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| Strydz |
Posted on 12-05-2013 15:11
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Don't know if it has been posted but BMC just announced Bobby Julich has been hired as a consultant.
Edit: You beat me to it
Edited by Strydz on 12-05-2013 15:12
Hells 500 Crew and 6 x Everester
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| Farmer Sam |
Posted on 13-05-2013 07:55
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Andreas Klier retires from racing and becomes a DS with Garmin-Sharp |
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 13-05-2013 17:34
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The Belgian plantfood group DCM told teammanager Luijkx of Vacansoleil-DCM that they are not gonna renew the contract at the end of the year
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 13-05-2013 17:39
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Alakagom wrote:
The Belgian plantfood group DCM told teammanager Luijkx of Vacansoleil-DCM that they are not gonna renew the contract at the end of the year
Meh. 2 Dutch teams in serious trouble at the moment. And the 2 Dutch teams that I like the most, too.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 13-05-2013 17:46
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Farmer Sam wrote:
Andreas Klier retires from racing and becomes a DS with Garmin-Sharp
Something he should have done 3 or 4 years ago.
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| Selwink |
Posted on 13-05-2013 18:38
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Farmer Sam wrote:
Andreas Klier retires from racing and becomes a DS with Garmin-Sharp
He will immediately drive a team car I read, already in the Giro
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 13-05-2013 20:24
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Good for him.
RIP Exxon Duke, David Veilleux, Double Feature, and Monster Energy |
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| NTTHRASH |
Posted on 13-05-2013 20:30
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Spilak23 wrote:
Farmer Sam wrote:
Andreas Klier retires from racing and becomes a DS with Garmin-Sharp
Something he should have done 3 or 4 years ago.
You don't say?
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Posted on 23-11-2024 15:30
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 13-05-2013 22:35
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Not that he was really a star, a model or anything, but the name of one more pro from my teenage years is to be added to Pantani and Vandenbroucke's on the list of those who deceased more or less directly because of their doping abuses : Philippe Gaumont.
Who'll be the next one ? |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 13-05-2013 22:47
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Apparently he took 5 stilnox' and went partying the whole night before RvV 1999, still rode away with Vandenbroucke half course. Hadn't he crashed there, Vandenbroucke would have easily won.
Still sad to see an old rider pass away..
Edited by Spilak23 on 13-05-2013 22:51
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 14-05-2013 09:20
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Aquarius wrote:
Not that he was really a star, a model or anything, but the name of one more pro from my teenage years is to be added to Pantani and Vandenbroucke's on the list of those who deceased more or less directly because of their doping abuses : Philippe Gaumont.
Who'll be the next one ?
Not to mention the many that are suffering health problems and complications for the rest of their lives - a high price to pay and hopefully a (partial) detterent for the current generation, though the current crop of positives for GW501516 tells us there will always be some nutters... |
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 14-05-2013 09:37
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A step in the right direction - WADA apparently set to double the length of first offence bans to 4 years https://www.insidethegames.biz/1014191...oping-code |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 14-05-2013 09:50
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Still not the "right direction" in my opinion. Hard to explain but this is like if it would be like this in criminal law:
- breaking and entering: 4 years
- murder: 4 years
- assault: 4 years
See what I mean? They shouldn't have one punishment for all offences. But that's just my opinion. |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 14-05-2013 11:18
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It is not criminal law, therefore your point isn't valid.
You cannot judge how much of an advantage somebody gains from a certain violation of the anti-doping rules. Also it is almost certain that no athlete ever did one-time-doping. So IF you can prove it, then you have to sanction it.
BTW: If they would implement different degrees of sanctions, then athletes would just do these things more often. |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 14-05-2013 11:22
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While its good to punish dopers, i don't think this is going to make a difference. You'll never dope if you think you'll get caught, so just raising the ban length isn't going to put off the majority of dopers. Some might stop, some might not start, but overall i don't think it will make much of a difference.
You can look at any legal system in the world, and no matter how severe it is people will still break laws... The only way to get people to stop is to improve testing, and test more often.
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 14-05-2013 11:28
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A step...there are many to take. Also it talks about more flexibility in sanctions too but no idea if or how that may manifest itself. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 14-05-2013 11:29
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The principle of putting people in jail is not to repair the offence committed but to separate them from a society where they don't fit in.
In cycling case a longer suspension means we won't have the likes of Scarponi or Basso winning Giros after coming back from suspension. Also Alberto Contador would have probably gotten an actual suspension longer than his mostly retroactive one.
I'm not necessarily saying a life time ban is necessary on the first offence (although if the rider is caught using heavy products I wouldn't mind it), but four years is definitely better than two, IMO. |
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 14-05-2013 11:48
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I think 4 years is pretty perfect. A lifetime ban would be ideal, but it's so unrealistic I won't bother including it. As of now with 2 years, staying away from competition and training for 2 years might even be an advantage. However, if the ban is 4 years then it would be alot harder for them to stay motivated before returning.
Edited by cactus-jack on 14-05-2013 11:48
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| CountArach |
Posted on 14-05-2013 12:14
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I've never liked lifetime bans as it stops people like Millar, who have genuinely made amends, from coming back. The sport does need the examples that these people give us.
4 year bans are a sensible middle ground. Someone who dopes at age 25 and is caught will miss some of their best years.
EDIT: lifetime bans for a second offense are great by me though.
Edited by CountArach on 14-05-2013 12:16
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 14-05-2013 12:18
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Lachi wrote:
It is not criminal law, therefore your point isn't valid.
You cannot judge how much of an advantage somebody gains from a certain violation of the anti-doping rules. Also it is almost certain that no athlete ever did one-time-doping. So IF you can prove it, then you have to sanction it.
BTW: If they would implement different degrees of sanctions, then athletes would just do these things more often.
Still, it feels wrong that every offense is punished by the same 4 years. Surely every rider has the right to be heard and than trialed according to the seriousness of his crime, no? |
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