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Posted on 03-10-2021 16:17
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Yep. Van der Poel didn’t look fresh for me compared to Colbrelli. |
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Posted on 03-10-2021 16:19
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I dunno why they use the front finish, you can recognize nobody from the front. they all look the same 
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Posted on 03-10-2021 16:19
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I love Roubaix!
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11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant."
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Posted on 03-10-2021 16:19
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Not the most deserved victor, but well played by Colbrelli.
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Posted on 03-10-2021 16:20
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Colbrelli winning Paris-Roubaix was not something I predicted last winter.
Edit: Just passed Pozzovivo as most successful rider from Colnago/Bardiani?
Edited by baseballlover312 on 03-10-2021 16:21
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Posted on 03-10-2021 16:21
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This feels like Vanmarcke 2013, great ride from a young rider but starts the sprint too soon and the experienced rider wins it.
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Posted on 03-10-2021 16:24
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Ollfardh wrote:
This feels like Vanmarcke 2013, great ride from a young rider but starts the sprint too soon and the experienced rider wins it.
I guess if you finish 2nd in a sprint vs. Colbrelli and VdP, that's already a fantastic result. I think he needed an attack from further away - which he tried, but well...
As it was said before, VdP probably did too much work, and Colbrelli knew he "just" had to arrive with the two others, and he'd beat them in 90% of the cases probably.
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Posted on 03-10-2021 16:25
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In all honesty he actually showed a lot of initiative during the race, just saved himself in a small portion.
Deserving in my view.
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| matt17br |
Posted on 03-10-2021 16:29
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Lmao. Rode the toughest race in the world in the mud for 6h with impeccable tactics. Finishing this race alone makes you a deserving winner.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 03-10-2021 16:33
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Colbrelli was definitely a deserving winner. He saved himself in the most grueling cobbled portions because he is not a pure cobbler. It would have been poor strategy. He worked plenty elsewhere. Don't see an issue.
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Posted on 03-10-2021 16:43
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He was on stellar form all year long and due a big one. Have to watch the race later on.
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 04-10-2021 10:49
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As for Israel Start-Up Nation leader, Vanmarcke, well he suffered horrendous luck with three punctures, two bike changes and a crash, eventually ending up in 23rd place, 6:21 down on Colbrelli. It was a missed opportunity for the Belgian, who said that he was in great shape on the day.
Says all about Vanmarckes race really...
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 04-10-2021 11:40
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Croatia14 wrote:
As for Israel Start-Up Nation leader, Vanmarcke, well he suffered horrendous luck with three punctures, two bike changes and a crash, eventually ending up in 23rd place, 6:21 down on Colbrelli. It was a missed opportunity for the Belgian, who said that he was in great shape on the day.
Says all about Vanmarckes race really...
The sad thing is that after editing the team name, you could use this post for any of his last 7 years.
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Posted on 04-10-2021 12:02
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Ollfardh wrote:
jandal7 wrote:
Think I’m out of the loop (or it’s 4am and my memory sucks), can someone explain the Colbrelli hate?
Not really hate, but his wheelsucking makes him the least popular of the three.
Also, slightly suspicious performances this year. Not accusing, but I never seen such improvements that late in a career.
Colbrelli is just 31. Plenty of riders have gotten their best results late in their career. Jakob Fuglsang didn't really have any results until he got 2nd in the olympics at the age of 31. After that he won the Dauphine twice, won Liege-Bastogne-Liege and Giro di Lombardia and podiumed Fleched Wallone, Amstel Gold Race, Tour of Switzerland, Poland Tour aswell as getting strong stagewins.
Michael Woods took a significant leap in quality around 30-31 aswell.
I aknowledge that Colbrelli have had a great season, but he wasn't exactly worthless in the past. He already did well in Milano San Remo in 2014 (very solid allround season), 3rd in Amstel in 2016 and was 10th in Ronde van Vlanderen (should have done better) in 2017 aswell as winning Brabantse Pijl.
He has done well in most cobbled aswell as semihilly races if you take a look at his palmares.
If it wasn't for the Paris-Roubaix win I wouldn't say this season have been significantly stronger than the past 6-7.
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| SotD |
Posted on 04-10-2021 12:24
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Colbrelli winning Paris-Roubaix was not something I predicted last winter.
Edit: Just passed Pozzovivo as most successful rider from Colnago/Bardiani?
Easily, I also think he was better before the P-R. But I guess it also depends what you call succesful. I mean, Pozzovivo has a number of Giro top 10s, but what else does he have? He rode a total of 372 Grand Tour stages, and only managed to win 1. He never really performed outside of Italy (a few stages and a GC I think) - and even in Italy he wasn't that much of a performer. He has a couple of decent results in LBL and Lombardia which moves him up a bit, but else it's mainly Giro GC results.
I would probably say Ciccone is already pretty close to being equally strong. He tapped out of 10th and 12th GC in Giro and Vuelta this season, but already have more stagewins and KOM results - also a good one day performer in general aswell as a couple of days in yellow at TdF two seasons ago.
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Posted on 04-10-2021 12:46
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SotD wrote:
Ollfardh wrote:
jandal7 wrote:
Think I’m out of the loop (or it’s 4am and my memory sucks), can someone explain the Colbrelli hate?
Not really hate, but his wheelsucking makes him the least popular of the three.
Also, slightly suspicious performances this year. Not accusing, but I never seen such improvements that late in a career.
Colbrelli is just 31. Plenty of riders have gotten their best results late in their career. Jakob Fuglsang didn't really have any results until he got 2nd in the olympics at the age of 31. After that he won the Dauphine twice, won Liege-Bastogne-Liege and Giro di Lombardia and podiumed Fleched Wallone, Amstel Gold Race, Tour of Switzerland, Poland Tour aswell as getting strong stagewins.
Michael Woods took a significant leap in quality around 30-31 aswell.
I aknowledge that Colbrelli have had a great season, but he wasn't exactly worthless in the past. He already did well in Milano San Remo in 2014 (very solid allround season), 3rd in Amstel in 2016 and was 10th in Ronde van Vlanderen (should have done better) in 2017 aswell as winning Brabantse Pijl.
He has done well in most cobbled aswell as semihilly races if you take a look at his palmares.
If it wasn't for the Paris-Roubaix win I wouldn't say this season have been significantly stronger than the past 6-7.
But Fuglsang and Woods always had the rider profile to win these races. Colbrelli went from punchy sprinter to climber (that Tour stage and following Evenepoel in the EC) and top cobbler in like 1 year.
Not saying it's impossible, he's tacticaly really strong and obviously lost some weight, but it's hard to think of another rider who could do this. Hushovd comes to mind but he never climbed that well
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Posted on 04-10-2021 12:58
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SotD wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
Colbrelli winning Paris-Roubaix was not something I predicted last winter.
Edit: Just passed Pozzovivo as most successful rider from Colnago/Bardiani?
Easily, I also think he was better before the P-R. But I guess it also depends what you call succesful. I mean, Pozzovivo has a number of Giro top 10s, but what else does he have? He rode a total of 372 Grand Tour stages, and only managed to win 1. He never really performed outside of Italy (a few stages and a GC I think) - and even in Italy he wasn't that much of a performer. He has a couple of decent results in LBL and Lombardia which moves him up a bit, but else it's mainly Giro GC results.
I would probably say Ciccone is already pretty close to being equally strong. He tapped out of 10th and 12th GC in Giro and Vuelta this season, but already have more stagewins and KOM results - also a good one day performer in general aswell as a couple of days in yellow at TdF two seasons ago.
Very handy page & tables
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...successors
Stefano Zanini & Roberto Pagnin as early pace setters for the team. Fabrizio Guidi dashing past as with many results for the team. Biagio Conte got some good results as well. This 96-98 period was a strong one for the team.
Emanuelle Sella, Maxi Richeze & Guillermo Bongiorno all staked claims for a period around '08.
Then the Pozzo era also with Modolo.
Now onto Colbrelli who's clear of everyone, but of course most of his results come elsewhere.
But in terms of best Colango/Bardiani rider - Alessandro Petacchi by a long distance. (was his first Pro team, 96-99)
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| whitejersey |
Posted on 04-10-2021 13:18
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Why are you talking about Colbrelli as if he has gone from GC guy to cobbler in 3 months?
GVA and Sagan have also done stuff that is akin to what Colbrelli has done this year.
Ben O'Connor put 5'30 into him on the Tignes stage this year. He's obviously a smart rider and as mentioned by SotD has decent results in the past like Brabantje Pijls, also the state of the race would have been vastly different had Luke Rowe not pulled a move that would have seen him banned for solid chunk of time in a lot of other sports.
I also fully agree with Matt's statement, there's nothing suspicious about this.
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| SotD |
Posted on 04-10-2021 14:18
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Ollfardh wrote:
But Fuglsang and Woods always had the rider profile to win these races. Colbrelli went from punchy sprinter to climber (that Tour stage and following Evenepoel in the EC) and top cobbler in like 1 year.
Not saying it's impossible, he's tacticaly really strong and obviously lost some weight, but it's hard to think of another rider who could do this. Hushovd comes to mind but he never climbed that well
Colbrellis has always been one of the best climbing sprinters. Hell even Thor Hushovd climbed well in the 2011 Tour de France when he beat the likes of Moncoutie, Roy and Pineau on the Lourdes stage. A couple of days later he tossed Hesjedal, Perez etc. to victory in Gap.
I agree that the stage to Tignes on paper was far to difficult for him, but he didn't exactly get close to the win either. O'Connor smashed him by more than 5 minutes, and he was almost caught by the elite climbers. Had he finished that stage in 10th no one would have noticed. In the Saint-Gaudens stage he finished with Michael Matthews, Perichon, Bonnamour and Aranburu. Is it significantly more surprising than when Magnus Cort won in Carcassone a couple of years ago, beating the likes of Izagirre, Mollema, Majka and Pozzovivo?
In 2019 Colbrelli won Gran Premio Bruno Beghelli ahead of Valverde, Haig, Gaudu and Martin. I think there are solid evidence of Colbrelli being among the top 5 best climbing sprinters in the world.
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Also how can it surprise you that a rider this competent in long enduring races AND cobbles, and in a killer form can ride a top result in Paris-Roubaix? I didn't have him as a winner, but a top 5 candidate for sure.
His cobbled results are pretty strong, and have been for a rather long time:
Winner Paris-Roubaix (2021)
Winner Benelux Tour (2021)
3rd Kuurne - Bruxelles - Kuurne (2018)
4th Gent - Wevelgem (2021)
6th Kuurne - Bruxelles - Kuurne (2021)
6th Binck Bank Tour (2020)
7th E3 Harelbeke (2017)
7th Kuurne - Bruxelles - Kuurne (2020)
8th Omloop Het Nieuwsblad (2018)
10th Ronde van Vlaanderen (2017)
And I have probably missed a bunch since he has been riding a ton of italian races (very succesfully).
I mean. From the top 10 he's hardly the one that surprises me the most. Vermeersch in 2nd is a significantly bigger surprise. As is Boivin and Haussler (The latter being good years ago though).
Edited by SotD on 04-10-2021 14:30
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Posted on 04-10-2021 14:24
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SotD wrote:
Ollfardh wrote:
But Fuglsang and Woods always had the rider profile to win these races. Colbrelli went from punchy sprinter to climber (that Tour stage and following Evenepoel in the EC) and top cobbler in like 1 year.
Not saying it's impossible, he's tacticaly really strong and obviously lost some weight, but it's hard to think of another rider who could do this. Hushovd comes to mind but he never climbed that well
Colbrellis has always been one of the best climbing sprinters. Hell even Thor Hushovd climbed well in the 2011 Tour de France when he beat the likes of Moncoutie, Roy and Pineau on the Lourdes stage. A couple of days later he tossed Hesjedal, Perez etc. to victory in Gap.
I agree that the stage to Tignes on paper was far to difficult for him, but he didn't exactly get close to the win either. O'Connor smashed him by more than 5 minutes, and he was almost caught by the elite climbers. Had he finished that stage in 10th no one would have noticed. In the Saint-Gaudens stage he finished with Michael Matthews, Perichon, Bonnamour and Aranburu. Is it significantly more surprising than when Magnus Cort won in Carcassone a couple of years ago, beating the likes of Izagirre, Mollema, Majka and Pozzovivo?
In 2019 Colbrelli won Gran Premio Bruno Beghelli ahead of Valverde, Haig, Gaudu and Martin. I think there are solid evidence of Colbrelli being among the top 5 best climbing sprinters in the world.
Definitely! It's really the combination of both following Evenepoel on a long climb and following Mathieu on the cobbles that gives me a red flag. If he'd done only one of those, I wouldn't question him.
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