Sky changed their policy, there were limits to the zero tolerance policy, etc. Well... They hired "doping doctors", being reluctant to admit it, in the likes of Dr. Iraburgen (sorry if I've got the spelling wrong) in 2012, but that was just some sort of climax, the changes had already happened in 2011.
What happens to Wiggins ? Becomes thin again, falls in the Tour de France, podiums at Vuelta, and wins TDF in 2012.
Makes sense. Nothing wrong here. If he's doped you might as well eat your hat, right ?
Bon appétit... |
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Posted on 10-06-2013 21:57
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https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/my-re...ays-froome
Of course it changed. We're back tot he 90's. |
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 10-06-2013 22:11
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BritPCMFan wrote:
Ok, I'm a Sky fan. I want to believe they are all clean.
It's a simple choice really.
If you choose blue though, do NOT read the first 50~60 or so pages of this thread. Such as post #1180. Or #1039. Or any post by issoisso
But just for the record:
He was good enough in the mountains, but he didn't solo away from everyone.
They did actually do that on Peyragudes 
Aquarius wrote:
They hired "doping doctors", being reluctant to admit it, in the likes of Dr. Iraburgen (sorry if I've got the spelling wrong) in 2012, but that was just some sort of climax, the changes had already happened in 2011.
Is that supposed to be Ibarguren? If yes that is a funny spelling
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| BritPCMFan |
Posted on 10-06-2013 22:19
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Aquarius wrote:
Wiggins clean ? His TDF blood passport strongly indicated blood manipulation (transfusion) in 2009, IIRC. Remember how he was thin as hell back then ? Strangely, all G.C. contenders were extremely thin that year. Just when we first heard of Aicar, which allowed people to become extremely thin. Coincidences at work, probably...
Then he switched to Sky, that, back then, was a team with a very strong antidoping stance. Zero tolerance policy, no ex doper, no shabby staff member, nothing.
Where was Mr. Steady-progression Bradley Wiggins then ? He was where average to fairly good G.C. guys are. Top 25 material...
Than what ? Sky changed their policy, there were limits to the zero tolerance policy, etc. Well... They hired "doping doctors", being reluctant to admit it, in the likes of Dr. Iraburgen (sorry if I've got the spelling wrong) in 2012, but that was just some sort of climax, the changes had already happened in 2011.
What happens to Wiggins ? Becomes thin again, falls in the Tour de France, podiums at Vuelta, and wins TDF in 2012.
Makes sense. Nothing wrong here. If he's doped you might as well eat your hat, right ?
Bon appétit...
Your probably right. His doping, and all the other GC are too and a big chunk of the rest of the peleton. I've said a big piece elsewhere that in all likelyhood, all GC guys + a huge chunk of the rest are all doping still.
But since we like to believe in a world where there are only a few people on dope so that its more enjoyable for evreyone. Thats the logic I using.
He had a bad tour in 2010. Yes, its entirely possible that's because he suddenly wasn't able to dope. Its also entirely possible he just had crap tour. Its been known to happen.
Ultimately, we don't know either way. Both ways are entirely logical.
His far more likely to be clean then Froome was the general point anyway. Even as a fairytale believing sky fan, there no way that can be right.
And yeah, that interview made me lol. Is there anyone that hasn't won this season and said "THIS IS PROOF CYCLING IS CLEAN" |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 10-06-2013 22:28
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Anybody else notice how even Froome makes absolutely no mention of any illness to explain his rise? It's the sport that changed apparently.
Edited by issoisso on 10-06-2013 22:29
The preceding post is ISSO 9001 certified
"I love him, I think he's great. He's transformed the sport in so many ways. Every person in cycling has benefitted from Lance Armstrong, perhaps not financially but in some sense" - Bradley Wiggins on Lance Armstrong
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Posted on 10-06-2013 22:37
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Aquarius wrote:
Wiggins clean ? His TDF blood passport strongly indicated blood manipulation (transfusion) in 2009, IIRC. Remember how he was thin as hell back then ? Strangely, all G.C. contenders were extremely thin that year. Just when we first heard of Aicar, which allowed people to become extremely thin. Coincidences at work, probably...
Then he switched to Sky, that, back then, was a team with a very strong antidoping stance. Zero tolerance policy, no ex doper, no shabby staff member, nothing.
Where was Mr. Steady-progression Bradley Wiggins then ? He was where average to fairly good G.C. guys are. Top 25 material...
Than what ? Sky changed their policy, there were limits to the zero tolerance policy, etc. Well... They hired "doping doctors", being reluctant to admit it, in the likes of Dr. Iraburgen (sorry if I've got the spelling wrong) in 2012, but that was just some sort of climax, the changes had already happened in 2011.
What happens to Wiggins ? Becomes thin again, falls in the Tour de France, podiums at Vuelta, and wins TDF in 2012.
Makes sense. Nothing wrong here. If he's doped you might as well eat your hat, right ?
Bon appétit...
Sky still has a very strong antidoping stance with a zero tolerance policy. So is Garmin. So is OPQS. So is every team that joined MPCC (Europcar, Lotto, Vacansolei lol, or even better; fucking Katusha and Astana). A "zerotolerance policy" doesn't mean shit. There probably was doping in Sky before Wiggo's arrival. |
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