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| Riis123 |
Posted on 28-07-2015 12:39
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Honestly, I dont really care, Spain really needs it badly after especially Euskaltel closeed 
Yep, Nibali needs to get back to his old instead of turning the clock back to Ulle/Armstrong, so damn boring. He seems to resemble Ulle more due to his lazyness, unfortunately... Anyways, interesting to see what Astana does in the Tour next year then. Aru definetely isnt the rider capable of winning the Tour and Fugl can net a Mochema-style top-10, at best. |
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 28-07-2015 12:43
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Shonak wrote:
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I am not. Olympics race looks well suited for a rider like him and he cant really combine it with Tour...
Of course he can, some of them quite successfully at both (Ulrich, Sammy Sanchez, WigginsTT, FroomeTT)
@TSF: Yeah he is. looking forward to that. Olympic Road Race is always special. 
Well, Sammy was 7th at that Tour, so i am speaking about going for the win+Olympics. Also i dont buy biggest dopers of history as good examples, even more when it is TT win for two of these mate. 
Its the same case for Vuelta + WC almost. No, you dont see Vuelta winners win the WC, but thats more a case of the routes being easy than them being tired or whatever. Bring on a hard, mountanious route and I'll assure you that those who performed well in the mountains in the 3rd week will be up there in the Olympics
Bottom line: If you are good enough, its easily doable and I for one wouldnt discount Contador like we all did in 2013 |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 28-07-2015 15:10
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Riis123 wrote:
Honestly, I dont really care, Spain really needs it badly after especially Euskaltel closeed
I get that but a team run by a guy who happily and admitted to referring cyclists to Fuentes for the express purpose to dope then no, it's not what Spanish cycling needs. I'd be happier seeing another sponsor stepping up with Caja Rural or something along those lines but Saiz coming back in a recipe for disaster.
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| Wilier |
Posted on 28-07-2015 17:55
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They are indeed. Don't know the exact length.
Also, Savio let his riders sign an agreement last year to pay a €100.000,- fine if they tested positive. Apparently the riders didn't get the message.
Edited by Wilier on 29-07-2015 10:56
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| ryant |
Posted on 28-07-2015 18:00
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Strydz wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
Honestly, I dont really care, Spain really needs it badly after especially Euskaltel closeed
I get that but a team run by a guy who happily and admitted to referring cyclists to Fuentes for the express purpose to dope then no, it's not what Spanish cycling needs. I'd be happier seeing another sponsor stepping up with Caja Rural or something along those lines but Saiz coming back in a recipe for disaster.
Mind me asking, but who was Saiz associated last then?
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 28-07-2015 18:17
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Strydz wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
Honestly, I dont really care, Spain really needs it badly after especially Euskaltel closeed
I get that but a team run by a guy who happily and admitted to referring cyclists to Fuentes for the express purpose to dope then no, it's not what Spanish cycling needs. I'd be happier seeing another sponsor stepping up with Caja Rural or something along those lines but Saiz coming back in a recipe for disaster.
On the hand other, rather happily admitting that than what 90% of the others DS at that point who just didnt admit anything?
Im totally fine with it either thing, all I know is we need other big spanish team. |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 28-07-2015 18:25
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Riis123 wrote:
Strydz wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
Honestly, I dont really care, Spain really needs it badly after especially Euskaltel closeed
I get that but a team run by a guy who happily and admitted to referring cyclists to Fuentes for the express purpose to dope then no, it's not what Spanish cycling needs. I'd be happier seeing another sponsor stepping up with Caja Rural or something along those lines but Saiz coming back in a recipe for disaster.
On the hand other, rather happily admitting that than what 90% of the others DS at that point who just didnt admit anything?
Im totally fine with it either thing, all I know is we need other big spanish team.
Well then we might aswell welcome Bruyneel back into the sport
But yes I do agree with you that we need another big Spanish squad, I just wish it could have a fresh start thats all
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| Cyclotron |
Posted on 28-07-2015 21:08
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Wilier wrote:
They are indeed. Don't know the exact length.
Also, Savio let his riders sign an agreement last year to pay a €100.000,- fine if they tested positive. Apparently the riders didn't get the message.
There is a passage in the 2015 CIRC report, that fits perfectly on Androni in this aspect. It's a shame that this team still exists.
It also appears that team organised doping is more likely still to take place at lower levels of competition, where anti-doping efforts are less concentrated. The Commission was told of a team below the UCI WorldTour recently involved in doping. It was claimed that the team manager and sports director brought a nutritionist into the team who advised a selected group of riders within the team on a doping programme. The instructions were to administer 1000 ml of EPO Zeta every second day after 11pm at night, and alternate in the winter with HGH and Lutrelef, a hormone. Their haematocrit levels were to be tested every third day, and amounts of EPO Zeta reduced to 500 ml as the season approached. The nutritionist owned a gym, through which substances were procured from Eastern Europe. Other riders were said to have procured substances via a hospital and a pharmacy more locally. It was further explained that the team manager was also a senior person in a prominent anti-doping movement, and had later on introduced strong antidoping clauses in the team contracts, including the imposition of significant fines for anyone caught doping.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 28-07-2015 21:26
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Lol no way Savio runs a team wide doping program. He likes to hire ex-dopers but thats because they're cheap for the attention they get.There is no way the team can afford a doping program anyways. Plus he's not stupid. See how he refused and refused di Luca when il Killer was doing everything to ride a final Giro in 2013 even though there's nothing savio loves more than guys who bring money.
These are clear cases of individualists who are trying to keep their career going but cant do so clean. They're not only bad rideers but also stupid as fuck for not going to a decent doctor who can prevent them from getting caught.
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 28-07-2015 21:51
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ryant wrote:
Strydz wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
Honestly, I dont really care, Spain really needs it badly after especially Euskaltel closeed
I get that but a team run by a guy who happily and admitted to referring cyclists to Fuentes for the express purpose to dope then no, it's not what Spanish cycling needs. I'd be happier seeing another sponsor stepping up with Caja Rural or something along those lines but Saiz coming back in a recipe for disaster.
Mind me asking, but who was Saiz associated last then?
He was one of the best managers Cycling has ever seen. He was very involved with the riders and was almost like the Brailsford of back then, except for Team ONCE. (But also very involved with doping)
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 28-07-2015 21:58
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valverde321 wrote:
ryant wrote:
Strydz wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
Honestly, I dont really care, Spain really needs it badly after especially Euskaltel closeed
I get that but a team run by a guy who happily and admitted to referring cyclists to Fuentes for the express purpose to dope then no, it's not what Spanish cycling needs. I'd be happier seeing another sponsor stepping up with Caja Rural or something along those lines but Saiz coming back in a recipe for disaster.
Mind me asking, but who was Saiz associated last then?
He was one of the best managers Cycling has ever seen. He was very involved with the riders and was almost like the Brailsford of back then, except for Team ONCE. (But also very involved with doping)
Good point. Many of these so-called "innovations" Sky come up with now were already introduced in the peloton by Manolo Saiz 20 years ago.
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 28-07-2015 23:07
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Interesting little comparison up Alpe D'huez:
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| Thatguyeveryonehates |
Posted on 28-07-2015 23:27
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Cyclotron wrote:
Wilier wrote:
They are indeed. Don't know the exact length.
Also, Savio let his riders sign an agreement last year to pay a €100.000,- fine if they tested positive. Apparently the riders didn't get the message.
There is a passage in the 2015 CIRC report, that fits perfectly on Androni in this aspect. It's a shame that this team still exists.
It also appears that team organised doping is more likely still to take place at lower levels of competition, where anti-doping efforts are less concentrated. The Commission was told of a team below the UCI WorldTour recently involved in doping. It was claimed that the team manager and sports director brought a nutritionist into the team who advised a selected group of riders within the team on a doping programme. The instructions were to administer 1000 ml of EPO Zeta every second day after 11pm at night, and alternate in the winter with HGH and Lutrelef, a hormone. Their haematocrit levels were to be tested every third day, and amounts of EPO Zeta reduced to 500 ml as the season approached. The nutritionist owned a gym, through which substances were procured from Eastern Europe. Other riders were said to have procured substances via a hospital and a pharmacy more locally. It was further explained that the team manager was also a senior person in a prominent anti-doping movement, and had later on introduced strong antidoping clauses in the team contracts, including the imposition of significant fines for anyone caught doping.
There is also a part that says that team is managed by one of the heads of the MPCC, so it can only be Cofidis or Androni. And Savio says he will sue to impose the fines you mention at the end of your post.
It's Savio. |
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| Thatguyeveryonehates |
Posted on 28-07-2015 23:30
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Spilak23 wrote:
valverde321 wrote:
ryant wrote:
Strydz wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
Honestly, I dont really care, Spain really needs it badly after especially Euskaltel closeed
I get that but a team run by a guy who happily and admitted to referring cyclists to Fuentes for the express purpose to dope then no, it's not what Spanish cycling needs. I'd be happier seeing another sponsor stepping up with Caja Rural or something along those lines but Saiz coming back in a recipe for disaster.
Mind me asking, but who was Saiz associated last then?
He was one of the best managers Cycling has ever seen. He was very involved with the riders and was almost like the Brailsford of back then, except for Team ONCE. (But also very involved with doping)
Good point. Many of these so-called "innovations" Sky come up with now were already introduced in the peloton by Manolo Saiz 20 years ago.
First team to have a team bus, first team to have time trial bikes for training, first team to use wind tunnels, first team to use electronic shifting, first team to train at altitude, first team to use bikes with suspension for cobbles, first team to do many other things.
Also quite mad. One time ran a motorbike off the road with his car. |
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| Malkael |
Posted on 29-07-2015 00:02
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Riis123 wrote:
We need more spanish teams, so on that front, its definetely good (I suppose the team is spanish?)
The team is going to be be based out of Torrelavega, Cantabria - where the sponsor Aldro Energy is located. It is confirmed that former ONCE riders Herminio Diaz Zabala and David Etxebarria will be joining Manolo Saiz as part of the coaching staff on the team.
So far the team have confirmed the signing of promising young riders Pablo Alonso, Miguel Ángel Fernández, Ángel Coterillo, Miguel Ángel Santamaria and Joan Ruiz. The first four from what I know, going off their presentations and such, are Cantabrian riders while J.Ruiz is from the Balearic Islands.
By the start of the 2016 season they are planning to have roughly 20 riders signed up and while Saiz & co have been scouting the Spanish U23 races there could also be some non-Spanish signings as well. The plan is to ride U-23 and Men's Elite (Continental license) races both inside and outside of Spain.
There is where my understanding of Spanish starts to get stretched to its limits but I think Manolo Saiz is looking in to a High-Performance Training Centre... Sir Brailsford better watch out 
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 29-07-2015 07:32
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Given the spanish opinion on doping and the whole corruption atmosphere in spanish sport, i would honestly be glad to never see a spanish cycling team again.
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| Ton1Mart1n |
Posted on 29-07-2015 07:39
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Riis123 wrote:
Honestly, I dont really care, Spain really needs it badly after especially Euskaltel closeed
Yep, Nibali needs to get back to his old instead of turning the clock back to Ulle/Armstrong, so damn boring. He seems to resemble Ulle more due to his lazyness, unfortunately... Anyways, interesting to see what Astana does in the Tour next year then. Aru definetely isnt the rider capable of winning the Tour and Fugl can net a Mochema-style top-10, at best.
Don't agree that Ulle was lazy. Remember his rival was un-fucking-stopable.
Nibalis rivals do have weaknesses, Armstrong did'nt..
“When it’s hurting you, that’s when you can make a difference”
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 29-07-2015 10:23
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No Contador in San Sebastian then. |
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| dark_x2012 |
Posted on 29-07-2015 10:26
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Ton1Mart1n wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
Honestly, I dont really care, Spain really needs it badly after especially Euskaltel closeed
Yep, Nibali needs to get back to his old instead of turning the clock back to Ulle/Armstrong, so damn boring. He seems to resemble Ulle more due to his lazyness, unfortunately... Anyways, interesting to see what Astana does in the Tour next year then. Aru definetely isnt the rider capable of winning the Tour and Fugl can net a Mochema-style top-10, at best.
Don't agree that Ulle was lazy. Remember his rival was un-fucking-stopable.
Nibalis rivals do have weaknesses, Armstrong did'nt..
But Ulle was always arriving at the Tour a couple kilos more then he should have. This guy was insanely talented but never lived up to greatness he deserved, mostly because of his unwillingness to train as hard as possible to be in peak shape |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 29-07-2015 13:45
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Great news
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