- Few days ago, I got a great idea on my mind. As there's still no Nations DB for PCM13, I decided to take the responsibility myself and start such a project. As this is planned for quite some time, I really hope I'll manage to finish it, as it's my first DB. It's already in progress. As a note, the DB is mainly for fun and it's not really huge project (it doesn't include stages, neither equipments or so, it's add-on after all).
- Great idea. But how will this work?
Well, for the first and hopefully not the last version of the database, I planned out few things. This will be an add-on PCMdaily 2014 v1 DB, so you'll clearly need that DB. Basically, you'll be able to play races you love with alot of different countries. So, you'll be able to control Paris - Roubaix with Belgium, Make a mountain Spain train in Vuelta or Le Tour or make great German sprint train for Kittel.
- Wow. But what about career?
To be honest, career mode won't be our goal in v1. The reason is simple - you just can't control transfers after the first season. It's not really hard job to adjust career for such a thing, and we'll do that in this version. There's really only 1 barrier in this which is above us. It's the thing that you can't really control the transfers in-game, so you'll have to do this manually with editor. I repeat, it will be playable and with a little knowledge, you can enjoy a long career with this. DB is for fun, remember.
- It already sounds good, but what are the main features of this DB?
To be honest, we still doesn't have anything defined yet. All you need to know now is that you'll have 3 divisions as normally. The teams (nations actually) will be devided in these 3 divisions. Just as you guessed now, the strongest teams such as Spain, France, Great Britain and 17 more will find its place in the top division. Some a bit weaker nations that has 1 or only few good riders will take part in PCT and finally, nations that has only few riders and no good riders will be CT teams.
Also, that's not all. Having Valverde, Contador, Sanchez, Anton, Purito in one Spain team wouldn't be so-realistic, so we decided to make 3 teams for best cycling countries. So, f.e Spain 1 and Spain 2 will "race" in WT, while Spain 3 will be made of talents from Spain and will ride in CT. There won't be many these 2nd and 3rd teams, as we want some smaller countries in DB, aswell.
There are no many features except the DB and Jerseys/Accessories for Nations. I'll once again repeat, the DB is for fun and add-on, so there's no really point in uploading equipment and stages.
Lovely. I want to download this now! How can I do it?
Well, the DB is still in progress and we won't set any deadlines neither plans for release. Only I am working on this currently (with a little help from Jesleyh) so there's no need to rush. It won't be released in few months, but neither in few hours. Just be patient and it will come soon. It's not like there's alot of job like in making some huge DBs, such as PCMdaily DB.
I will write it here, post the link and explain everything once it gets finished.
Ha? You're the only one who works on this? I want to help you!
If you want to help me, just PM me. Currently, I don't need alot of help and I think everyone who has a little free time and just a bit of editor/graphics knowledge can really help.
To be concrete, I really need graphic designer to help me now. It's really not tough job and time consuming as it is with other jerseys, as you'll only need to combine 3 colours with some of the text on the jersey and that's all. I have alot of jerseys done now and alot of them are in progress, so you won't be cluttered with the job.
Okay, just a little info - I am working on this, but I really have limited time at the moment, so I can't spend alot of my free time on this. That will, however, change in few days, as my shortened 10-days long holiday starts tomorrow. I hope I'll be able to do it in the meantime.
Every help would be apperciated, especially in graphics part. I made jerseys template and I already have few examples, so PM me if you're willing to help and have some free time - It's really not time consuming and jerseys are very simple to do. Thanks in advance.
Edited by admirschleck on 15-04-2014 18:28
After many discussions, the staff of the NDB 14 will be more important! In fact, I started the same projetc 1 year ago, but I had many problems and less time I hoped, with school. So, with Klem-38, we'll make this DB together, admir an me! And the DB we'll be ready very quicker, because I have a very big jerseys pack!
admirschleck wrote:
Thanks for "connecting" us mede33, it really makes the job easier!
you're welcome ! If you achieve this project, i will be the first to download it !
PS : do you know you can force sponsors to sign only riders of their nationalities in the DYN_Sponsor_regions ?
Put a 3 in importance and 100 in pourcentage. Never tries in career, but it should have an influence.
The new PCM France : https://www.legruppetto.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=67
Just have a look, there's shirts and stages for you !
Okay guys, after few days of chat and constantly trying to make this work, we finally decided and we have two news. One is bad and another one is good. Let's start with bad one:
1. Bad one - We won't release this for PCM13, as we just can't make some stuff in .cdb to work. So, therefore, we decided to focus on jerseys and equipments. I can announce that we will have all the accessories and bikes, once we release it in PCM14! The main reason why we won't release this for PCM13 is just because there is around 1 month and 15 days left until PCM14 gets released, so there's no point in doing such a project this late. It was mistake in the start, but we understand it and apologize.
2. Good one - NDB 14 will be one of very first databases (besides real-names) to be released when PCM14 comes out! We still do have more than a month to complete all the jerseys, equipments and accessories and once PCM14 gets released, work on .CDB can start finally start.
DYN_Sponsor_Regions just refused to work as Mede33 noted. I maybe did something wrong, but the teams just didn't want to keep on signing guys from their own country.
We also have few little issues with equipment, but as clem-38 is the equipment "expert", we can only wait for him to come from holiday.
Other than that, the guys are good in graphics and it's all on me when it comes to .cdb, so it was pretty hard to do it all alone. Let's say I done about half of the things in DB (made the teams, put the riders in them and few more stuff), but I just couldn't do it anymore. Hopefully nothing would change in PCM14 in terms of editing, so we can actually just copy/paste that into our PCM14 project.
As far as i know it is impossible to have teams sign only from their home country. You can increase sponsor importance's but 100% nationality transfers is a dream. Look at how Euskaltel is set up in past DB's, their focus should be maxed out yet they will always sign people from outside that region. It's how the game (and the world of cycling) works, and it is not designed for a fantasy project like this.
If you are done with making teams and assigning riders i can't see any reason why it isn't ready for a release once the equipment/jerseys/graphics are done. You are more likely to run into problems with moving to PCM14. New .cdb files could bring all sorts of problems, especially with the promised changes to contracts/transfers/sponsors complexity.
Basically, can't do 100% focused transfers (never seen it done, or heard of it done) which should clear up your issue. Made it sound a lot bigger than it was
admirschleck wrote:
DYN_Sponsor_Regions just refused to work as Mede33 noted. I maybe did something wrong, but the teams just didn't want to keep on signing guys from their own country.
Mede is wrong. As TMM noticed, it's not possible to force teams to sign exclusively riders from a single country/region. Besides that, there's also the fact that the idea of transfers doesn't really bode well with a Nations DB (top riders from certain country should always ride in the same top team from that country).
That said, while a Nations DB isn't the most well adapted to career mode, you can still play in career mode as long as you're willing to edit the rosters after each season; and of course, it's pretty fun to play it in single race mode or a single season (meaning that career isn't the main focus). So if the DB is ready, I think you should consider a release, even because, while most people are likely to move to PCM14, there is still some people who will keep playing 13. On the other hand, you're right on the fact that PCM14 is just around the corner - releasing a DB that is intended for career mode (you'd usually expect a nice career to last more than a month) isn't the best idea, it's quite late for that, but as I said earlier, Nations DBs are mainly fun for single races/single seasons, right?
TheManxMissile wrote:
If you are done with making teams and assigning riders i can't see any reason why it isn't ready for a release once the equipment/jerseys/graphics are done. You are more likely to run into problems with moving to PCM14. New .cdb files could bring all sorts of problems, especially with the promised changes to contracts/transfers/sponsors complexity.
The .cdb will always change from game to game. Sometimes it changes a little, like PCM12~PCM13 (iirc the main change is really the lack of 2nd sponsors - in the 'editable' part of course, which is mainly what interests us), sometimes it changes a lot like PCM10~PCM11 (new sponsor system, changes in both equipment files and equipment .cdb part, country changed to regions, new popularity system, etc). Eventually you might need to re-work some sections of the .cdb but the core of work is usually transferable without major issues. So yes, moving the DB to PCM14 will require work, as always, but I doubt it'll be much of a problem
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