There's no way you can think about that when you crash during a mass sprint.
Also it would be very difficult to make yourself small when your bike is still attached to your feet.
kumazan wrote:
Sagan almost killed three or four guys.
agreed. what the hell was he doing rolling over into the bunch. he should be kicked out for that. it was careless, stupid, dangerous.
if renshaw gets disqualified for headbutting on the grounds that it could cause injury to others then Sagen should get the same for that.
I can't imagine Sagan did that on purpose. How are you supposed to control your bike when you crash at 60 km/h?
he might not have meant to bring down 5 riders, if he did then he should be banned for life.
but the first rule of crashing in a bunch is make yourself small. he had stopped moving and was on his back and then, for a reason known only to himself, decided to roll over with his bike still attached to his feet. as a result his bike was thrown into the oncoming bunch and caused what could be serious injury to a number of riders.
it was stupid and dangerous and the last time i checked dangerous riding was a punishable action.
i don't have a problem, i just don't like seeing dangerous and stupid riding.
and at the end of the day if it was a rider like cavendish then everyone would be jumping on his back and saying how dangerous he is like at the tour of switzerland last season even though haussler was at just as much fault.
If you look at the slow-down at 3:20 it is obvious that he did the roll over on purpose. But also you can see that he didn't do it to hit the riders because he didn't saw them.
Lachi wrote:
If you look at the slow-down at 3:20 it is obvious that he did the roll over on purpose. But also you can see that he didn't do it to hit the riders because he didn't saw them.
i don't think that anyone thinks he intended to bring down half the bunch, but throwing his bike around like that was stupid, reckless and dangerous.
as such he should be punished for endangering other riders needlessly.
He did it on purpose, that's quite easy to see. It wasn't his intention (I guess) to bring down those 3/4 riders, but that was a negligent move. I don't know if it's enough to DQ him (opposed to Renshaw intentionally headbutting Dean), but he should at least be fined.
To me it just looks like he looks back, seeing a Lampre guy amongst others coming at him, and so he instinctively throws his bike to the other side without thinking about the possibility of there being riders on the other side of him. I really don't think he should be DQ'ed, because it was not intentional to endanger others, but a smaller fine would be okay with me, so would it if nothing happened as well.
BenBarnes wrote:
Thor wears a live rattlesnake as a condom.
There is no way that happens on purpose. Sorry, no-one is that quick witted. When a bike is detached from a rider the momentum remains almost unchanged and the weight is reduced down to 15 lbs. Increasing speed. New found speed and the awkward shape of the bicycle sends it flying any such direction.
Earlier this year going into the last lap there was a crash on an uphill the guy stopped almost immediately when he hit the ground, his bike flew all the way across the road and hit me. Did he try to hit me? no. When you crash in a race, you have no control.
schleck93 wrote:
To me it just looks like he looks back, seeing a Lampre guy amongst others coming at him, and so he instinctively throws his bike to the other side without thinking about the possibility of there being riders on the other side of him.
If Sagan is to blame, its for his lack of thinking rather than any sort of intention - he does seem to kick his bike away from him, probably to get untangled from it, but not thinking through that he was simply kicking it at other riders.
What he did wasn't the best thing to do in that exact situation, that's pretty obvious. But it's not really easy to think straight when you've just crashed at 60+km/h. Most people would be trying their best not to get hit by anyone, so I assume that's why he reacted the way he did. In my opinion this isn't enough to cause a disqualification. Disqualifications from crashes doesn't happen too often, the only time I can think of right now is from the Tour Down Under 2 or 3 years ago. I can't remember the exact situation but I think I remember that it was Rigotto who caused Hayman to crash. I'm also pretty sure that was much nastier than what Sagan did today.
Levi4life wrote:
There is no way that happens on purpose. Sorry, no-one is that quick witted. When a bike is detached from a rider the momentum remains almost unchanged and the weight is reduced down to 15 lbs. Increasing speed. New found speed and the awkward shape of the bicycle sends it flying any such direction.
Earlier this year going into the last lap there was a crash on an uphill the guy stopped almost immediately when he hit the ground, his bike flew all the way across the road and hit me. Did he try to hit me? no. When you crash in a race, you have no control.
True - but if you watch the video posted above, he's sat on his backside at this stage after the crash and looks more to be kicking the bike away in disgust.
I think differently, to me it looks like he saw some riders comming at him and tried to get out of the way. And as Levi4life wrote, the bike still had some momentum which made it fly to the right (or left from the camera view)
Yeah I think Sagan did it on purpose, but perhaps he was just trying to avoid the guys who were coming up on the side he was already lying on, and misjudged how far awy they really were in the heat of hte moment. I can't imagine he meant to cause a crash like that - there would be no purpose to doing so as it would be as much a risk to those of his teammates around.
It looks more like Sagan's bike gets tangled up in Maes bike as Maes is trying to pass on the barrier. Rather than Kicking it looks like Sagan's bike is jerked away from him by Maes. Maes was already making contact with Sagan's bike before the "kick" if you look close at the overhead shot.
Edited by Levi4life on 09-03-2011 01:13
