With the Tour over, time to open this thread for suggestions for new riders to go into the ManGame database at the end of the season.
Any rider who has emerged in the last year, or perhaps theres a nationality of rider you want for your team, which is short of riders at the moment. 1995 is the very latest year of birth I will add. I prefer not to add riders too young as they are harder to predict and those that are predicted to be great often just disappear.
Now this year, I am going to be much stricter on the format you post - so that it is a whole lot easier for me to add to the DB.
For all riders you suggest please include:
Surname, Name, Nationality, Continent, Day, Month and Year of Birth.
If the rider is already in the DB as a Free Agent and you are suggesting improved stats, then include his ID.
XP Level, Pts, Potential and Stats are optional. This can either be current stats, or the stats the rider could have once maxed. It is easier for me if you focus on what their stats will be when maxed. While it is optional, the more you fill in here, the more likely I am to add that rider.
As well as posting the rider data as above, it will also help if you can include information about what the rider is good at, and link to their PCS and CQ rider pages.
If you're going to suggest more than 1 rider in your post, then the format I suggest is:
Table at the top with the data for all riders being suggested
Links and background info for Rider 1
Links and background info for Rider 2
Links and background info for Rider 3
etc
Edited by SportingNonsense on 30-12-2014 12:58
SN, quick question regarding the more exotic riders (Sri Lankans in my case) where it's difficult to find information about date of birth. In those cases can approximate dates be used? I've been able to roughly get the year of birth for a few riders by looking at how far results date back and their competing in age restricted races, so should I just put that?
I have created a file with few of names that should be added few weeks ago, but didn't follow the format you specified here obviosuly since I didn't know, hope it helps anyway. Didn't quite finish few riders but will add them later on.
Top 5 Talents
These five were the best U23 riders this season while not present at the moment in MG. If there's any talents deserving potential of 7, these five are.
Tiesj is a very rounded rider. He's a puncheur. And will be in the future. However he does have an outstanding sprint on him. He can climb preety well and do TT's to limit damage as explained later, very rounded rider with specialty on short climbs with a mean kick.
In his first year at 19 year olds he showed his talent, mostly as domestique at Lotto U23, but had few chances to lead already. Circuit Ardennes he climbed very well along likes of Zoild who won that race that year. He sprinted to a 3rd place too.
In LBL he was helping his leader Theuns but he himself got 8th, great ride there. In Madrid he won on a long climb from 10 riders, showing his climbing skills rather well.
And most impressive result of all in GP Wallonie at 19 years of age in a 200km race he finished 30 seconds behind the leader in a group of Gilbert, Avermeat, Chavanel. This result has sparked my attention to him as a massive talent, at that age in such long race to have the stamina to keep with best in the world is simply stunning.
2014 was the year he was going to be the leader of his Lotto U23 team as well as Belgian team. He sustained illness in December so he started season pretty late. In his first race of the season he finished 2nd overall in Triptyque des Monts. On first stage he got 2nd in sprint finish and day later second in more selective bunch on a hilly stage. He then did a good TT to stay within a shot of GC and on last day went in attack to claim bonus seconds and 2nd in GC. Basically this race portrays what rider he is, puncheur with great kick, stamina and allround ability.
Ronde wasn't selective enough, 19 rider sprinter where he finished 3rd beating Doull and few other quite decent sprinters. While U23 Ronde can’t be classifed as a true cobbled race, it shows his potential in those one day classics.
Next was his big target, the U23 LBL which will be his biggest regret. He came 5th winning the reduced sprint, however the winners came out of a late break. Why regrettable? He chased himself at the end and caught the break on the line, however they just made it. So close that they have given them the same time.
Next race included one of his most impressive performance of 2014 at Ronde de l'Isard, a very moutainous race. Through 5 stages his worst finish was 8th. Benoot was deluxe dom for Verveake who won this race on stage 2, where Benoot dropped the rest of the peleton and soloed with Verveake, a break guy won however Verveake finished 2nd and Benoot 4th giving them what at the end of race ended up being 1st and 3rd in GC. Verveake put it best:
And his next race portrays his allround ability, 6 days later he finished 15th at Paris - Roubaix Espoirs in the main pack. Just after doing extraordinary work in the moutains with no special preparation for the cobbles. Afterwards he took a break finishing 5th at hilly Flèche Ardennaise and sprinting to 6th at European Championships U23 (3rd from the bunch, since race won by late break of 3).
After another month's rest he started in his first race for Lotto Belisol, a 2.HC Post Danmark Rundt. His worst finish across 5 days was 17th..amazing for such a young rider. He took the spotlight finishing 3rd on the queen stage, a hilly one finishing alongside Breschel. He got decent 17th in TT which however put him from 3rd to 10th in GC, but a very impressive race considering it was his first in Lotto colours as well first at pro ranks, and he was already given freedom on queen stage ahead of Bak, the home hero. After Denmark he finished 4th in another hilly Belgian classic, 1.1 GP Stad Zottegem which was ideal prep for Avenir. Bad luck struck at Avenir when he was taken out in a crash on stage 2, meaning he had to abandon the race.
One could say he could have finished his season there, but no, he took Worlds U23 as the next target, in lead up to Worlds he finished once again 17th at GP de Wallonie and during Worlds sprinted to 4th place. The course was too easy at the end, but again showing his strength as a sprinter, beating likes of Enger and Der Poel and just barely by Ewan and Skjerping for a medal. And while most riders would definitely end their season there, he didn't as he took part in few late classics for Lotto which he proved to be their big asset. He took 8th at Binche - Chimay - Binche, the best late classic of 2014. He attacked with De Gendt and Terpstra with 8km to go and proved the strongest of the trio, and while they were caught with 5km left he hold on and was used to leadout Debuschhere to 2nd.
He then did a similar ride in Paris Tours leadingout Debuschhere to 3rd while he himself took 16th in 240km, showing amazing flat and stamina.
So after this short overview, what else can I say. The most consistent rider of U23 this season, a flat beast, very good sprinter with a mean kick, promising climber but foremast super talented puncheur.
Power's 1st year at U23 is utterly spectacular. You really have to consider many rider take a year to adapt coming up from Junior ranks. Well not him. He started in Australia, decent Herald Sun Tour before coming 2nd in Oceanian RR beaten in a sprint by Luke Durbridge. The two arrived solo, and Power kept up with Luke's till the end. He then went to Europe and you could see he was acclimatizing to the races at the start, still taking 2 podium in Italian hilly classics as well as 7th in Tour de Azerbaidjan, won by decent climber Zakarin.
He really came alive in August though where he smashed opposition in GP Capodarco and GP di Poggiana, really smashed, no one was close, arriving solo on both wins. Before going to Avenir where he was the only one to hold to Lopez's wheel and finishing on same time on stage 6th ending in 2nd in GC overall. He stayed at U23 level this season, expect more domination.
He's an interesting one as he really climbs equally well on long and the short steep stuff with good acceleration he is a bit like Valverde or Purito of the U23. I am not sure if it's possible to do that sort of progression in man-game, maybe starting him at level 2 giving him possibility to be equally good in both climbing and hills. But as I said I guess it's no really possible, as when someone get's him they will go purely into Stage Racers or Hilly training.
While Van Der Poel will concentrate on the cross for next year or two, where he is already winning pro races at age of 20 his set of results for 2014 is too impressive to miss him out as a suggestion at least.
His first big race was the 2.HC Belgium Tour, he came 4th in a sprint behind Greipel and Gilbert. There were no real selection or hills in this year's route, meaning race was decided in TT which is not something Mathieu excels meaning he finished in 23rd position overall.
He finished 15th in Boucles de la Mayenne getting 3rd in opening prologue, he was consistent here but unspectacular. His next race, a 1.1 Ronde van Limburg 200km classic where people took massive notice of him. It wasn't extremely tough Belgian classic, but still not easy, he won the sprint to claim a massive win ahead of Merters, Henderson, Van Stayen and Debuscchere, at age of 20 in 200km classic..
He took a break, before returning in Alasce winning a select sprint on stage 3, stage 4 was a mountain stage which he found too tough, no surprise, but he limited his looses well finishing 14th and ending on 4th GC, quite impressive effort. He went onto dominate Baltic Chain Tour winning every classification there as well a stage win solo before claiming decent 10th at U23 Worlds.
His results are a mix, it's hard to judge what kind of rider he'll become. He's not a bunch sprinter, but got a veryyyy good sprint and acceleration, he's got great technical skills from the cross and is very good on flat terrain no surprises there. He's not going be winning Lombardia or Fleche in future, but he's very decent on the hills and it looks he's got the engine to compete in the long classics as well. It's hard to say what future hold, but he should become quite a beast.
His exploits in Colombia created a bit of hype around the cycling geeks. Is another Quintana coming to Europe? Well it all started when he won Vuelta de la Juventud, the U23 version of the Vuelta a Colombia, he took 12 wins in Colombia this year, quite dominant.
He came to Europe without ever racing here so was a big unknown. He surprised many with his prologue finishing 13th (although rain helped that result a lot) and got through hectic sprint stages unscathed. On the first mountain stage he dropped everyone finishing 3rd behind the break and teaking the yellow jersey which he easily held till the finish including another MTF win in a duel against Power. At the Worlds he finished 36th in the ITT, middle of pack, not great, not bad, I doubt he cared much for it. The worlds RR was way easier for him to make impact, he stayed in the bunch and safely finished in main pack on 26th.
His results from Colombia and impressive Avenir show massive potential. He could be the next superstart climber and a stage racer.
Mühlberger first season was unspectacular, but 2014 has been a completely different story. In his first race of the season, Istrian Spring Trophy, he already won the first stage, a 2km prologue, and got 4th in GC won by Cort Nielsen. He then went onto to win one of more prestigious U23 classics, Trofeo Piva, beating Foliforov, Power and Senni in the 4 man sprint. Quite an impressive result considering the names he beat here.
His next big race was the Carpathia Couriers Tour, a U23 Polish race, bit of hills, bit of sprints but the queen stage was the 30km ITT which he won, landing him the GC as well. He then took a break and preapred to the Austrian races. He came 6th in hilly GP Judendorf-Strassengel, and 2nd in Oberösterreichrundfahrt won by Konrad, he took a stage there, again showing his nice hill skills before doing an impressive double at Austrian Nationals finishing 2nd in ITT, only one minute behind Brandle and 2nd in RR, 30 seconds behind Zoidl ( and 1 minute ahead of likes of Eisel, Brandle, Konrad). At such young age, amazing feat and showing his main attributes - great TT and great set of hill abilities. He finished Oberösterreichrundfahrt 59th at Tour of Austria and 41th at USA Pro Challenge, not bad at all considering his age, but he's unlikely to become a climber in the future.
End of season, he got 20th in Ride London Classic, and 11th at Tre Valli Varesine, a 218km classic and finishing beside rides like Battaglin, Ponzi or Santaromita. Pure class. The long season took toll on him at Worlds, below par ITT result but safely within the main bunch in the RR.
What else to say, he seems a real deal. Great results at such age, both at U23 and even pro ranks. He seems a very good puncheur with ability to win from small groups with a great TT on him (both long and short prologues). Definitely one to look out for in the future.
Conti had one hell of impressive neo pro debut with Lampre. His first big race was the Tour of Turkey, he finished 12th on one MTF and 27th overall. Decent performance when working for Durasek. He then raced in Japan, before his first big race at Dauhpine where he finished very good 67th overall and finishing with main break on stage 6 alongside names like Stybar, Peraud or Voigt! He's shown some decent ITT skills finishing 6th in Italian TT, 20 seconds off a bronze medal over 40km distance.
He got a very late call up to Vuelta when Horner was withdrawn, less than ideal prep, he got into break once, finished 8th in a sprint and 29th in the prologue on the last stage finishing 112th. Considering late call up, and foremost, not many neo pros finish GT in their first attempt, a great attempt, and finishing Vuelta certainly upped his level, he finished 13th in Coppa Sabatini before taking a massive win in GP Bruno Beghelli ahead of Koren and Zakarin, attacking in last 2km to hold off the pack. He then finished his season with good 6th in Japan Cup among impressive riders.
Hell of impressive results for a neo pro, finishing GT, winning a tough Italian classic, some great break results at Dauphine and Vuelta, looks a top talent, looks a puncheur with good climbing skills and a good TT skills to pack.
Another Belgian that got himself a pro contract this year with BMC after set of consistent results at both U23 and Pro level. He took 4th in LBL from break of 4 (he was working in that break for his teammate Teuns). 2nd at Flèche Ardennaise and Internationale Wielertrofee and 8th Omloop Het Nieuwsblad elite/u23 before very strong 7th in the London Ride Classic, 1.HC rated.
He continued racing with pros and placed twice in Top 10 at Tour of Norway finishing 8th overall in this 2.HC race, he was a leader in a team including Moinard and Hushovd. Both races show very strong hill capabilities.
At Avenir there were no hilly stages, and he's not a climber, he did however get 5th in opening prologue and 9th on stage 1 before working for Verveake and Teuns.
He finished his season riding for BMC pro team, where he finished 24th at Wallonie and 27th at Paris Tours, again, showing good engine and flat skills needed for this tough late classics.
Simone, another upcoming Italian puncheur, signed by Bardiani irl for 2015. In his first big race, he won the Italian U23 classic, Giro del Belvedere, 10 seconds ahead of Herklotz and Pibernik. In 2nd classic, he finished 3rd, coming 2nd to Ewan in a select bunch sprint before 4th in yet another U23 Italian classic. He won the queen stage Giro della Regione Friuli ending 6th overall, he suffered late season with few DNFs.
Italian, and a puncheur. I sense a pattern. Gianni has been another very consistent throughout this season, in first part of the season he recorded 4 Top 10's in the 4 biggest Italian classics on the calendar. During 2nd part of the season he upped his game, firstly 5th at GP di Poggiana then 2nd in GP Capodarco, 8 seconds behind Power before taking the biggest win of his carrer and winning Piccolo Giro di Lombardia ahead of Teuns and Latour, two big U23 names showing rather big talent. Also worth a mention, he was one of bigger animators during the U23 Worlds being on attack few times, however he crashed on descent costing him a chance of great result.
I put Turgis in the puncheur category but that is bit deceiving. One could categorize him as a top puncheur talent after his surprise LBL U23 win, but it really wasn't. I can see people in future talking about him as one of these talents that won big in U23 but didn't deliver at pro ranks. Don't get me wrong, he's a big talent, but his big results all came from breaks so far.
If you read Benoot's bio you'll know a late 4 rider break took LBL..barely and Turgis was the one that won the sprint in the velodrome. His next big result was 3rd at European RR where he was once again involved in late break of three. He also finished in main group of Ronde U23, showing good flat skills reinforced by 30th at Forumies and 37th Kampioenschap van Vlaanderen, demanding flat classics at pro level.
Foremost, he seems a very attackive rider, strong on flat, good puncheur as well, but don't let the LBL win overhype his skills there with a decent engine to perform well in tough classics.
Tao was a very good rider already from juniors and developed so at his first U23 season. He finished 15th at Ronde and 20th at Picardie, one of the biggest U23 classics showing good stamina and adaptation to U23. He rode and finished AtoC and rode to a good 39th in GC at Utah before consistent 10th place at Avenir. He continued with his good form to finish 15th at Tour of Britain and for a 19 year old that is impressive.
He looks a mix of climber and puncheur, he is however very young and will progress more this year to really show where his best strenghts lie, so he's one of riders that could possibly wait till next year to be added.
Latour is a very promising climber, while he's never dominated any U23 climbing races he's been very consistent. In 2013 he claimed 5th at Ronde de l'Isard, 8th at Tour des Pays de Savoie 4th at Piccolo Giro di Lombardia and probably most impressive 13th at Giro dell'Emilia, a very popular 1.HC classic.
In 2014 he didn't get going at the start, first big-ish result coming in June Tour des Pays de Savoie, improvement of three places from year before, ending 5th, 9th at 2.1 Tour de l'Ain before the big season goal of Avenir where he was preety much Mr.Consistent and finishing 6th finishing season off with a podium Piccolo Giro di Lombardia.
Very consistent climber, maybe not a world beater but certainly very promising and looks to be equally capable on the shorther hillier races.
Eiking similarly to Latour, began getting results at later date. He finished Top 5 in two small Norwegian classics before finishing 13th at Tour of Norway, a 2.HC and first sign of big talent. 2 months later came the race that shown his big potential to the world, Giro della Valle d'Aosta Mont Blanc where he finished three times in Top 5 achieving 2nd in GC.
He looked decent for a Top 10 spot in Avenir after a stage podium on stage 5 however he bonked hard on the final stage, ending 24 minutes behind leading pack costing him a great result, still 25th on first attempt is not an easy task at all. He finished in the main pack in the U23 Worlds where the quicker finishing Norwegian set the scene alight.
Similar to Latour, he looks equally promising climber and puncheur, there's not much to go about his TT skills unfortunately.
Carthy is very hard to judge. Simply because he rode 0 U23 races since he was riding for Rapha Condor. 6th in Mzansi Tour where on the queen stage he finished 4th, only 7 seconds behind Kudus. He took away two podiums and 6th overall in Tour of Japan dominated by Iranians. Hard to judge the depth of field there, but he beat many experienced veteran climbers there plus few Lampre guys like of Conti, Palini & Bonifazio. His biggest reuslt came in Korea, where he won the tough queen stage claiming overall win ahead of Haig, Baliani or Grmay. He also made a debut at higher level field in USA Pro Challenge where he finished very respectable 44th.
It's tough to judge Carthy at this point, however his result show he's a very good climber, he signed with Caja Rural for next year, so he'll show more of that climbing potential on Spanish calendar.
He's not the youngest here, however he deserves update in the database after set of strong results. 8th at Mzansi Tour & Tour de Azerbaidjan, finishing one place behind Power in the latter. 28th at 2.HC Bayern-Rundfahrt, biggest German race. On the queen stage he finished 26th same time as Meintjes and few seconds behind likes of Barta and Denifl. 14th at Alasce and 7th at GP Capodarco lead up to Avenir where he finished consistently, grabbing his best result on last day with 7th on stage ending 7th overall. Definitely potential for a good stage racer.
His second part of the season earns him a nomination here. In May he grabbed 15th overall at Tour of Norway, a pro level race and sign of talent. He followed it up by 33th at Tour des Fjords before his break. He finished twice 4th on climbing stages at Giro della Valle d'Aosta Mont Blanc ending 5th overall. He then grabbed 19th at 2.HC Arctic Race of Norway. At Avenir he was a domestique for Eiking, however he finished strongly on all stages giving him nice place before last stage, Eiking bonked hard and Lunke had his chance. He grabbed 10th on the stage ending 11th overall. Impressive effort considering the circumstances. He finished in main pack at the Worlds.
Solid puncheur and climber. With him and Eiking Norway got a nice duo for future.
Ruben is the next Portugese stage racing hope. His first 'big' result was 14th at G.P. Palio del Recioto, finishing in main group behind winners. But he really shown his talent at Volta a Portugal do Futuro. Not the toughest stage race, only 4 stages however he won the queen mountain stage (ahead of Joaquim Silva and Rybalkin) which also meant he took the overall glory. One month later he came to Avenir leading Portugese hopes alongside Silva, he consistently finished in Top 15, although never breaking Top 10 on any stages, this meant he finished 14th overall. Good first attempt and expect to improve upon this this year where he'll be fighting for PT contract.
Niccolo is the biggest upcoming Italian sprinter, in the mold of Modolo or Nizzolo. He grabbed 3 Top 10's at Tour of Turkey including a podium, in a field overloaded with quality sprinters. He beat likes of Viviani, Bos or Guardini here. He scored his first win in bit of random appearance for Lampre at Tour of Japan before claiming 12th and 17th respectively at Brussels Cycling Classic and GP de Fourmies, tough sprinter classics.
His first big win and big breakthrough came few days later during Coppa Agostoni where he grabbed his first classic beating Bole and Ponzi in the sprint. He followed this up with 8th at Coppa Sabatini and 6th in the GP Bruno Beghelli, both quite tough classics finishing in select bunch sprints. He used this great form and stormed Tour of Hainan taking 3 wins 4 other podiums including 3rd on the queen stage which meant he also finished 2nd overall.
Niccolo, similarly to De Buyst is quite rapid, shows great endurance in the classics and can tackle the hills quite well.
Jasper has been mainly a track rider, however he produced a string of performances that earned him a WT contract with Lotto. It began at Tour of Denmark where he finished in Top 18 on all 5 stages ending 12th overall including 2nd and 4th in sprints. He finished 5th in a tough Belgian classic, GP Stad Zottegem, beside Benoot which lead up to his biggest result, 2nd at Druivenkoers - Overijse, a big 1.1 200km race where he finished 2nd in a select group of 10 ahead of Asbroeck, Leukemans, Baugnies and Vanendert. Showing decent sprint and hilly skills there. He continued racing the Belgian classics finishing 19th at Brussels Cycling Classic and 8th in the GP Impanis - Van Petegem.
Jasper is very strong flat rider, coming off track background, strong sprint good endurance as seen by the impressive result already in the classics and decent on the Belgian hills.
Manzin's late form got him a contract with FDJ. And no surprise. He started season with 12th at ZLM Tour and few Top 10's at Tour de Bretagne including 2nd on stage 2. He then got injured and came back for few prep races before the Tour du Poitou-Charentes where he sprinted to 3rd place on stage 2 and 6th on stage 3. The competition was quite tough here so all the more impressive, Cav won stage 2 and Ruffoni stage 3. Manzin beat many renowned sprinters here, likes of Howard, Napolitano, Chicchi, Ruffoni etc. He raced few classics with a highlight of 12th at Paris-Bourges won by Degenkolb.
It's hard to say if he'll make it, but signs are there and FDJ got a knack of late to develop top quality sprinters.
Another FDJ signing and what looks to be another French kid. They certainly got a few of them now. 3rd at ZLM Tour. Two podiums at Tour de Gironde and 14th in GC. 6th at Ronde de l'Oise with three Top 5 places. His biggest result came at Tour de l'Ain, 2.1 race where he sprinted to awesome 2th place ahead of likes of Meersman or Feillu before 5th on the next stage. In the French U23 break took the win, but Sarraeu won the bunch sprint for 8th.
Both Manzim and Sarraeu look preety fast, and should both develop into strong sprinters.
Surprised we didn't see Matteo in the MG sooner. Not much to write about him, he's well known sprinter for IAM. He's been pretty poor in many races, but his highlight means his season was decent. He won stage 2 of Tirreno - Adriatico surprising the big hitters there. Got 2nd at GP de Denain, won Vuelta Burgos stage and one Top 10 at Vuelta. He's a preety fast sprinter but bit inconsistent, but capable of big win.
Jesse is an upcoming sprinter, just signed for BMC Development team. His big results past 2 season have come from one race, Tour of Taihu Lake. In 2013 he got 7 Top 5's including one win and 4th in GC. in 2014 the field was tougher, he still did well and finished 3 times in Top 5 including win on stage 1 in a decent-ish sprinter field. The parcours involved hills so he didn't contend GC this year. He also claimed a classic in China in a similar field to Taihu.
Maarten is quite consistent on few terrains but mostly a solid flat rider with good sprint. He finished 13th at Paris Robuaix Espoirs, 17th Ronde van Zeeland Seaports, 5th Kernen Omloop Echt-Susteren and 5th at Nationale Sluitingprijs Putte-Kapellen, last two decent sprint results. He had a similar season in 2013, never being best, but grabbing few Top 10's in flat classics, such as 6th Ster van Zwolle, 8th ZLM Tour or 15th at Münsterland Giro.
Jauregui has got strange results this year, but ones that earned him a WT contract with AG2R. He finished 18th at Mt Faron earning him 35 th at Tour Méditerranéen. Then 16th at a 210km French classic, Paris - Camembert and 7th at Tour du Finistère. Big classics on French calendar. He won a stage from break at the Rhône-Alpes Isère Tour.
In 2nd part of the season he got 3rd at Polynormande, 16th at Arctic Race of Norway and one 5th place in a sprint stage of Avenir. He was 12th at Tour du Jura and Tour du Doubs before ending with a sub par performance at Worlds.
He got results on most terrains this year, and it's really hard to evaluate him. I'd say a strong flat rider, with decent sprint, decent hill and okay climbing for a youngster. A good all rounder.
Well on quick glance the detail looks good, though I am quite wary of adding too many top young riders. As Avin says, I don't think it's suitable to add Van der Poel just yet. Likewise there are always going to be promising Italian puncheurs because there are a lot of hilly U23 Italian races - there really isn't a need in the DB for more young Italian puncheurs, so I am reluctant to add any.
But I won't be adding any riders that aren't posted in the format listed in the first post. This is one of the more tedious time consuming parts of the off-season, and requiring that is a vital part of reducing the time it takes for me - while not being much more effort for the person suggesting the rider.
Edited by SportingNonsense on 30-12-2014 13:40
Yea I know, I just created a list, I don't expect most of these to be in, but at least you got a choice which ones to pick out for this year.
Van der Poel, well I agree, but I couldn't leave him out considering he did win a 1.1 classic was on level with Gilbert on hilly stages in Belgium and rode good U23 World race. So yeah, he can easily be left out of the game, but I couldn't leave him out of description
I should be able to do some of the stats of these, but it's hard since you know the matrix the best, and I can already see people just putting 70's on all their favoruite talented riders
Alakagom wrote:
I should be able to do some of the stats of these, but it's hard since you know the matrix the best, and I can already see people just putting 70's on all their favoruite talented riders
Well in terms of including stats, the main stats I will likely alter and adjust to fit the ManGame matrix - but the level approximation can be helpful as a guide. It's much easier for me to be adjusting levels rather than coming up with it all from scratch. And with the secondary stats I often end up being more random with them - so if there's a value suggested already that looks reasonable, there's a good chance I'll stick with it.
I'd encourage people to be realistic because it is quite obvious when people are overrating a favourite rider of theirs, and it makes me more inclined to not add that rider.
matt17br wrote:
I've got plenty of those, I just need to know exactly how the matrix works, since seeing the reports I mostly noticed high stats
So I guess the easiest way to get an idea of the matrix is to look at that.
There's no need to be perfect on the matrix though, as I will be adjusting riders - in particular the top suggested ones - in terms of what I feel the DB needs.
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Also a general note on 'domestiques'. If you suggest a rider whose best useful stat at max is around 73 or less, and include all their stats, they will probably go straight in. I don't really think there's such thing as too many of those level of riders so if you want more riders in the DB from a less represented nation then that is a good way to do it
Regarding Van der Poel, I saw him close an amazing gap in Ronde van België this year. He just jumped to the leader group solo. I'm confident that he can be great on the road as a puncheur, but I can understand some say it's too soon
Here are some of the riders I have seen over the season that I think are worth adding.
ID
Surname
First name
Fl
Mo
Hl
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Cb
Sp
Ac
Ft
Dh
Pl
Nat.
Cont.
XP Level
XP Points
D
M
Year
Pot
Broeckx
Stig
72
58
69
62
73
72
68
77
72
71
64
68
68
BEL
EU
10
5
1990
Molard
Rudy
68
72
75
64
72
73
74
68
74
74
75
68
68
FRA
EU
17
9
1989
Steven
Lampier
68
70
73
66
70
72
71
71
70
71
70
66
66
GBR
EU
2
3
1984
Gianfranco
Zilioli
69
76
74
62
71
71
73
63
68
73
72
73
60
ITA
EU
5
3
1990
Antonia
Parrinello
72
65
73
64
73
72
69
65
75
74
67
74
67
ITA
EU
2
10
1988
Cameron
Bayly
71
70
72
67
70
71
68
58
65
72
76
73
65
AUS
OC
11
10
1990
Stig Broeckx (24 years old) is one of Lotto's new youngsters and he has been particularly impressive in the Northern Classics circuit making front groups in the ENECO Tour and Doors avn Drenthe. Has also already finished the senior De Ronde (42nd) and Paris Roubaix (58th). Possibly could start out at lvl 3 and have his cobbled abilty nudged up to 77 or even 78 as was second in 2013 Omloop espoirs
Rudy Molard (25 years old) is a good prospect from France (Cofidis) who rode this years tour de France (his third grand tour in total) finishing quite nicely in some of the later stages. More notable perhaps was a 4th place overall finish at this years Tour of Luxembourg including a second place finish to Matti Breschel in Differdange. He also had a very decent Ardennes campaign with 18th in Fleche Wallonie and 16th in LBL. I think Molard sprints quite well for a climber as evidenced in a small group finish where he was second in the Volta. Slightly inconsistent results against the clock - 10th in the U23 ITT back in 2011 shows he is rated as a decent chrono man at his best.
Steven Lampier (30 years old) is a bit of a British journeyman, but I think two battling top 20 GC performances in the Tour of Blighty should reward Steve with a chance to find a couple of years of mangame stardom. Typica stats of a journeyman grafter really can ride the harsher roads of Britain well enough and has got to be rated as one of Britains best climbers not having ridden in the Continent.
Androni pair Zilioli (24 years old) and Parrinello (26 years old) both have had decent results in hilly classics. Zilioli could become a really decent climber I reckon (he was 9th on Genting Highlands this year) whereas Parrinello is more of the fast finishing rider who can climb hills type mold.
Finally Cameron Bayly (24 years old) is a an Australian who has popped up on the results sheets out in those Asian stage races did particularly well in this years Tour of Japan, Kumano and Korea. Not really been up against the very best and very difficult to place at this stage. Could possible have the potential to improve more.
Meanwhile I have spotted a couple of riders who could do with a bit of a stats makeover who are in the free agency.
ID
Surname
First name
Fl
Mo
Hl
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Cb
Sp
Ac
Ft
Dh
Pl
Nat.
Cont.
XP Level
XP Points
D
M
Year
Pot
7847
Hardy
Romain
70
62
66
57
68
61
62
70
64
61
73
73
57
FRA
EU
3
11
24
8
1988
3
5706
Wackermann
Luca
60
53
62
53
61
66
60
54
64
66
66
60
53
ITA
EU
1
0
13
3
1992
5
601
Degand
Thomas
65
58
65
64
66
65
66
63
71
69
66
66
64
BEL
EU
3
0
13
5
1986
4
Suggested maxed stats:
ID
Surname
First name
Fl
Mo
Hl
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Cb
Sp
Ac
Ft
Dh
Pl
Nat.
Cont.
XP Level
XP Points
D
M
Year
Pot
7847
Hardy
Romain
70
74
73
62
70
61
72
71
70
72
73
73
57
FRA
EU
3
11
24
8
1988
5706
Wackermann
Luca
69
57
69
56
69
66
75
58
76
77
66
64
66
ITA
EU
1
0
13
3
1992
601
Degand
Thomas
68
75
70
71
72
69
73
65
67
73
66
66
64
BEL
EU
3
0
13
5
1986
Romain Hardy (26 years old) is currently a fairly lowly rated cobbled domestique style rider, but has shown this year in particular with a 3rd place finish at this years tour Tour of Turkey that this boy has some climbing potential. He also has a good finish with a number of PT top 10's in particular in gnarly hilly sprint stages. I suspect the Cofidis rider could improve further on climbs this year.
22 year old Luca Wackermann has the potential to become a really decent sprinter I think of the 77 or 78ish realm. He may have been dropped by Lampre this year but I suspect Neri will get some good sprint results out of young Luca.
28 year old Thomas Degand really has modest stats in the database but this guy is a bit of a late bloomer with some very surpising climbing perfomances this year at the Ruta del Sol (6th on that climbing stage won by Valverde after sky doom train), 7th on Mont Faron and again at the Tour of Austria (10th Overall). He also rode quite well at this years Tour de Suisse finishing 17th overall. Degand gets a Protour opportunity this year with IAM and could get some nice results - I would be interested to see how he goes in a grand tour for example.
Edited by SportingNonsense on 31-12-2014 15:32
Switzerland is looking pretty dry this year, but there's a few youngsters from the BMC development team that look alright. It doesn't look like they are superstars, so I'll just put what their stats could look like when maxed, and try to make them decent domestiques.
Surname
First name
Fl
Mo
Hl
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Cb
Sp
Ac
Ft
Dh
Pl
Nat.
Cont.
XP Level
XP Points
D
M
Year
Pot
Spengler
Lukas
69
70
74
74
72
72
69
60
72
72
78
70
71
SWI
EU
4
100
16
9
1994
4
Frankiny
Kilian
67
74
73
66
71
70
73
55
63
73
80
72
65
SWI
EU
4
100
26
1
1994
4
Baillifard
Valentin
68
74
72
73
70
71
74
55
62
69
72
70
70
SWI
EU
4
100
25
12
1993
4
Lukas Spengler:https://www.procyclingstats.com/rider/...s-Spengler
BMC page has him listed as an all-rounder. Best results look like 5th in the ZLM Tour, 2nd in Swiss U23 RR, 4th in Swiss U23 TT. So I gave him decent domestique HI/TT/SP stats at his max.
Kilian Frankiny:https://www.procyclingstats.com/rider....?id=165014
He is listed as a climber. Not many results listed, BMC site shows a few top 10's from one day races last year, as well as 2nd in the Swiss Hill Climb championships a few years ago. I see him being a Johann Tschopp style of rider going for breakaways in mountainous stages, or just an average mountain domestique.
Valentin Baillifard:https://www.procyclingstats.com/rider/...Baillifard
BMC site says he is a stage racer/climber. No great results really, so I put him as an average stage race domestique at his peak. He has a strong background in mountain biking as he was the junior and U23 Swiss MTB champion for a couple years.
Are you aware of any non-young Swiss riders who are missing from the DB bushwackers? Even if they don't have any particularly notable results, they can be given better stats to act as useful domestiques.
Kinda just put in a potential that would seem realistic, but its more about the stats. Kuboki is a young rider and looks to be a strong sprinter and tter. He seems to get most of his results from "tougher" flat days, suggesting he probably isn't the fastest sprinter but a decent allrounder. He is already in the db, but I would like it if his stats were updated a little, so he can become a little bit better after leveling up. If he could be around 75/76 SP and 73 Hill when maxxed I think those would be good stats, and probably nice variation compared to most of the Japanese riders in the db being just pure sprinters.
He is one of Japans greatest young sprinters at the moment. He looks very good and is finishing high up with riders like Keogh and Boivin who are both pretty good sprinters. He has also finished quite a few hilly classics in the Top 10 and usually finishes high up in the GC of stage races, suggesting he is probably pretty good on the hills too. I think he could be a rider in the Pozzato mould. Good on the hills and still a decent sprinter. I am not sure how willing you would be to add a rider that is obviously not going to be this good irl though, but I would like to continue to build a fully Japanese or atleast fully asian team. If 79 SPR is too high, having him competent at both hills and sprinting is probably the most important thing, so being more on the Arashiro level would be okay too
Biggest Japanse talent I think I've seen on PCS. Last year had quite a few great results as an 18 year old rider. 11th on the Mountain/hill stage of the Tour of Japan ahead of riders like Ita, Arredondo, Iino, Dyball, and Hiratsuka. Also finished 11th on the hilly stage of the Tour of Hokkaido and then finished 6th on the Mountain stage the next day and 8th on the final mountain stage. I would absolutely love a Japanese rider that would be capable of a Top 10 in a GT should I ever ride one and this guy is the most talented young Japanese climber I can find. He is only 19 so room for lots of potential. Also 2nd in the U23 road race. A sure sign he's one of the best young Japanese riders. I am aware the stats probably aren't realistic, but there aren't really any Asian climbers that can actually compete in the PT, apart from Choi.
Not much results on him, but he's ridden a lot of dutch and belgian classics (he didn't finish them, but thats not important ) and I'd love to have a Japanese cobbler (although there is Takenouchi but having another would be nice)
Very good results on the hills. I would probably say he is better or equal to Hatanaka, but probably not as strong on the mountains, and more of a pure hilly rider. Also some decent results in sprints.
Great climber. Probably the most obvious Pure climber I have seen of Japanese riders while scouting PCS. Finshed 4th on the Queen Mountain stage of the Tour of Hokkaido last year as a 20 year old.
This guy has literally no results I can find, other than 2 20th places at some small Criteriums or something. Not really sure how he should have his stats, but he could be added to fill any gap you see in the current Japanese riders.
Looks like another decent Japanse climber. Looks very consistent and probably about as strong as Ikebe although he's also missed the time limit before so weaker secondary stats.
I dont really know how to classify him. He should be updated to reflect his ability on the hills but its hard to tell if he's a decent sprinter or not as well. Hill should be around 75/76 when maxxed tho, although anything better is okay too
Thats all I've got for now. These are all from months ago when I was looking up riders on PCS. I have a couple more guys but didn't feel like listing them all right now but if more are needed I can post those too.
Once again I'm just going to take requests on more obscure countries that people might want filled. I'll try to get riders from some less traditional nations into this.
Type: Strong finisher, has some win in smaller Finnish races and stage one of Tour of Estonia 2014.
Suggestions regarding stats and XP at current time.
ID
Surname
First name
Fl
Mo
Hl
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Cb
Sp
Ac
Ft
Dh
Pl
Nat.
Cont.
XP Level
XP Points
D
M
Year
Pot
Halme
Samuel
69
59
65
72
65
70
63
68
67
69
65
70
72
FIN
EU
1
18
4
1991
Nurmi
Roope
69
60
60
55
67
67
63
62
69
69
63
62
55
FIN
EU
1
50
9
2
1993
Edit: Henttala removed as he was already in the DB with similar stats as suggested and more stats added for the two others.
Edited by Atlantius on 18-01-2015 18:09
With 27 more a maxed rider or 4.00 I think. But could be a decent CT rider or PT/PCT helper for hilly races. Also has a good TT and better prologue as shown in the Fleche Du Sud 2014 with the win in the prologue and a good 4th in the GC.
Won the U23 German ITT Nationals and also showed his skills in the Tour de Berlin and Szlakiem Grodòw Piastowskich, where he was 3rd in the ITT behind Schumacher and Taciak only. His climbing is not very good but with a 2nd in the Frankfurt Eschborn U23 only beaten by Mats Pedersen he showed some nice riding in a classic as well. So for me he is comparable to Patrick Gretsch when maxed. Due to his age probably a 1.00 and time trial prospect.
U23 Road Race Champion this year ahead of his team mate Bauhaus. Also won 2 stages in the Tour de Berlin and is a promising sprinter. Had to do a lot of leadouts for Phil Bauhaus this year but also showed to be a solid sprinter when getting a chance. Should be a 1.00 rider due to his age.
Was always within the best in the Tour de Berlin sprints with a 2nd being his best result. Could be a similar rider than this brother Johim Ariesen with a decent sprint and cobbled skills. Might never be a top tier rider but a solid rider for PCT/CT leadout trains.
