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Ideas for 2011
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 18-02-2010 18:11
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Roman wrote:
I would like to see some CT criteriums too.
And - I'd like to see in Man-Game some new hills/mountains classics (I have in mind mainly Classique des Alpes or some race where can be used Mendrisio's WC profile) and and in not least some races in Eastern Europe
And there are some riders who could be included in the DB for next season:
Peter Sagan, Michal Kwiatkowski, Jan Barta, Jakub Novak, Richie Porte, Jaroslaw Marycz, Artem Ovechkin, Davide Cimolai, Jonathan Castroviejo, Davide Apollonio, Yevgeni Nepomnyachsniy
Theres a couple more eastern european races - including a new mountain one (making it 2 mountain classics in the game in total, since after all, a lot of stage races cater for the mountain climbers anyway).
Some of those riders ive already added to the new db, while Ill look into the others
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| OlegTinkov |
Posted on 04-03-2010 18:00
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No idea where to put it so here we go...
Would be handy to have Man-Game as an subdirectory at the Navigation Menu (upper left) orsomething simular. Can't handle all the scrolling anymore!
Edited by OlegTinkov on 17-07-2014 09:28
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| Heine |
Posted on 04-03-2010 18:04
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Just something I throw out for brainstorming later. And might not be any reason to add it, just thought about it when I read something about Zabel earlier today.
He was a great sprinter, but as he got older he turned more into a classic rider. So my thought here was a possibility for sprinters when they get older to have a "training" that makes them loose some sprinting and gain some hills/cobbles.
Dunno how it could be implented, but could maybe add some flavor. Just threw it out while I still remembered it :-p
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| Romme1 |
Posted on 23-03-2010 10:42
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I know it's too late, but i for 2012 it would be nice if you can choose a continental tour as a goal. E.g. it would be obvious for my team to have a `Win Asian Continental Tour´
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| mattiasgt |
Posted on 23-03-2010 10:55
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I think we should increase the minimum amount of riders to 24 for the ProTour, so that every team can bring a full team to every race. Could be implemented next time around.
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| SotD |
Posted on 23-03-2010 16:57
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Agree with mattiasgt...
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 23-03-2010 17:00
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It wont happen without having to increase the cap again, so its very unlikely to happen
I disagree that it is needed anyway
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| SotD |
Posted on 23-03-2010 17:15
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It isn't difficult to get 24 riders. It's just a matter of how much you are willing to pay your top riders... My most expensive rider is Contador at 520k...
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 23-03-2010 17:19
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SotD wrote:
It isn't difficult to get 24 riders. It's just a matter of how much you are willing to pay your top riders... My most expensive rider is Contador at 520k...
Well to put it bluntly, thats because Contador is not amongst the best riders in the game. (In terms of stats and performance). If he was, his wage would be higher.
The top riders, the GT winners - the GT dominators even - wont renew for much under double that amount.
Riders get points for finishing PT races, so its within teams interests to ride every race with a full allocation of riders. Buts it their choice.
And even having a minimum of 24 riders per team would not see every team field full line ups at all 3 of PN/TA/Catalunya.
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| SotD |
Posted on 23-03-2010 17:29
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Probably not though, since some riders have so few racedays that it would be a waste to let them race :-)
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 23-03-2010 17:31
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SotD wrote:
Probably not though, since some riders have so few racedays that it would be a waste to let them race :-)
You say probably not, then pretty much back up what I said? 
But yes, I know for a fact that not all of my riders will be involved in the 3 clashing races. That wouldnt change whether the minimum was 20 or 24.
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| SotD |
Posted on 23-03-2010 17:34
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Well I see your point obviously, but still that doesn't mean I fully agree... Put the minimum to 25 then :-P
So your all overshadowing leader can be let out :-)
But I know what you mean.
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 23-03-2010 17:36
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Its not my main team leader who wont be riding there 
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 23-03-2010 19:09
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The main argument of raising the amount of riders is, in my opinion, that it'd be realistic.
But on the other hand, we're not riding anything else than PT races, so personally, I think that the 20 riders minimum requirement is fine. |
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| Smowz |
Posted on 27-11-2010 20:27
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Thought I would throw a few ideas for the 2012 season out there:
Reading through this thread I can see where the training ideas came from, the problem is what to spend money on instead. The only thing to spend money on was on transfers, and we saw some large transfer fees being spent.
Anyway my two ideas for money to be spent is this:
1) Contract buy outs... to appear between the contracts and the transfer season (or even within the transfer season) a kinda one or two week window in which a team can buy out another riders contract by bidding a certain amount more than the riders current contract. (I don't know twice as much)
That price would be paid to the team and that would be the riders new wage.
Perhaps put a restriction that CTour teams cannot do this to Protour teams.
2) Second idea was again a kinda between Contract renewals and transfer season. I noticed with the negotiations for riders like Ricco and Uran took a long time to be completed - this really tied those teams up away from other transfer negotiations waiting.
Anyway the idea - was to have a sort of independent agent who has a handful of selected riders - Kessler or Wegmenn for example who people bid signing on fees. All the riders have preset wages - the team with the highest bid would get to pick which individual they wanted and the next would get to pick from those left etc.
Anyway just thought I would throw these ideas out there! |
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 27-11-2010 20:40
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1) Contract buy outs was kind of in play when I joined (2009 season). It came along in the form of Contract Release Clauses.
Three riders from your team asked for CRCs and you selected a level for them. I didn't understand the process, and as a result set the CRC for one of my riders as low (there was no upper or lower limit). People could then bid on your riders with CRCs continually until they hit that limit. In which case the rider went to that team, you got the money, and lost the rider. It was a pointless and very very annoying system.
Trust me, having your best riders, or best support riders, bought off you, when you are powerless to do anything about it, is damn fucking annoying. I will not support such a venture again. In fact, if I had my team ripped to shreds by such a horrible notion, I doubt I would continue to play the Man Game. For me, seasons of effort and team building would be destroyed by new managers with the usual shed load of money just bidding on one good rider, and 19 crap ones. You will understand, come this transfer season, the difficulty of juggling contract renewels, and then a tight ass budget to buy new good riders. Don't make it harder for yourself.
2) The entire point of having people tied up on bids for riders for so long, is to allow other riders to "sneak" under the radar, so to speak. I see that what you're saying is basically like putting a new team with free agents in it, with set wages for teams to try and buy the riders. It's sort of an interesting idea, but then again, that's the whole point of teams renewing riders to sell on for money. Free agents should, in my opinion, stay free agents (with the fluctuating wages to punish stupid new teams bidding 1.5mil on one rider who SHOULD be in the Pro Tour but ends up in the Conti - Ricco, anyone?) and Contracted RIders stay as such.
Other wise you get someone being able to splash 1.5 mil of their money, but only 500,000 of their salary cap, on one awesome rider, and then being able to buy another rider with the spare salary cap. It just doesn't really work - in my opinion.
But, as usual, there are changes each season, and SN usually consults a lot of people before implementing new ideas, rules, etc, so keep firing out the ideas.
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 27-11-2010 22:28
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I generally agree with Rjc here
The contract release clauses - or stealing as it was called in the first transfer season I believe. I hated them, and dont miss them. So many teams got screwed over in such a way, for example personally, I lost Niemiec to Jolly_antunes on the final day of one transfer season because he had money left so put in a large bid over the steal limit, automatically getting the rider - having never previously shown interest in Niemiec. I was uanble to respond, in terms of getting a better deal, or getting a replacement, since it was simply too late.
I believe that one of the key ideas of this game is that you get a 'connection' to your team. Youve chosen your riders, you like the riders you have, you want them to do well. If you want to keep a rider, while there may be budget constraints at times, youll do your best to keep them - you dont want to have that rider taken from you, with you being helpless.
So in short, its been tried, didnt work well, and wont be returning.
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 27-11-2010 22:41
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By the way, I didn't mean to come across as overly aggressive, but yeah, I just do happen to get rather wound up in transfer time, as SN will testify to , so anything making it worse will cause me to melt down.
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| Smowz |
Posted on 28-11-2010 10:03
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Rjc: Did not think you were aggressive at all in the response. Quite constructive in fact, it interests me that this contract buyout thing has been tried before and clearly led to a lot of problems.
It is too confrontational and of course will lead to some grey ethics like late snatches.
When I view the transfer season last year there was a lot of late money floating about with middle of the road riders going for large amounts of money just because teams had money to spend. Which I suppose it what market forces are all about! But I am trying to think of other things for people to spend their hard earned money on - I agree that people that succeed in their goals should be rewarded.
A lot of the best riders currently come from teams being just disbanded. Maybe it would be best if those riders had a process whereby a team could step in and take over the contract negotiations for that particular rider. Lets for example take Ikea - Vanspreybrouk, Albert, Taaramae and Alarcon ride for them and if they disbanded then of course teams would be climbing over each other to sign them. But what about the results they gained in the previous season, they are forgotten in the melee.
How about some sort of agency to be set up whereby a select say 10 (in total) of these riders from disbanded teams could be have a sort of draft in which you get a signing fee auction for the picks.
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Next idea I had which I think has been floated around before is about continental races with a small amount of teams. With the lengthy stage races like Tachira, Columbia and America this may be seen as acceptable. But it does suck to see 5 stage and some classics have so few teams in. One of the biggest problems is the lack of attacking riding and the peleton rides around in a bunch for the whole stage.
Also it seems a bit frustrating too see teams getting five or six of their squad in the top 25 - I believe there is a race towards the end of the year with just four sqauds in and that means that all but three riders will score points just for turning up!
I was thinking that a couple of U23 squads (that do not gain experience points) could be set up to increase the numbers in races past 60 (i.e. at least 8 full 7 man squads) for every race. These teams would not have great riders in and would only be formed after the transfer season for the purpose of filling space. Of course these teams could well take part in breaks and even conceivably win stages or even place riders in the top 25. |
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| Kami |
Posted on 28-11-2010 10:08
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About Ricco. My actual plan was to get Van Garderen + a stage racer for my team. But during the transfer period i got ill and was away for a few days. In that time, the deal for Cataldo (which i also contacted Levi for) got sealed. At the same time Van Garderen already went up another 50k, and i don't think Wikipedia was running out of cap at that moment.
So actually one of my only choices left was Ricco, as i needed a puncheur and a climber. And seeing i was up against another new CTteam, it was my best chance to get a rider like that.
It wasn't even my plan to go over 700.000 for Ricco and wanted more or less a team with Goss, Kirchen type riders (subtop).
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