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Le Tour de France 2014 - Stage 19 - Maubourguet Pays du Val d'Adour - Bergerac
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| Dusen |
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Anderis wrote:
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And then he rides for garmin one of the most boring teams in the pro tour.
LOL. Yeah. Garmin are the definition of boringness. Who else in the peloton would be boring enough to put in the breakaway from the very beginning of the last stage of one week race a rider who sits 3rd overall (Dauphine)? And win the race against stronger rider that way?
Who else would be boring enough to destroy the peleton through continous attacks on a TdF stage that nothing was supposed to happen? (stage 9 TdF2013)
Who else would be boring enough to be consistently putting half of the team in a breakaway every single day through their superagressive tactics? (USA Pro Challenge 2012)
Not to mention an awesome team-work during races like Tour de Pologne 2010, Paris-Roubaix 2011, LBL 2013, Hesjedal constant attacks on this year's Giro etc. If there's one team in the peleton with enough balls to prevent the race from being boring, it's Garmin.
Btw. Navardauskas. 
I was kinda angry he tried to attack, I thought he had a good chance for a top5 place from a bunch sprint there and it should be rather someone like Bauer who should try to attack. But I'm gladly proven wrong!
Lol. The fact that you have to write up all their "achievements" kinda says a lot about the team.
To me there is just zero interesting riders. Ofc. i can understand if an American would think otherwise but why is it that people can't accept that i feel the way i do.
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valverde321 wrote:
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Navardauskas is one of most likeable riders in the peloton, simply because he's an all-arounder, a versatile rider, he can punch very well, he can sprint very well, he can ride on flat very well, he has some great time-trial and prologue abilities and rides for Garmin, who gives him a chances to attack and sprint now and then, which makes him even more awesome. Then, he also comes from a non-cycling country, which also makes him a little bit cooler.
Therefore, he simply can't be and isn't a boring rider.
He is boring to me. And in the end that will always be an individual matter wheater you agree on these things or not
The way he rides his bike is simply just god awful.
Apparently thats no problem for you, but that bend over style he has jumps straight into my eyes, and i can't handle it.
Not many riders sit up on their bike when they are challenging for the win.
And I dont see how Garmin is boring at all, unless you mean they are likely one of the cleaner teams in the peloton and that makes them boring to you.
Lol. Do you actually notice how he always sits on the bike? It's not only in a tense final mate.
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Posted on 25-07-2014 19:06
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Awesome win by Navardauskas but can I just say those aero road helmets look like hell! Not a fan!  |
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fosforgasXIII wrote:
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Then who do you think isn't a "boring rider"?
Nibali - Brave rider who goes for every chance he has in a race
Pinot - stupidly bad on a downhill, but an aggressiv rider
Aru - Young rider with plenty of confidence in himself to try and attack
Contador - A cloude hangs over him from 2010 beef case, but the man knows how to open a race and fights to the very end to win.
De Marchi - Always on the lookout for a win even though he knows he most likely won't be the strongest in the breakaway
Jens Voigt - It's always 100% with him
This was only a small sample of some of the riders i enjoy watching.
There will always be riders that are less interesting for different fan groups allow me to dislike Navadauskas and again, allow me to think him and his team is boring.
The reaction i got from some people in here, because i posted a comment that didn't fall into their way of thinking suprises me. Surely one should have the right to express his discomfort with a certain rider or team if one feels like it and not risk getting on the hate train from the whole community.
Edited by Dusen on 25-07-2014 19:12
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| Anderis |
Posted on 25-07-2014 19:17
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Dusen wrote:
Lol. The fact that you have to write up all their "achievements" kinda says a lot about the team.
To me there is just zero interesting riders. Ofc. i can understand if an American would think otherwise but why is it that people can't accept that i feel the way i do.
It really is quite silly isn't it ?
Yes, it is quite silly.
I'm not an American. I'm Polish.
And it's not about the amount and quality of achievements (FYI, I didn't wirte all of their achievements, I've omitted some obvious ones like Giro win, because it was not arguing about them being successfull, but about not being boring) but about the way how were they achieved. If one say Garmin is a boring team, then anything can be said about anyone, because Garmin has been one of the most aggressive teams in recent years and they've achieved some wins through very untypical and exciting way of riding.
I struggle to think of any other team which would have enough balls to play the stage 8 of Dauphine 2014 or stage 9 TdF 2013 the same way Garmin played. And there are plenty of things that can be said to discredit Garmin team, but to name them boring is just a pure act of hate or trolling. |
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Dusen wrote:
fosforgasXIII wrote:
@Dusen
Then who do you think isn't a "boring rider"?
Nibali - Brave rider who goes for every chance he has in a race
Pinot - stupidly bad on a downhill, but an aggressiv rider
Aru - Young rider with plenty of confidence in himself to try and attack
Contador - A cloude hangs over him from 2010 beef case, but the man knows how to open a race and fights to the very end to win.
De Marchi - Always on the lookout for a win even though he knows he most likely won't be the strongest in the breakaway
Jens Voigt - It's always 100% with him
This was only a small sample of some of the riders i enjoy watching.
There will always be riders that are less interesting for different fan groups allow me to dislike Navadauskas and again, allow me to think him and his team is boring.
The reaction i got from some people in here, because i posted a comment that didn't fall into their way of thinking suprises me. Surely one should have the right to express his discomfort with a certain rider or team if one feels like it and not risk getting on the hate train from the whole community.
You seem to think attacking is exciting, but you call Garmin boring after they attack 4 times, 3 in the final 15 km.
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Anderis wrote:
Dusen wrote:
Lol. The fact that you have to write up all their "achievements" kinda says a lot about the team.
To me there is just zero interesting riders. Ofc. i can understand if an American would think otherwise but why is it that people can't accept that i feel the way i do.
It really is quite silly isn't it ?
Yes, it is quite silly.
I'm not an American. I'm Polish.
And it's not about the amount and quality of achievements (FYI, I didn't wirte all of their achievements, I've omitted some obvious ones like Giro win, because it was not arguing about them being successfull, but about not being boring) but about the way how were they achieved. If one say Garmin is a boring team, then anything can be said about anyone, because Garmin has been one of the most aggressive teams in recent years and they've achieved some wins through very untypical and exciting way of riding.
I struggle to think of any other team which would have enough balls to play the stage 8 of Dauphine 2014 or stage 9 TdF 2013 the same way Garmin played. And there are plenty of things that can be said to discredit Garmin team, but to name them boring is just a pure act of hate or trolling.
COME ON.
That Dauphine was just a pure giveaway from Contador and Froome.
Talansky took the gift and won the race, respect for that, but lets not make it more than what it is. |
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Dusen wrote:
fosforgasXIII wrote:
@Dusen
Then who do you think isn't a "boring rider"?
Nibali - Brave rider who goes for every chance he has in a race
Pinot - stupidly bad on a downhill, but an aggressiv rider
Aru - Young rider with plenty of confidence in himself to try and attack
Contador - A cloude hangs over him from 2010 beef case, but the man knows how to open a race and fights to the very end to win.
De Marchi - Always on the lookout for a win even though he knows he most likely won't be the strongest in the breakaway
Jens Voigt - It's always 100% with him
This was only a small sample of some of the riders i enjoy watching.
There will always be riders that are less interesting for different fan groups allow me to dislike Navadauskas and again, allow me to think him and his team is boring.
The reaction i got from some people in here, because i posted a comment that didn't fall into their way of thinking suprises me. Surely one should have the right to express his discomfort with a certain rider or team if one feels like it and not risk getting on the hate train from the whole community.
You seem to think attacking is exciting, but you call Garmin boring after they attack 4 times, 3 in the final 15 km.
Yes ofc.
I believe most people think that it is? But the thing is they where bouncing around like a bunch of headless chickens in that final and got lucky that most of the chase group crashed 1.5 - 2 km. before the line.
They can't leave the tour with no results so ofc. they tried something, but it doesn't change my opinion about them. I haven't seen them make any efforts in this race really, besides Bauers mission impossible and their win today.
Well yeah, they probably have done more, but the execution have been so poor that it simply haven't been worth remembering  |
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Posted on 25-07-2014 19:31
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Dusen wrote:
That Dauphine was just a pure giveaway from Contador and Froome.
Talansky took the gift and won the race, respect for that, but lets not make it more than what it is.
The point was that Talansky was in that breakaway. It was very ballsy move. I'm sure most of other teams would rather take a safe 3rd in the bag than put a rider into the early breakaway and risk failing outside the top10. Especially if it was a guy for who 3rd place would be one of the best achievements in his career anyway. And it's not a boring way of racing. It was one of the most exciting things any team has done this year at the WT level. And it was not the first time Garmin took the risk that many other teams would've found unnecessary. That's why I find the "boring Garmin" thing inappropriate. I believe you wouldn't cause that kind of reaction if you've simply admitted that you just don't like them.
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Posted on 25-07-2014 19:33
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Dusen wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
Dusen wrote:
fosforgasXIII wrote:
@Dusen
Then who do you think isn't a "boring rider"?
Nibali - Brave rider who goes for every chance he has in a race
Pinot - stupidly bad on a downhill, but an aggressiv rider
Aru - Young rider with plenty of confidence in himself to try and attack
Contador - A cloude hangs over him from 2010 beef case, but the man knows how to open a race and fights to the very end to win.
De Marchi - Always on the lookout for a win even though he knows he most likely won't be the strongest in the breakaway
Jens Voigt - It's always 100% with him
This was only a small sample of some of the riders i enjoy watching.
There will always be riders that are less interesting for different fan groups allow me to dislike Navadauskas and again, allow me to think him and his team is boring.
The reaction i got from some people in here, because i posted a comment that didn't fall into their way of thinking suprises me. Surely one should have the right to express his discomfort with a certain rider or team if one feels like it and not risk getting on the hate train from the whole community.
You seem to think attacking is exciting, but you call Garmin boring after they attack 4 times, 3 in the final 15 km.
Yes ofc.
I believe most people think that it is? But the thing is they where bouncing around like a bunch of headless chickens in that final and got lucky that most of the chase group crashed 1.5 - 2 km. before the line.
They can't leave the tour with no results so ofc. they tried something, but it doesn't change my opinion about them. I haven't seen them make any efforts in this race really, besides Bauers mission impossible and their win today.
Well yeah, they probably have done more, but the execution have been so poor that it simply haven't been worth remembering
You seem to be completely biased against Garmin for no apparent reason, you say one thing and then another that completely contradicts it. (like saying you dont like Navadauskas because of his riding style but then say you like Voigt despite the fact his style is 100x worse)
I think we would be better served ignoring him anyway, arguing with him will be a waste of time anyway. 
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Anderis wrote:
Dusen wrote:
That Dauphine was just a pure giveaway from Contador and Froome.
Talansky took the gift and won the race, respect for that, but lets not make it more than what it is.
The point was that Talansky was in that breakaway. It was very ballsy move. I'm sure most of other teams would rather take a safe 3rd in the bag than put a rider into the early breakaway and risk failing outside the top10. Especially if it was a guy for who 3rd place would be one of the best achievements in his career anyway. And it's not a boring way of racing. It was one of the most exciting things any team has done this year at the WT level. And it was not the first time Garmin took the risk that many other teams would've found unnecessary. That's why I find the "boring Garmin" thing inappropriate. I believe you wouldn't cause that kind of reaction if you've simply admitted that you just don't like them.
Risk?
He took of because Contador had no team mates left, and Froome refused to put his to work. If you don't go at that point then you are a moron.
That at least, is something i can't accuse Garmin of being. And the only reason that stage truly got exciting was because Contador decided to go for it on his lonesome. |
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ryant wrote:
You seem to be completely biased against Garmin for no apparent reason, you say one thing and then another that completely contradicts it. (like saying you dont like Navadauskas because of his riding style but then say you like Voigt despite the fact his style is 100x worse)
I think we would be better served ignoring him anyway, arguing with him will be a waste of time anyway.
I believe one can find a contradiction in most things if one looks hard enough.
Surely Jens Voigt's style i god awful, but he brings so much more to the table. |
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Dusen wrote:
Anderis wrote:
Dusen wrote:
That Dauphine was just a pure giveaway from Contador and Froome.
Talansky took the gift and won the race, respect for that, but lets not make it more than what it is.
The point was that Talansky was in that breakaway. It was very ballsy move. I'm sure most of other teams would rather take a safe 3rd in the bag than put a rider into the early breakaway and risk failing outside the top10. Especially if it was a guy for who 3rd place would be one of the best achievements in his career anyway. And it's not a boring way of racing. It was one of the most exciting things any team has done this year at the WT level. And it was not the first time Garmin took the risk that many other teams would've found unnecessary. That's why I find the "boring Garmin" thing inappropriate. I believe you wouldn't cause that kind of reaction if you've simply admitted that you just don't like them.
Risk?
He took of because Contador had no team mates left, and Froome refused to put his to work. If you don't go at that point then you are a moron.
That at least, is something i can't accuse Garmin of being. And the only reason that stage truly got exciting was because Contador decided to go for it on his lonesome.
He took off early in the morning, way before Contador had no teammates left.
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Posted on 25-07-2014 19:45
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Dusen wrote:
Risk?
He took of because Contador had no team mates left, and Froome refused to put his to work. If you don't go at that point then you are a moron.
That at least, is something i can't accuse Garmin of being. And the only reason that stage truly got exciting was because Contador decided to go for it on his lonesome.
Risk.
At the time when he decided to join the break, nobody knew what would the stage look like later. It could well look like Talansky cooked himself working in the breakaway that would've got caught and he would've lost his good GC place. Nobody could know that wouldn't be the case.
For me the stage was exciting before Contador decided to go for it on his lonesome. Even Polish comentators had started the TV relation with "There are some very interesting things ongoing." and that was before Contador dropped Froome.
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ryant wrote:
I think we would be better served ignoring him anyway, arguing with him will be a waste of time anyway.
what you all are arguing about is not worth arguing about. Dusen is defending his opinion and the rest are forcing their opinion on him.
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Fine. He wheelsucks his team mate and other favorites team mates (AG2R) up until the last 2 small climbs. Don't see it being much of a risk really.
Cause bassicly all the favorites are in the group with him.
I don't care what commentators say, they are supposed to hype things up, its their job. Fact and the matter is, that the stage really exploded when Contador went on his own. Before that it was just a sad handover to number 3 in the GC.
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Dusen wrote:
Fine. He wheelsucks his team mate and other favorites team mates (AG2R) up until the last 2 small climbs. Don't see it being much of a risk really.
So Kwiatkowski was wheelsucking Martin whole stage in Vosges until penultimate climb and then he wasn't taking any risk, even tough in the end he lost 3 minutes as a result?
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Cossack wrote:
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Fine. He wheelsucks his team mate and other favorites team mates (AG2R) up until the last 2 small climbs. Don't see it being much of a risk really.
So Kwiatkowski was wheelsucking Martin whole stage in Vosges until penultimate climb and then he wasn't taking any risk, even tough in the end he lost 3 minutes as a result?
He lost 3 min because he simply doesn't have any mountain legs.
It's been proven in several stage races that when the mountains gets long he gets in trouble.
It was a smart move by QuickStep cause he would have lost 10 min if he had stayed in the peloton. |
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Dusen wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
Dusen wrote:
fosforgasXIII wrote:
@Dusen
Then who do you think isn't a "boring rider"?
Nibali - Brave rider who goes for every chance he has in a race
Pinot - stupidly bad on a downhill, but an aggressiv rider
Aru - Young rider with plenty of confidence in himself to try and attack
Contador - A cloude hangs over him from 2010 beef case, but the man knows how to open a race and fights to the very end to win.
De Marchi - Always on the lookout for a win even though he knows he most likely won't be the strongest in the breakaway
Jens Voigt - It's always 100% with him
This was only a small sample of some of the riders i enjoy watching.
There will always be riders that are less interesting for different fan groups allow me to dislike Navadauskas and again, allow me to think him and his team is boring.
The reaction i got from some people in here, because i posted a comment that didn't fall into their way of thinking suprises me. Surely one should have the right to express his discomfort with a certain rider or team if one feels like it and not risk getting on the hate train from the whole community.
You seem to think attacking is exciting, but you call Garmin boring after they attack 4 times, 3 in the final 15 km.
They can't leave the tour with no results so ofc. they tried something, but it doesn't change my opinion about them. I haven't seen them make any efforts in this race really, besides Bauers mission impossible and their win today.
Their main goal for this Tour fell on Talansky's shoulders. He crashed out and Garmin improvised very well. Stage win, numerous breakaways and attacks, Top 5 stage finishes and all that with 7 riders, their 2 best gone. Its not like their team was filled with potential stage winners like Tinkoff.
Do you find BMC, Lampre, Lotto, Belkin, Trek, Cofidis, Orica, IAM, NetAPP or Bretagne, boring too?
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Posted on 25-07-2014 20:39
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Kids, please start to agree that you don't agree at this point. Dusen doesn't like Garmin others do. Dusen likes eg Contador, other don't.
I don't like some teams, riders and riders from specific countries, but sometimes I can't really explain why, it's just a feeling.
So grow up, move on, and all go to bed early to be in shape to post another shitload of comments here at tomorrows ITT !
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