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The Frustration Thread 2012
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 21-08-2012 13:33
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
The game with patch 1.3.0.0 works very well
No it does not... 
Well ive played upto 2014 with no real problems
The mountian AI can be rubbish, but for me its 70/30 in favour of good AI
Sprints seem to work, again 70/30 in favour of good AI
Sponsors works, variants work, tansfers work (as far as cyanide transfers work)
of course its not perfect but its perfectly playable
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 01-09-2012 20:54
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Just crashed the CrashReporter....
because my stage editor crashed for the 1000th time because i wanted to click file when it first opened....
"oh wait, file>open is that waht you want well here you go feel free to have ....... HAHAHAHAHAHA you motherfucker i wont open for you cause your a dickhead MWAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA"
I swear the stage editor is just out to annoy me
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| SweatyViking |
Posted on 03-09-2012 17:25
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Why the fuck is there sprinters in all breaks on flat stages?
1st stage of the TDU, the break: Mondory, Viviani, Bandiera, Ligthart, Vigano.
That's the breakaway  |
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| fred947a |
Posted on 05-09-2012 19:28
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My Movistar career crashed 1 week before The Vuelta. Can't get it to work now!!!!!!€!€:!,' |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 05-09-2012 19:32
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fred947a wrote:
My Movistar career crashed 1 week before The Vuelta. Can't get it to work now!!!!!!€!€:!,'
reload a weekly save from before the crash
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| jseadog1 |
Posted on 08-09-2012 02:59
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
The game with patch 1.3.0.0 works very well
No it does not...
Well ive played upto 2014 with no real problems
The mountian AI can be rubbish, but for me its 70/30 in favour of good AI
Sprints seem to work, again 70/30 in favour of good AI
Sponsors works, variants work, tansfers work (as far as cyanide transfers work)
of course its not perfect but its perfectly playable
Looks like we have to deal with it anyways now.
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| MartijnVDD |
Posted on 08-09-2012 07:56
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SweatyViking wrote:
Why the fuck is there sprinters in all breaks on flat stages?
1st stage of the TDU, the break: Mondory, Viviani, Bandiera, Ligthart, Vigano.
That's the breakaway
Yeah, that's what's bugging me too. Same goes for GC contenders.
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| happywheels_eap |
Posted on 08-09-2012 08:22
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127 in the peloton on the end og la vuelta stage 20. I hope pcmdaily fix this to next time!
[img]https://imageshack.us/f/40/pcm0085q.png/[/img]
Edited by happywheels_eap on 08-09-2012 08:23
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| SweatyViking |
Posted on 08-09-2012 08:48
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What DB is this? |
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Posted on 24-11-2024 08:17
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| happywheels_eap |
Posted on 08-09-2012 08:56
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| jordynoel789 |
Posted on 09-09-2012 19:32
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i so angry on cyanide
i am riding TDF with nibali
and when i attacked with nibali i measured the time between evans and nibali (it was 2minutes when i crossed the line ) and in the result it says that evans came in with the group in front of him ( who had more than 30 seconds on evans his group)
in another stage i am 13 seconds after evans and it counts
i like pcm
but the time measures suck hard
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| KayZeroX |
Posted on 10-09-2012 12:47
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Martyr1777 post was very nice, ty sir.
If i had read this sooner i would not have posted my noobish tread in the tech section.
martyr1777 wrote:
@TheManxMissile: The collision detection (solid rider model) is one of the faults though. They implemented it without the AI having the capability of making their way through the pack. You see AI making attacks while they are locked up in the middle and literally don't go anywhere. If the peloton is moving slow on a narrow road then it is in fact impossible for riders to move to the front because there is a solid front line that is impenetrable. As I've said, I've started races and watched a break get 3 minutes out by the time I had any of my possible break riders or chasers to the front. Then there are the times you see the collision detection completely ignored as we see riders go right through each other regularly, or even points when a rider gets stuck behind -1- other rider and doesn't go left or right around them because the AI fails.
Maybe this helps to release some of the steam for you:
In real life cycling "blocking" is a known tactic, and is ususally done so only a small group can breakaway, wich can be controlled the rest of the race. (usually 2 or 3 sprint teams will block the road, and really you can shout as hard as you want, they will not let you pass, so you'll have to wait till the road/or situation let's you, in real life this is very frustrating, so it's a realistic frustration in this game.)
*The Tactic to disturb a sprint train of your opponents is also a known tactic in real life cycling. Alltough in real life not many will have the balls to try this tactic...
Being stuck behind another rider in the mid of the pack is actually a realistic feature, but in real life this only happens maybe 1 in 10 races that a rider is that unlucky/foolish.
So i agree with Martyr1777 [solid riders] wrote: "the path finding is terrible and it can completely prevent you from performing anything in certain circumstances."
Martyr1777 wrote: Its how the AI comes to those results that is annoying. Probably the worst part being when the breakaway suddenly just sit up when they have a 4-5 minute lead and is -not- being chased. It's like, ok, why'd they attack in the first place
One reason could be they all suddenly realised that their form of the day is really bad (-5)
Another reason could be that one guy in the group is a huge favorite to win that race, and the thers in the group will not ride anymore, and neither will the huge favorite, conclusion: breakaway died. (Not sure if the game actually "thinks" like that -but that's what my imagination tells me- if that situation happens in my career)
martyr1777 wrote:
And i still feel that whatever improvements they've made do not constitute two new full releases, they are nothing more then patches imo. I say that just because the game play feels exactly the same as 2010.
My last game was also PCM10, but i will never play that game again, PCM12 is better in every way. Offcourse cyanide should begin thinking about your (last) sentence > Martyr1777 wrote: "Just think the game has much more potential and honestly Cyanide are wasting it"
Edited by KayZeroX on 10-09-2012 13:06
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| KayZeroX |
Posted on 10-09-2012 12:59
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Jordynoel789 wrote:
i so angry on cyanide
i am riding TDF with nibali
and when i attacked with nibali i measured the time between evans and nibali (it was 2minutes when i crossed the line ) and in the result it says that evans came in with the group in front of him ( who had more than 30 seconds on evans his group)
in another stage i am 13 seconds after evans and it counts
i like pcm
but the time measures suck hard
LOL
so wHat iS the deal with those "time measures"...why is not possible to have them 100% correct, like in a race game...0.001 sec behind the leader!
[Flat/Hill/Mountain finnish stages all have different time gap measurements]
On stages with finnish on flat (or downhill) the time gaps must be significant. It has to do with the gap in meters (only large gaps are counted as a gap?) is what i always believed, can anybody help with this ?
(Never tried it out, but what happens if i would edit (timegap) a flat stage to mountain finnish stage...how exactly will this effect the time gaps compare to the originals?)
Edited by KayZeroX on 10-09-2012 13:05
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| roturn |
Posted on 10-09-2012 13:09
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It was possible in PCM11 and older to change the time gap. So you could have smaller gaps even on flat races.
In PCM12 you can`t change this as it`s defined in the stages and is automatically read by the game...
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| KayZeroX |
Posted on 10-09-2012 18:45
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thanks for that quick answer Roturn, and bummer bout those time measurements...ah well some day the game will have Swiss clockwork.
(tough it is much fun to fight for couple of seconds on other stages then mountain stages, in real life this only happens when a huge accident has happend or weather having a role, maybe even large group of riders unable to follow the peleton wich make the peleton break in two - It is frustrating to see your hardwork and much needed 30 second gap vanish into oblivion) |
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| fred947a |
Posted on 10-09-2012 18:59
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In PCM 2010 I also tried to play a stage in le Tour with Andy, and then I somehow, after putting the speed to x8, on the early hills, i am in front of the race with my helper, Contador and his helper. We get to the finish line (without helpers) 5 minuts before everybody else. I do'nt know how we got such a big gap suddenly. I've been wondering... |
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| KayZeroX |
Posted on 10-09-2012 19:08
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Rest of peleton probably thought you were crazy and let you go on purpose, then realising at the finnishline you selected "easy"
Definitely too easy for you |
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| bernard75 |
Posted on 11-09-2012 22:33
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At least one of the db developers has a sense of humor:
www.worldcupfancamp.com
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| miggi133 |
Posted on 12-09-2012 14:22
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ok, I have a pretty frustrating one.
I was gearing up for the Tour 2012 in my US Postal Career, with Van Garderen set to be co leader with Peraud.
TVG was racing in the Tour de Suisse, and fell on a flat stage fractured his hip and was out till the end of July. At that stage he was 3rd in the overall of the TdS... Furthermore in that stage, one of my main team mates set to ride the TDF (Stetina) falls as well crahes out, and missed the start of the tour.
SO i had to change my whole strategy... The only rider that was somewhat on form to ride anything was Brajkovic, but since i wasnt sure about his form, I devided co-captaincy between Monfort and Peraud.
Monfort had some decent finishes on the Flat stages, racking up points for the green jersey here and there (never that much though) when we tried to defend Perauds Yellow Jersey (won in the Prologue) and Talanskys white jersey. First day in the mountains, Talansky looses 7 minutes and has to give the jersey to Quintana (Movistar).Peraud looses 4 and so do Brajko and Monfort. After the first mountain stage I relized there was no GC to be won here... Yet, it was the only time my riders really lost a lot of time...
After the Alps the big surprise then. Albasini secured the mountain jersey for us, and racked up quite an amount of points in the pyrenees, with Bonnafond always in the margin of 10 points max...
Meanwhile through various top10 finishes in the mountains (and thanks to the intermediate sprint rules) Monfort conqured green. Thanks to the Timetrial Peraud moved to 5th in GC and Monfort to 7th...
Lets jump to the days all went wrong. On the last moiúntain stage Albasini was always second to Bonnafond and lost the mountain jersey by one point. One Jersey gone. Monfort came out with a mere 45point lead over cav after the mountains. realitic chances were there especially with the time trial. Of course, Monfort didnt score any points in the TT as he had a bad day (defended his 7th in gc though) and entered the champs with 5 points over cav. Cav obviously wins in Paris and takes the green jersey on the very last stage!
Meanwhile, Quintana lost more than 11 minutes on the last few flat stages (i really wonder how!) and Talansky reclaims white on the last day of the tour (being 30th in GC and loosing close to 7 minutes twice)
By the way, Evans lost the Tour in the Time Trial to Samuel Sanchez (he went in with a 1 second lead and lost it by more than 35 seconds) while schleck nor Gesing ever managed to catch me off guard and thus they had to settle for 8th and 9th in GC...
Now thats the stuff Hollywood Blockbusters are made of!
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 12-09-2012 16:48
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bernard75 wrote:
At least one of the db developers has a sense of humor:
What's up with that? 
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