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| Strydz |
Posted on 20-03-2015 22:23
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aidanvn13 wrote:
It's sad really. He has the potential, I feel that in these situations it's more a matter of mental boundaries than his physical capabilities.
Why is it sad? I see Dekker as a classic example of a rider who was a beast on the juice and pack fodder of it, there isn't much around to say he really had the natural talent to be a top line pro cyclist
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 21-03-2015 01:10
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Strydz wrote:
aidanvn13 wrote:
It's sad really. He has the potential, I feel that in these situations it's more a matter of mental boundaries than his physical capabilities.
Why is it sad? I see Dekker as a classic example of a rider who was a beast on the juice and pack fodder of it, there isn't much around to say he really had the natural talent to be a top line pro cyclist
so you are saying that all junior years titles came also thank do dope?
Well that is..well. |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 21-03-2015 09:54
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Guido Mukk wrote:
Strydz wrote:
aidanvn13 wrote:
It's sad really. He has the potential, I feel that in these situations it's more a matter of mental boundaries than his physical capabilities.
Why is it sad? I see Dekker as a classic example of a rider who was a beast on the juice and pack fodder of it, there isn't much around to say he really had the natural talent to be a top line pro cyclist
so you are saying that all junior years titles came also thank do dope?
Well that is..well.
There has been plenty of junior champions who haven't progressed into good pro's, also all his good results as a pro was when he was fully juiced so my point stands
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 21-03-2015 09:59
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Strydz wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
Strydz wrote:
aidanvn13 wrote:
It's sad really. He has the potential, I feel that in these situations it's more a matter of mental boundaries than his physical capabilities.
Why is it sad? I see Dekker as a classic example of a rider who was a beast on the juice and pack fodder of it, there isn't much around to say he really had the natural talent to be a top line pro cyclist
so you are saying that all junior years titles came also thank do dope?
Well that is..well.
There has been plenty of junior champions who haven't progressed into good pro's, also all his good results as a pro was when he was fully juiced so my point stands
If I am getting full EPO /CERA service for you...then you will be also top rider? |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 21-03-2015 10:10
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Guido Mukk wrote:
Strydz wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
Strydz wrote:
aidanvn13 wrote:
It's sad really. He has the potential, I feel that in these situations it's more a matter of mental boundaries than his physical capabilities.
Why is it sad? I see Dekker as a classic example of a rider who was a beast on the juice and pack fodder of it, there isn't much around to say he really had the natural talent to be a top line pro cyclist
so you are saying that all junior years titles came also thank do dope?
Well that is..well.
There has been plenty of junior champions who haven't progressed into good pro's, also all his good results as a pro was when he was fully juiced so my point stands
If I am getting full EPO /CERA service for you...then you will be also top rider?
Doubt it but who knows, I might have been a good responder. Also how does that analogy work? I don't have what it takes to be a pro athlete in any way and never showed anything as a junior in a sport sense, I never said he didn't show some promise as an athlete as most pro's who are pack fodder would have to show some promise as you do need to have athletic capability so at least be a pro which Thomas obviously had. What I am saying is he never showed that he had what it takes to be a top level pro as ALL his notable results were from when he was doped to the eyeballs, without it he was pack fodder and his results show that.
Edited by Strydz on 21-03-2015 10:13
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| roturn |
Posted on 22-03-2015 08:09
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Purito won`t start in Catalunya to defend his title.
Seems to have some sort of virus. |
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| aidanvn13 |
Posted on 22-03-2015 09:05
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Strydz wrote:
aidanvn13 wrote:
It's sad really. He has the potential, I feel that in these situations it's more a matter of mental boundaries than his physical capabilities.
Why is it sad? I see Dekker as a classic example of a rider who was a beast on the juice and pack fodder of it, there isn't much around to say he really had the natural talent to be a top line pro cyclist
Well, to perform at that level he obviously needs a fair amount of natural talent, regardless of how juiced up he was. Perhaps not enough to win a GT, but at least enough to be a decent Pro Tour pro. Since he got back I think he had the mentality that he'll never be as good as while on juice. (Which is partly true, but he should at least still be good enough to race WT) m
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| Thatguyeveryonehates |
Posted on 22-03-2015 10:11
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To try to settle this discussion, jonathan vaughters said that a clean Dekker in the best possible form would be at the level of the 2007 Tirreno.
Dekker won the 2007 Tirreno by being with the right break in the hilly stage where most people lost time and then took the lead with a 3rd place in a weak time trial field. Everyone was waiting for the mountain finish the next day to drop him and all the others at the top of the GC, but there was a lot of snow so the mountain stage was cancelled. |
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| cio93 |
Posted on 23-03-2015 19:18
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 23-03-2015 19:20
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CrueTrue has confirmed this it seems.
Am I surprised with Tinkov doing this? Nope. |
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| Atlantius |
Posted on 23-03-2015 19:26
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Apparently because the team doesn't win enough. A controversey that allegedly began under T-A where Tinkov demanded De Jongh degraded because Contador couldn't follow Quintana on the climbs.
Makes me think of Riis' comment under the Tour two years ago: "We can't just inject form into him"...
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| the_hoyle |
Posted on 23-03-2015 19:30
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He wants to win everything and doesn't expect anything less... He is a joke if he thinks that Contador wasn't good enough in T-A. A lot of riders were blown away when Quintana attacked, and I very much doubt the conditions that day didn't help to much with the chase back.
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| Shonak |
Posted on 23-03-2015 19:35
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Atlantius wrote:
Apparently because the team doesn't win enough. A controversey that allegedly began under T-A where Tinkov demanded De Jongh degraded because Contador couldn't follow Quintana on the climbs.
Man, Tinkoff, what a d-bag. He wants Contador to win Giro & Tour but doesn't understand that Bertie has to plan his peak carefully.
Bad news about Riis, but I guess it's what you get when you make your bed with a maniac. He's a fun guy on twitter, but behind every joke there's some truth I guess.
Guido and Strydz probably already sharpening their knives to skin Tinkoff. 
Edited by Shonak on 23-03-2015 19:36
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 23-03-2015 19:56
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So Bjarne Riis didn't dope Contador enough, and Tinkov suspends him for it. 
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| deek12345 |
Posted on 23-03-2015 20:27
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this is what happens when billionaires get involved in sport they want to WIN WIN WIN everything ,happens in football all the time they buy clubs and expect them to win league titles ,champions leagues ,etc etc but sport doesnt work like that . |
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 23-03-2015 20:41
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So if Riis has gone where is Contadope going to get hid dodgy steaks from |
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| DiCyc |
Posted on 23-03-2015 20:43
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Pretty ironic, that a man who created such a team, sold his team and now thrown out of the team? |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 23-03-2015 20:48
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Riis hasn't made any major tactical flaws, and that's all a manager can do. Tinkov is the one who bought these guys, knowing that Sagan was utter crap last year and Contador is getting older. He is more at fault imo. Tinkov's antics are getting to be way out of hand. It's gone beyond a stupid twitter. He has no idea how to properly run a cycling team, and he needs to stop acting like he does. I'd like to see how Tinkoff will fair without Riis.
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 23-03-2015 20:48
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Riis hasn't made any major tactical flaws, and that's all a manager can do. Tinkov is the one who bought these guys, knowing that Sagan was utter crap last year and Contador is getting older. He is more at fault imo. Tinkov's antics are getting to be way out of hand. It's gone beyond a stupid twitter. He has no idea how to properly run a cycling team, and he needs to stop acting like he does. I'd like to see how Tinkoff will fair without Riis.
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 23-03-2015 20:56
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Miguel98 wrote:
CrueTrue has confirmed this it seems.
Am I surprised with Tinkov doing this? Nope.
Not at work today, but it's now been 'confirmed' by so many sources that there's no way it isn't true. |
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