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PCMdaily DB Stat Discussion
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| matt17br |
Posted on 26-08-2014 17:26
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admirschleck wrote:
ACC in PCM is about how long can someone sprint, not about how fast they can accelerate. Guy with 80/80 should sprint few hundred meters more on full gas than someone who has 80/70 f.e..
Thank you for the explanation, never thought about that 
So, after this I think that the majority of acc stats suit, but I still think of a +1 acc for kristoff. |
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 26-08-2014 17:28
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No, sorry, I messed up, they actually accelerate to full speed faster, not sprint longer. Apologizes once again.
So, f.e. 80/80 guy would reach his top speed at 1 km, while 80/70 would do so in 1,5 km (just an example and comparation, isn't really like this). 
Edited by admirschleck on 26-08-2014 17:28
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| matt17br |
Posted on 26-08-2014 17:30
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admirschleck wrote:
No, sorry, I messed up, they actually accelerate to full speed faster, not sprint longer. Apologizes once again.
So, f.e. 80/80 guy would reach his top speed at 1 km, while 80/70 would do so in 1,5 km (just an example and comparation, isn't really like this).
Dafuq! It would have been the first time in my life that I go wrong.
As always I'm right.  
Of course just kidding.
Edited by matt17br on 26-08-2014 17:35
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 26-08-2014 17:44
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Oh, I didn't know it was already answered.
Was just doing a test to show it indeed affects acceleration(since PCM13)
Gave 3 guys exactly the same stats, except for ACC(left has 70ACC, middle has 85ACC and right has 55ACC)
Started their attack at the same moment, this is after 200m, I believe.
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Edited by Jesleyh on 26-08-2014 17:45
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| matt17br |
Posted on 26-08-2014 21:04
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Jesleyh wrote:
Oh, I didn't know it was already answered.
Was just doing a test to show it indeed affects acceleration(since PCM13)
Gave 3 guys exactly the same stats, except for ACC(left has 70ACC, middle has 85ACC and right has 55ACC)
Started their attack at the same moment, this is after 200m, I believe.
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No need to do more now
Very interesting, thank you.
Btw, there isn't that much difference.
Just wondering, what were the daily forms of the 3 riders? |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 26-08-2014 21:39
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Not entirely sure tbh, as said, only did a quick test.
Don't forget it was just 200m and the back rider will likely profit from a slipstreamish effect.
In the end, their topspeeds are all the same, it's the time it takes them to get kn their topspeeds is different.
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| matt17br |
Posted on 26-08-2014 21:56
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Still, want Modolo on 79 sp, think it's better for him, this year he was great, and you should really take in account TT and PRL suggestions, (F.E. Phinney really doesn't deserve 80 PRL...)
Edited by matt17br on 26-08-2014 21:57
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 26-08-2014 22:14
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matt17br wrote:
Still, want Modolo on 79 sp, think it's better for him, this year he was great, and you should really take in account TT and PRL suggestions, (F.E. Phinney really doesn't deserve 80 PRL...)
Why? He hasn't done anything cause he's been injured.
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| matt17br |
Posted on 27-08-2014 08:59
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Reserved for shit I only know about, for questions, I don't care lol.
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| gravus |
Posted on 27-08-2014 13:39
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Sprint:
Kittel/Cav - 83
Degenkolb/Kristoff/Gorilla - 81
Bouhanni - 80
Matthews/Demare - 79
Sagan - 75 |
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| vmanstar |
Posted on 27-08-2014 13:41
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Am I the only one who thinks Magnus Cort is underrated? As far as I know, he has absolutely dominated the Continental races this season, which is why Orica signed him.
EDIT: I am both thinking about his starting stats and potential.
Edited by vmanstar on 27-08-2014 13:43
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 27-08-2014 13:42
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gravus wrote:
Sagan - 75
Okay, that's whole another level of hating Sagan...
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| Naskela |
Posted on 27-08-2014 13:43
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gravus wrote:
Sprint:
Kittel/Cav - 83
Degenkolb/Kristoff/Gorilla - 81
Bouhanni - 80
Matthews/Demare - 79
Sagan - 75
Kristoff Sprint: 81 Acceleration: 78 Hill: 73 Cobble: 77
Degenkolb Sprint: 80 Acceleration: 79 Hill: 74 Cobble: 79
You're being a bit harsh with Sagan  They are driving for Gatto in the Vuelta and Sagan is not even in his best form now, my guess he aborts next week to get ready for the WC
Edited by Naskela on 27-08-2014 13:46
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| zachbastian |
Posted on 27-08-2014 13:50
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vmanstar wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks Magnus Cort is underrated? As far as I know, he has absolutely dominated the Continental races this season, which is why Orica signed him.
EDIT: I am both thinking about his starting stats and potential.
I agree with you. Cort is a coming man. He will win races on the Pro Tour in the years to come! |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 27-08-2014 14:04
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matt17br wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
matt17br wrote:
Still, want Modolo on 79 sp, think it's better for him, this year he was great, and you should really take in account TT and PRL suggestions, (F.E. Phinney really doesn't deserve 80 PRL...)
Why? He hasn't done anything cause he's been injured.
Don't think so.
He won 7 races this year and was very good at T.D.P., though he was almost injured, then 8th at Milano-Sanremo, but he wasn't in excellent shape. Maybe he doesn't deserve 79, but at least a better acc..
At tour de suisse took a great win in front of riders like Degenkolb, Sagan, Kristoff etc.
This was his greatest win this year, another two good wins were at the Spanish trophies of begin of the season.
I was talking about Phiinney
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 27-08-2014 14:16
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I think Modolo 78 SPR is perfect |
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| gravus |
Posted on 27-08-2014 14:19
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Naskela wrote:
gravus wrote:
Sprint:
Kittel/Cav - 83
Degenkolb/Kristoff/Gorilla - 81
Bouhanni - 80
Matthews/Demare - 79
Sagan - 75
Kristoff Sprint: 81 Acceleration: 78 Hill: 73 Cobble: 77
Degenkolb Sprint: 80 Acceleration: 79 Hill: 74 Cobble: 79
You're being a bit harsh with Sagan They are driving for Gatto in the Vuelta and Sagan is not even in his best form now, my guess he aborts next week to get ready for the WC
Sagan is even slower than Vanmarcke(look at P-R). Still he could get some 2nd places in a game (as he never wins). |
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| matt17br |
Posted on 27-08-2014 17:07
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Reserved for something unecxpectedddd
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| Cossack |
Posted on 27-08-2014 20:29
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gravus wrote:
Naskela wrote:
gravus wrote:
Sprint:
Kittel/Cav - 83
Degenkolb/Kristoff/Gorilla - 81
Bouhanni - 80
Matthews/Demare - 79
Sagan - 75
Kristoff Sprint: 81 Acceleration: 78 Hill: 73 Cobble: 77
Degenkolb Sprint: 80 Acceleration: 79 Hill: 74 Cobble: 79
You're being a bit harsh with Sagan They are driving for Gatto in the Vuelta and Sagan is not even in his best form now, my guess he aborts next week to get ready for the WC
Sagan is even slower than Vanmarcke(look at P-R). Still he could get some 2nd places in a game (as he never wins).
Looking just at P-R is stupid, what if he just got not that much energy left after 270 km? Same like M-SR: usually the rider with best stamina wins the sprint, not just the actual best sprinter.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 27-08-2014 20:29
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You say that TVG's "support stats" are better than Pinot's, but I just checked, and besides TT, that is completely untrue. Pinot's are better.
And how many stat changes were made in the V1.2? I'm noticing a 79 mtn for Majka, I believe that wasn't there before. And shouldn't be IMO.
Edited by baseballlover312 on 27-08-2014 20:31
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