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PCT/CT Rankings Update #9, 10, 11, etc
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 26-02-2015 21:32
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Deadpool wrote:
Scorchio wrote:
Will be crucial to see come seasons end exactly how many promotion slots will become avaialble after the fall-out from the 2 divisions above.
What's the current guestimation for this? It's a five-team promotion, right, plus whatever space opens up from extra teams getting promoted + folding teams in the PCT, right? Or is the size of the PCT not set in stone, so only a couple extra spots will open up? I asked this question about PT-PCT, but realized I didn't ask it for PCT-CT.
Well it adds up across the divisions. Lotto is 1, then there's Hornbach, Kazzinc and Repsol in PCT, so that's 4. That's down to 9th place in CT, plus some more i can't remember off the top of my head right now. Basically 10th/11th are looking good, all depends on how heavy SN's hammer will be
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| Smowz |
Posted on 26-02-2015 21:40
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@Deadpool:
My guess-timation which I quote from previous post.
At the other end PCT to CT - there is some mid range PCT's who look set to disband along with probably one maybe two of the relegated PT teams. Certainly the top 10 of the CT I think could well promote - if their own activity passes the test. Actually it could even go right down to 12th there - it may be a question of whether Boeing can get past the inactive Hornbach for a place perhaps.
That is a guess.
Well it adds up across the divisions. Lotto is 1, then there's Hornbach, Kazzinc and Repsol in PCT, so that's 4. That's down to 9th place in CT, plus some more i can't remember off the top of my head right now. Basically 10th/11th are looking good, all depends on how heavy SN's hammer will be
I'd say Santander, Magna certainly and I would be pretty certain of at least another so that makes top 12 pretty much guarenteed promotion. Quite a big jump the other side of Nordeus who are also of course to be gone. Then we are really digging around - may well turn out to be similar to last year whereby a large portion of the CT are invited to promote. No bad thing there is some great active managers amongst the CT.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 26-02-2015 21:45
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I thought Santander was already in a relegation position so didn't count? But yes it looks to at least go to 10th/11th. After that point its harder to judge at this point, depends on CT manager activity, how many marginal teams disband which in turn is based off various factors.
But once we start jumping inactive CT teams, as i've said, watch out for irate active PCT managers who might miss out by less than 100points and get f*cked with no benefit for activity 
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 26-02-2015 22:55
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Well Santander aren't going to be taking up their position in PCT are they? Hence, new promotion from CT.
If a convincing argument can be made from a non-relegation team for reversing relegation rather than allowing promotion, I may listen. But I don't see what's bad about allowing more managers the chance of a new division.
Can a team who promoted from 17th place really complain if 14th/16th place comes into play for promotion? 
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 26-02-2015 23:18
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Smowz wrote:
@Deadpool:
My guess-timation which I quote from previous post.
At the other end PCT to CT - there is some mid range PCT's who look set to disband along with probably one maybe two of the relegated PT teams. Certainly the top 10 of the CT I think could well promote - if their own activity passes the test. Actually it could even go right down to 12th there - it may be a question of whether Boeing can get past the inactive Hornbach for a place perhaps.
That is a guess.
Somehow I missed this last time. Thanks a lot. Thanks to TMM as well.
SportingNonsense wrote:
If a convincing argument can be made from a non-relegation team for reversing relegation rather than allowing promotion, I may listen. But I don't see what's bad about allowing more managers the chance of a new division.
One possibility, either this year or going forward, would be to only promote the top five teams. Then say if there were four additional opens spots, the top four relegated teams would have the option of either dropping back into the CT (with the next PCT/CT teams stepping up, as happens now) or to try and eke out another year in the PT/PCT for the cost of a tax that got distributed throughout the rest of the division.
It causes a conundrum. Stay up with even less of a chance to remain their next year, or drop down and try and retool for promotion? Just a thought.
EDIT: Oh, and the team could only exercise this options once every, say, three seasons or so.
Edited by Deadpool on 26-02-2015 23:19
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 26-02-2015 23:24
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Complete brain-fail on the Santander thing, my bad.
Can a team who promoted from 17th place really complain if 14th/16th place comes into play for promotion? Pfft
Yes, seeing as no-one relegated then I'm just exploring every avenue available to my team regardless of how unlikely they are. But seeing the way our luck is holding in Faso (and how my luck is blooming in epic) i'm ever more confident of keeping things simple. You won't dampen my positivity or dedication to my team 
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 26-02-2015 23:33
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Nobody relegated, but you did have priority over the relegation teams then. They only got back in because we ran out of teams to promote after Sauber said no, and Risa/ONCE were deemed just active enough to stay in the game, but not enough to deserve promotion.
Deadpool wrote:
One possibility, either this year or going forward, would be to only promote the top five teams. Then say if there were four additional opens spots, the top four relegated teams would have the option of either dropping back into the CT (with the next PCT/CT teams stepping up, as happens now) or to try and eke out another year in the PT/PCT for the cost of a tax that got distributed throughout the rest of the division.
Except that is an awful idea. Why should the first to benefit from disbanding teams be the teams who failed to survive in their division in the first place? It is so much better for the game to give extra teams promotion and the chance to compete at a higher level.
There may well be an argument that it is better to save a team who missed out on survival by 100 points rather than promote a 16th team who were nowhere near promotion, but I prefer to be consistent and to continue to offer the opportunity to go up. But no, you butted in with a crazy idea instead.
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| Scorchio |
Posted on 27-02-2015 01:22
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SportingNonsense wrote:
Nobody relegated, but you did have priority over the relegation teams then. They only got back in because we ran out of teams to promote after Sauber said no, and Risa/ONCE were deemed just active enough to stay in the game, but not enough to deserve promotion.
Deadpool wrote:
One possibility, either this year or going forward, would be to only promote the top five teams. Then say if there were four additional opens spots, the top four relegated teams would have the option of either dropping back into the CT (with the next PCT/CT teams stepping up, as happens now) or to try and eke out another year in the PT/PCT for the cost of a tax that got distributed throughout the rest of the division.
Except that is an awful idea. Why should the first to benefit from disbanding teams be the teams who failed to survive in their division in the first place? It is so much better for the game to give extra teams promotion and the chance to compete at a higher level.
There may well be an argument that it is better to save a team who missed out on survival by 100 points rather than promote a 16th team who were nowhere near promotion, but I prefer to be consistent and to continue to offer the opportunity to go up. But no, you butted in with a crazy idea instead.
To be honest, I could see both sides of this coin; as long as the differentiatior was activity I would have no issue with decision making. The most important thing to me (personally) is prolonged inactivity - my favourite teams now are the PT and PCT teams facing relegation who are still heavily engaged - if this continues after relegation it validates that long term these are the cool kids ( ) who really love the MG community and experience rather than the pot-hunters only interested when things are going their way. So chapeau to you guys (who without hesitation know who you are), and good riddance to those who take things for granted.
Edited by Scorchio on 27-02-2015 01:23
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 27-02-2015 06:51
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Smowz wrote:
@Deadpool:
My guess-timation which I quote from previous post.
At the other end PCT to CT - there is some mid range PCT's who look set to disband along with probably one maybe two of the relegated PT teams. Certainly the top 10 of the CT I think could well promote - if their own activity passes the test. Actually it could even go right down to 12th there - it may be a question of whether Boeing can get past the inactive Hornbach for a place perhaps.
That is a guess.
Well it adds up across the divisions. Lotto is 1, then there's Hornbach, Kazzinc and Repsol in PCT, so that's 4. That's down to 9th place in CT, plus some more i can't remember off the top of my head right now. Basically 10th/11th are looking good, all depends on how heavy SN's hammer will be
I'd say Santander, Magna certainly and I would be pretty certain of at least another so that makes top 12 pretty much guarenteed promotion. Quite a big jump the other side of Nordeus who are also of course to be gone. Then we are really digging around - may well turn out to be similar to last year whereby a large portion of the CT are invited to promote. No bad thing there is some great active managers amongst the CT.
I suppose all will come down to thing, if PT managers that post 50 posts during whole season should be part of the game or not, that is a the question for SN to answer...
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| Margh Norway |
Posted on 27-02-2015 09:49
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tastasol wrote:
Margh Norway wrote:
Thanks for the update, SN!
Awesome that we're still in the battle for 4th. Could turn out a thrilling finale for us at Züri if Risa and Euskaltel are within reach. To make up 40, 50 ranking points is absolutely achievable... even winning our home race isn't insane talk.
You'll probably be ahead, to be honest. Can't see myself scoring a lot of points in Utah.
You're right, looks like tough competition in Utah... though you can always do an "Euskaltel" even if your season wasn't the luckiest.
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 27-02-2015 09:54
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Margh Norway wrote:
tastasol wrote:
Margh Norway wrote:
Thanks for the update, SN!
Awesome that we're still in the battle for 4th. Could turn out a thrilling finale for us at Züri if Risa and Euskaltel are within reach. To make up 40, 50 ranking points is absolutely achievable... even winning our home race isn't insane talk.
You'll probably be ahead, to be honest. Can't see myself scoring a lot of points in Utah.
You're right, looks like tough competition in Utah... though you can always do an "Euskaltel" even if your season wasn't the luckiest.
Someone doesn't like my tactical genius.
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| Margh Norway |
Posted on 27-02-2015 10:10
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Luis Leon Sanchez wrote:
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Someone doesn't like my tactical genius.
We're still analysing Euskaltel tactics...
The only thing we can establish at the moment: We're jealous! 
Edited by Margh Norway on 27-02-2015 12:54
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| Marcovdw |
Posted on 27-02-2015 12:48
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If we can stay on that 24th place I'll throw a party at the Minions HQ!
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| coolrex |
Posted on 27-02-2015 12:50
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Marcovdw wrote:
If we can stay on that 24th place I'll throw a party at the Minions HQ!
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| Ste117 |
Posted on 27-02-2015 13:37
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Being honest I wouldn't mind dropping down to CT next season. I don't have the team to compete at PCT as seen this year. Unless I make some remarkable signings in the close season. A major re haul of my team is needed. I have been very loyal to some riders who have not performed over the last 2 years. But we wait to find out our fate. Whether PCT or CT I will still have my loyalty to what I am trying to build and passion for the MG and my wonderful team who don't win often
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| Marcovdw |
Posted on 27-02-2015 13:39
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coolrex wrote:
Marcovdw wrote:
If we can stay on that 24th place I'll throw a party at the Minions HQ!
party for being 24th? LOL
Most predictions showed us at the bottom
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 27-02-2015 17:47
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Ste117 wrote:
Being honest I wouldn't mind dropping down to CT next season. I don't have the team to compete at PCT as seen this year. Unless I make some remarkable signings in the close season. A major re haul of my team is needed. I have been very loyal to some riders who have not performed over the last 2 years. But we wait to find out our fate. Whether PCT or CT I will still have my loyalty to what I am trying to build and passion for the MG and my wonderful team who don't win often
And that is pretty much the exact reason why I turned down my promotion place last season, resulting in you getting it instead. I knew there was no way I could turn a team that was fighting to avoid the bottom of the CT rankings into a team that could stay up in the PCT without a major overhaul. It was more important to me to stay loyal to my current riders and my focus area's then to overhaul my team which would have put me a long way adrift and realistically I would have probably scored about 500-750 points in the PCT.
Hopefully my competitiveness in the CT this season, resulting in me fighting for a top 10 spot has proven that it was the right decision and although I believe my long term goal will see me relegated again next season, should I be lucky enough to go up, at least I can continue to develop my riders in house and have a strong team ready for CT racing in 2 seasons time assuming I can get some guys PT loans to max them in the coming season.
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 01-03-2015 22:47
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After Tour du Faso:
The TTT really paid off here as Oz top score in the race to surely secured 3rd place.
Gazelle climb to 7th, another strong late-season race takes them past Jaguar, who did not ride. They go head to head for the remaining races, Dowsett vs Monfort.
The battle for the Top 10 really hotted up. An early podium for Hoffman took Metinvest past Repsol, but Napolitano and Ciolek really tore apart the competition and it shows. Meiji climb 4 places to 10th with a 69 point advantage now. Puma are up 3 to 13th, just 7 points behind Metinvest in 11th. It could be a battle for the Top 9 too, if Meiji or Metinvest can do well in Beijing and catch La Vie Claire.
In the relegation fight it's all about the GC win for Lindeman and Hornbach to save what could have been a very lowscoring race for them. They swap places with Kenya Airways who slip down to the edge. But Boeing were unlucky not to cash in on a GC bonus after winning the cobbled stage, and that could be that for the fith to avoid the CT drop. Relegation is now confirmed for Project:Africa, and it will take some incredible performances for any of the other 4 teams to escape now.
| | | Team | Total | RD Left | Faso | | 1 | 1 |  | Quickstep | 5192 | 2 | 25 | | 2 | 2 |  | Heineken-Cal Giant | 4745 | 0 | 0 | | 3 | 3 |  | Oz Cycling Project | 4407 | 7 | 294 | | 4 | 4 |  | Venchi - Ferranti | 3907 | 7 | 0 | | 5 | 5 |  | Bacardi Limited | 3832 | 7 | 0 | | 6 | 6 |  | Team CSC - Orbea | 3499 | 7 | 0 | | 7 | 8 |  | Gazelle | 3049 | 7 | 110 | | 8 | 7 |  | Jaguar - Eritel | 2982 | 7 | 0 | | 9 | 9 |  | La Vie Claire | 2665 | 2 | 0 | | 10 | 14 |  | Meiji - Cannondale | 2513 | 7 | 230 | | 11 | 11 |  | Metinvest-Emirates | 2444 | 7 | 17 | | 12 | 10 |  | Repsol-Cativen | 2443 | 2 | 0 | | 13 | 16 |  | Team Puma - SAP | 2437 | 2 | 215 | | 14 | 12 |  | Magna-Ryanair | 2370 | 5 | 0 | | 15 | 15 |  | Kazzinc Procycling | 2362 | 2 | 103 | | 16 | 13 |  | AMEXpc | 2336 | 7 | 0 | | 17 | 17 |  | Kappa - ENI | 2193 | 2 | 0 | | 18 | 18 |  | Swedbank-PEAB | 2154 | 5 | 0 | | 19 | 19 |  | FCB - Polska | 2087 | 7 | 0 | | 20 | 20 |  | Karcher-Adira Racing | 2065 | 5 | 0 | | 21 | 22 |  | RBC Pro Cycling | 1973 | 7 | 61 | | 22 | 21 |  | Privatbank - Nemiroff | 1927 | 0 | 0 | | 23 | 25 |  | Team Hornbach | 1668 | 7 | 164 | | 24 | 24 |  | Allianz-BMW | 1573 | 7 | 20 | | 25 | 23 |  | Team Kenya Airways | 1556 | 7 | 0 | | 26 | 26 |  | Boeing-Bulgaria Bicycling | 1439 | 2 | 36 | | 27 | 27 |  | Project: Africa | 1369 | 0 | 23 | | 28 | 29 |  | BelarusBank Pro Cycling | 1307 | 2 | 75 | | 29 | 28 |  | Mobil - Aeropostal Ciclismo | 1289 | 5 | 0 | | 30 | 30 |  | Compal-Merida | 992 | 7 | 0 |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 01-03-2015 23:02
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From ~7 breakaways in 10RR stages, including a win on the "key" cobbled stage, 36 points is f*ck all luck as a result.
Upsides: We are still mathematically in it, although that is basically a 1-2-3 in Japan Cup... Stranger things have happened in the Man-Game and we are still on a riduclous run of performances (ridiculuos by our standards).
We've salso sealed 26th place at worst (baring some totaly mentalness), which at least puts us in prime position to be saved if circustances turn in that direction (unlikely but i will hope right up to Day 1 of racing)
Still got a chance, and it's no more ridiculous than what we've already been clinging to. Roll on Japan Cup!
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 01-03-2015 23:03
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There really is a chance we get La Vie Claire with the race days in hand, and the fact we've sent really strong teams to the final races, Beijing and Japan. I do think they will slightly outscore us in Japan though.
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