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21 and Done - April Draft
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 02-11-2018 09:51
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21 and Done - Kick-Off Draft
| 1 | jaxika | Egan Bernal | | 2 | kandesbunzler26 | Remco Evenepoel | | 3 | TheManxMissile | Julius van den Berg | | 4 | trekbmc | Marc Hirschi | | 5 | jandal7 | Robert Stannard | | 6 | FreitasPCM | Bjorg Lambrecht | | 7 | Shonak | Jhonatan Narváez | | 8 | Croatia14 | Iván Ramiro Sosa | | 9 | df_Trek | Stan Dewulf | | 10 | redordead | Tadej Pogačar | | 11 | cio93 | Jasper Philipsen | | 12 | Aquarius97 | Mikkel Bjerg | | 13 | hillis91 | Alan Banaszek | | 14 | Ollfahrd | to come… | | 15 | AbhishekLFC | Max Kanter | | -- | ----------- | | | 16 | AbhishekLFC | Pascal Eenkhorn | | 17 | Ollfahrd | to come… | | 18 | hillis91 | Mark Donovan | | 19 | Aquarius97 | Brandon McNulty | | 20 | cio93 | Thymen Arensman | | 21 | redordead | Dušan Rajović | | 22 | df_Trek | Pavel Sivakov | | 23 | Croatia14 | Thomas Pidcock | | 24 | Shonak | Mikkel Frølich Honoré | | 25 | FreitasPCM | Gino Mäder | | 26 | jandal7 | Bram Welten | | 27 | trekbmc | Nicola Conci | | 28 | TheManxMissile | Ethan Hayter | | 29 | kandesbunzler26 | Alexys Brunel | | 30 | jaxika | Julius Johansen |
jaxika wrote:
Bring it one more round (and maybe let choose TMM another rider for 2nd pick).
That is how we are going to do it: There will be a 3rd round, the draft ranking will be drawn rather sooner than later.
TMM is allowed to change his 2nd pick until the 3rd round starts if he wants to.
Edited by Croatia14 on 07-11-2018 12:42
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 02-11-2018 11:32
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I'll change Aidan for Ethan Hayter. Ok he'll be at Sky but as he's not an obvious GC talent he should still get chances to develop and deliver in a few years. (The first rider on my list would actually have been Brunel  But Ethan will do).
And you shouldn't just do one round, as it won't be fairly balanced. Either do two or none, to keep it fair for all.
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 07-11-2018 14:44
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Okay guys, the draw will come today Prepare to start the next round tomorrow on the 8th of November on 21:21 
@TMM: balance is fair as outcomes on this draw will influence scores in the next draw. This will already happen for this draw, as Pick #1 and #30 obviously is better than #15 and #16.
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| redordead |
Posted on 07-11-2018 14:53
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Hmm, who to pick next?
"I am a cyclist, I may not be the best, but that is what I strive to be. I may never get there, but I will never quit trying." - Tadej Pogačar
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 07-11-2018 15:26
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Croatia14 wrote:
Okay guys, the draw will come today Prepare to start the next round tomorrow on the 8th of November on 21:21
@TMM: balance is fair as outcomes on this draw will influence scores in the next draw. This will already happen for this draw, as Pick #1 and #30 obviously is better than #15 and #16.
Can you explain how this draw effects the Round 4+ draw? And how the 1-2 draw affects the Round 3 draw?
Because the whole point of a serpentine draft (ABCCBA) is that it is fair, so whilst #1 gets an advantage that is canceled out by being #30 to total 31, with #15 + #16 also totalling 31.
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 07-11-2018 15:45
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Can you explain how this draw effects the Round 4+ draw? And how the 1-2 draw affects the Round 3 draw?
Quoted from rules:
Draft System:
- Different system for kick-off draft than for future draft
- Randomized numbers (1-1000) determine draft ranking
- Each draft new draw of positions
- High pick in last round -> lower chance of high number in next round (lower range to reach up high f.e. 1-700)
E.g. in the draft the top competitors from last round will be handed a slight malus on the possible draft range. Each according to their positions. High draft positions will have a decreasing effect on the next couple of drafts.
TheManxMissile wrote:Because the whole point of a serpentine draft (ABCCBA) is that it is fair, so whilst #1 gets an advantage that is canceled out by being #30 to total 31, with #15 + #16 also totalling 31.
Yes of course, but the serpentine draft is only completely fair if objective gaps are equal between every pick, which they obviously aren't in this draft pool.
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 08-11-2018 00:19
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Kick-Off Draft Round 3 - The Draw
Draft Order:
| 31 | df_Trek | | 32 | jandal7 | | 33 | AbhishekLFC | | 34 | cio93 | | 35 | Shonak | | 36 | redordead | | 37 | Ollfahrd | | 38 | Croatia14 | | 39 | FreitasPCM | | 40 | kandesbunzler26 | | 41 | Aquarius97 | | 42 | jaxika | | 43 | TheManxMissile | | 44 | trekbmc | | 45 | hillis91 |
Spoiler I'd like a feedback of Ollfahrd whether he'll take his picks, otherwise he'll be skipped for this draft 
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| Aquarius97 |
Posted on 08-11-2018 00:30
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Oh yes, so lucky again... (joking)
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| AbhishekLFC |
Posted on 08-11-2018 05:09
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Just keep the reverse of this draft when we have Round 4 and I guess it'll be fair (redraft for Rounds 5 and 6 if they also happen at the same time)...
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| FreitasPCM |
Posted on 08-11-2018 07:06
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I don’t even have a five rider shortlist now. This is looking good for me to random pick. |
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| df_Trek |
Posted on 08-11-2018 10:45
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ouch, I'm first in the wrong moment
I can manage to take my choice around midnight/1 am (Rome/Paris/Amserdam time)
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| df_Trek |
Posted on 09-11-2018 00:22
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I'm really groping in the dark, no idea on who to choose...
Spoiler Michael Storer
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| redordead |
Posted on 09-11-2018 07:25
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df_Trek wrote:
I'm really groping in the dark, no idea on who to choose...
Spoiler Michael Storer
Very good pick I think
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 09-11-2018 09:14
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Yeah Storer surely best rider available in terms of obvious talent shown on high level
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| jandal7 |
Posted on 09-11-2018 09:29
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Great pick df, had no idea he was still eligible and so shocked he made it this far.
Tough choice for me (guys we let Menten turn 22 last week, we're all stupid!) but despite the lack of elite racing I'm swayed by climbing talent, a MTB skillset and an impossibly French name and so with the 32nd pick of the inaugural 21 and Done draft, jandal doth select
Spoiler
Clément Champoussin
24/02/21 - kandesbunzler said “I don't drink famous people."
15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant."
[ICL] Santos-Euskadi | [PT]  Xero Racing
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| FreitasPCM |
Posted on 09-11-2018 10:05
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Storer actually performed better than Hindley this year and I had no idea he was younger than him.  |
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| AbhishekLFC |
Posted on 09-11-2018 17:11
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Well, it was a tough choice for me between two riders, a climber/puncher and a sprinter/classics guy. In the end, I chose the former as my third round pick and someone who I hope will make a step up in 2019...
Spoiler Jaoa Almeida
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| cio93 |
Posted on 09-11-2018 17:39
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Ah screw you.
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 09-11-2018 17:49
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funnily he was not in my Top15 for my next pick...
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| FreitasPCM |
Posted on 09-11-2018 19:51
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Best pick so far  |
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