Jesleyh wrote:

Well, personally, I try to pay much attention to these minor teams, so I'd certainly be interested.

TankNL wrote:
My 2 cents in the discussion;

contsupreme wrote:



Did I just read someone saying that alaphillipe has only 63 flat and 65 sprint. Are you on drugs or something/

sgdanny wrote:

Rider	Before Ardennes	After Ardennes	Final / Average
Alejandro Valverde	82	82	82
Joaquim Rodriguez	81	81	81
Phillipe Gilbert	81	81	81
Daniel Martin	81	81	81
Michal Kwiatkowski	81	79	80
Simon Gerrans	80	80	80
Daniel Moreno	80	80	80
Daniel Moreno	80	80	80
Rui Costa	79	80	79,5
Sergio Henao	79	80	79,5
Richie Porte	78	80	79
Roman Kreuziger	78	79	78,5
Domenico Pozzovivo	78	78	78
Tom Slagter	78	78	78
Jakob Fuglsang	77	79	78
Simon Spilak	77	79	78
Diego Ulissi	79	76	77,5
Jelle Vanendert	78	77	77,5
Julian Alaphilippe	74	81	77,5
Romain Bardet	77	78	77,5
Carlos Betancur	78	76	77
Bauke Mollema	78	76	77
Giampaolo Caruso	77	77	77
Enrico Gasparotto	77	77	77
Wilco Kelderman	77	77	77
Ion Izagirre	76	78	77
Louis Meintjes	73	78	75,5

The Schleck Fan wrote:
Whaaaat? Porte 80 after Ardennes while Kwiatkowski and Kreuziger 79,Henao,Costa,Moreno and Gerrans 80?And Gilbert,Rodriguez,D.Martin at 81 while Porte at 80?With 80 he will even be higher than Contador in HL,which is not true,as Conta should be higher than Porte.

Tafiolmo wrote:

Well Vanendert finished 34th at Amstel and 22nd at LBL, or are you saying that his crash at FW affected him at LBL like it did with Gilbert? But even then his low placing at AG was not great, as he's done well at that race before.

MartijnVDD wrote:

He crashed at Amstel as well.

Tafiolmo wrote:


I didn't know he crashed there, so I guess he worth 79 hill at least.

sgdanny wrote:
Okay might aswell put my opinion on the table and I still think that riders under 30 shouldn't decline by great lenghts, as fact is that some riders just get better without the rider actually losing his abillities. Though this is the pcm perspective, the one perspective of you guys is that such changes are possible if a rider doesn't perform.

So the best way of solving this is in my opinion to compare former results to new result and find the average stat that the rider needs to do the result in pcm and still be competitive to that of the real world.

An example would be Kwiatkowski being a 81 hill in the db, but his results this year was on 79, which means that I would put him at 80. This means that he isn't as strong compared to last year, but will still be strong enough to deserve 81 again, as Kwiatkowski is likely to deserve that through coming results.

Rider	Before Ardennes	After Ardennes	Final / Average
Alejandro Valverde	82	82	82
Joaquim Rodriguez	81	81	81
Phillipe Gilbert	81	81	81
Daniel Martin	81	81	81
Michal Kwiatkowski	81	79	80
Simon Gerrans	80	80	80
Daniel Moreno	80	80	80
Daniel Moreno	80	80	80
Rui Costa	79	80	79,5
Sergio Henao	79	80	79,5
Richie Porte	78	80	79
Roman Kreuziger	78	79	78,5
Domenico Pozzovivo	78	78	78
Tom Slagter	78	78	78
Jakob Fuglsang	77	79	78
Simon Spilak	77	79	78
Diego Ulissi	79	76	77,5
Jelle Vanendert	78	77	77,5
Julian Alaphilippe	74	81	77,5
Romain Bardet	77	78	77,5
Carlos Betancur	78	76	77
Bauke Mollema	78	76	77
Giampaolo Caruso	77	77	77
Enrico Gasparotto	77	77	77
Wilco Kelderman	77	77	77
Ion Izagirre	76	78	77
Louis Meintjes	73	78	75,5

I have included results from Down Under, P-N and Pais Vasco into the comparison. Some will have xx,5 and generally could be either in the end. Before Ardennes is their stat before the races, After Ardennes is the stat given if they were to finish the same in the game and Final Average is the average of these two numbers.

The Schleck Fan wrote:
I think PCM should implement a 3rd stat which is mixed between Mo and Hl.P-N and Catalunya are not that hilly and 77 would be fine imo.And the field in TDU was very weak.