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2013 Vuelta a Espana - Week 3 (8th September - 15th September)
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| BritPCMFan |
Posted on 12-09-2013 19:40
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Hell, Lance is younger then Horner. |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 12-09-2013 19:46
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That team attack by Katusha was pretty weird. i thought it was PCM for a second.
RIP Exxon Duke, David Veilleux, Double Feature, and Monster Energy |
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| BritPCMFan |
Posted on 12-09-2013 19:50
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baseballlover312 wrote:
That team attack by Katusha was pretty weird. i thought it was PCM for a second.
I just remember Moreno's face screaming OMFG I'M GOING TO DIE! |
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| StevenGreen |
Posted on 12-09-2013 21:02
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So, for all you horner haters: why are you so bitter about him just being awesome, I mean all that doping crap you are saying is just useless, unless there is actual proof. And in case you don't know what proof is, proof is not something you think is obvious.
It is really funny how you say that this vuelta is not living up to your expectations and that it is just total crap and so on, because it actually is a really good one, I mean there was nibbles who was the big favorite and than there comes this Chris Horner along and makes it all really interesting. There are only two mountain stages left and the two favorites are 3 away from each other.
So I guess what I am saying is, shut up and enjoy the show. |
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| Selwink |
Posted on 12-09-2013 21:04
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StevenGreen wrote:
So, for all you horner haters: why are you so bitter about him just being awesome, I mean all that doping crap you are saying is just useless, unless there is actual proof. And in case you don't know what proof is, proof is not something you think is obvious.
It is really funny how you say that this vuelta is not living up to your expectations and that it is just total crap and so on, because it actually is a really good one, I mean there was nibbles who was the big favorite and than there comes this Chris Horner along and makes it all really interesting. There are only two mountain stages left and the two favorites are 3 away from each other.
So I guess what I am saying is, shut up and enjoy the show.
Very nice and spectacular racing doesn't mean there isn't dope there. I mean, weren't the ArmstrongVsUllrich battles nice to watch as well?
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 12-09-2013 21:13
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I haven't seen the stage, but I've seen the result and Horner will win this.
I think I'll stop watching the Vuelta just here... |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 12-09-2013 21:16
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StevenGreen wrote:
enjoy the show.
The problem is that not all people enjoy wrestling, especially as this was supposed to be a cycle race.
I enjoy this for its comedy value though. It's like watching Life of Brian pretending it's a documentary. 
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| StevenGreen |
Posted on 12-09-2013 21:23
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What exactly is not living up to your expectations in this vuelta? Beside that you think Horner is a cheat , for which you do not have any proof? |
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| StevenGreen |
Posted on 12-09-2013 21:29
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Very nice and spectacular racing doesn't mean there isn't dope there. I mean, weren't the ArmstrongVsUllrich battles nice to watch as well?[/quote]
My point was not that nice show equals no doping. My point was that you should just enjoy the nice show while there is no proof for any doping done |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 12-09-2013 21:31
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When did I say anything about my expectations? If anything, I did say that the racing was nowhere as bad as people are saying.
It's just that what I see it's so obviously unbelievable it's laughable, only wrestling can provide such a fake show with a straigh face. And sometimes not even them.
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 12-09-2013 21:32
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OK little game to play if you're bored. Open the link here and look at the list of times. Then open google in another tab and type in the name of each rider starting from the top and leave it there so it shows you the predictive thing. Keep doing it as you go down the list of people until you find someone who one of the 1st, 2nd or 3rd suggestions in the predictive thing doesn't have the word 'doping' after their name. Took me quite a ways down the list 
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| FreitasPCM |
Posted on 12-09-2013 21:34
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deek12345 wrote:
stole this off cycling news
escartÃn is 3 years older than horner.
Virenque is 2 years older than horner.
Pantani would be 1 year older than horner.
Nardello is 1 year younger than horner.
Ullrich is 2 years younger than horner.
Heras is 3 years younger than horner.
Commesso is 4 years younger than horner.
Mancebo is 5 years younger than horner.
Evans is 6 years younger than horner.
could get a few oldies back next year after seeing horners performance
Holy fuck o.O |
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| b3n3v3nt3 |
Posted on 12-09-2013 21:39
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So... Horner has the maillot blanco and he's by far the oldest guy in race, plus, he may actually win. Are we suposed to believe that a veteran can be this consistent (every single stage) in the most demanding Vuelta ever (I think)? |
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| BritPCMFan |
Posted on 12-09-2013 21:43
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StevenGreen wrote:
So, for all you horner haters: why are you so bitter about him just being awesome, I mean all that doping crap you are saying is just useless, unless there is actual proof. And in case you don't know what proof is, proof is not something you think is obvious.
It is really funny how you say that this vuelta is not living up to your expectations and that it is just total crap and so on, because it actually is a really good one, I mean there was nibbles who was the big favorite and than there comes this Chris Horner along and makes it all really interesting. There are only two mountain stages left and the two favorites are 3 away from each other.
So I guess what I am saying is, shut up and enjoy the show.
The problem for me isn't that to do with proof of doping. I actually defend(ish) Froome when his attacked and I don't mind watching him.
The difference is that with Horner, theres absolutely no even slightly vague reason for why it has happened. You don't suddenly get good at 42.
I never believed Armstrong because it was a fairytale. Same with Horner.
It still a good Vuelta imo because the fight behind is good, but the silly story at the front is too obvious. We might have all let the stage win slide.
I mean, he just outclimbed Purito after the second rest day. Thats like.  |
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 12-09-2013 21:49
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FreitasPCM wrote:
deek12345 wrote:
stole this off cycling news
escartÃn is 3 years older than horner.
Virenque is 2 years older than horner.
Pantani would be 1 year older than horner.
Nardello is 1 year younger than horner.
Ullrich is 2 years younger than horner.
Heras is 3 years younger than horner.
Commesso is 4 years younger than horner.
Mancebo is 5 years younger than horner.
Evans is 6 years younger than horner.
could get a few oldies back next year after seeing horners performance
Holy fuck o.O
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| Malkael |
Posted on 12-09-2013 22:06
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Stage 19 - San Vicente Barquera to Alto del Naranco (181 KM)
La Vuelta a Espana journeys to the Principality of Asturias and the city of Oviedo, capital city of the Principality and hometown of Euskaltel-Euskadi cyclist Sammuel Sanchez. Whilst easier than Stage 18, the 181km stage from San Vincente Barquera to the 2nd Category Alto del Naranco will still challenge the peloton.
Weather-wise the peloton should be in for another enjoyable day, with the sun shining and the temperature around a moderate 20-degrees Celsius. With the wind currently forecast to be a tailwind, beginning light but becoming stronger towards the first intermediate sprint at Villaviciosa (103km). However, there is a chance of more crosswinds as the race route changes direction to tackle the stage's three categorised climbs.
Stage 19 will feature 2,504 metres of accumulated climbing, with the vast majority of that coming during the remaining 80 kilometres of the stage. The peloton will tackle three three categorised climbs, as well as several uncategorised obstacles. With the first categorised climb of the day arriving with just 32.7 kilometres remaining.
On the agenda for the peloton are the two 3rd Category climbs of the Alto de San Emiliano and the Alto de la Manzaneda, followed by a finish upon the 2nd Category Alto del Naranco. The Alto de San Emiliano's slopes measures 6.3 kilometres in distance at an average gradient of 4.6 percent. Whilst the Alto de la Manzaneda's slopes have an average gradient of 6.2 percent over a distance of 3.6 kilometres.
Final Kilometers - Alto del Naraco (5.7 KM @ 4.2%)
Before beginning the ascent of the final climb for the day, the Alto del Naranco, the peloton shall first cycle through Oviedo. Upon reaching the outskirts of the city the peloton will begin the ascent of the 2nd Category Alto del Naranco. Whose slopes measure 5.7 kilometres in length and feature an average gradient of 4.2 percent. However, my own personal calculations have the average gradient at 6 percent.
Unfortunately race organisers Unipublic have neglected to provide details on the climb's gradient on a kilometre by kilometre basis. However, sources I trust are reporting that there in a section of 10% to be found some three kilometres from the conclusion of the climb and the stage. Whilst the final two kilometres are reportedly at an average gradient of 6.5 percent.
The breakaway are on a role at the moment, and tomorrow could be no different with the immensely challenging Alto de L'Angrilu looming the next day. With several teams still chasing a stage victory, as well as Euskaltel-Euskadi and Movistar fighting for the Team classification, the composition of the breakaway tomorrow could make or break it.
There are several strong candidates who could attempt to involve themselves in the breakaway. With Lampre-Merida possessing two great contenders with Michele Scarponi and Diego Ulissi. Posing no threat to the General Classification it wouldn't also be a surprise to see Bauke Mollema attempt to snatch a second stage victory. Whilst Euskaltel-Euskadi have the trio of Mikel Landa, Igor Anton, and Mikel Neive to choose from.
It certainly would not be a surprise to see someone like Warren Barguil, Luis Sergio Henao, or Rigoberto Uran involved again. While NetApp-Endura's Bartosz Huzarski could also attempt to involve himself in the breakaway again. We can also expect to see at least one rider from Spanish Pro-Continental team Caja Rural. Team Movistar will also be eager to get involved, who surprisingly are still lacking a stage victory.
Unfortunately Sammuel Sanchez would be too great of a threat in the General Classification to get involved. However, the local Asturian cyclist may attempt something should the breakaway be close on the final climb, or ultimately chased down by the peloton. Sammy Sanchez has been riding himself in to form over these last three weeks, and while not as good as the major General Classification riders he could be allowed some breathing room.
Another stage for the breakaway? Or will the peloton catch the breakaway today? Regardless of who wins the stage, will Chris Horner try to win the Maillot Rojo (Red Jersey) ahead of Stage 20? Can he drop Vincenzo Nibali on this "easier" climb? |
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| dienblad |
Posted on 12-09-2013 22:09
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Stromeon wrote:
OK little game to play if you're bored. Open the link here and look at the list of times. Then open google in another tab and type in the name of each rider starting from the top and leave it there so it shows you the predictive thing. Keep doing it as you go down the list of people until you find someone who one of the 1st, 2nd or 3rd suggestions in the predictive thing doesn't have the word 'doping' after their name. Took me quite a ways down the list
Wout Poels as the first one??
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| dienblad |
Posted on 12-09-2013 22:13
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Well, if Horner has accomplished one thing in this Vuelta, besides becoming even stronger in the 3rd week of a tough GT, is that his way of riding is saring to make me believe Froome is clean.... Froome is younger, riding good for 2 years now (and not suddenly at the age of 67) and showed some weakness in the final week of the Tour. And if my memory isn't damaged too much by too much wine in the past months, I can't remember Froome doing 6,70 in the Tour (lease correct me if I'm wrong).... 
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 12-09-2013 22:13
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dienblad wrote:
Stromeon wrote:
OK little game to play if you're bored. Open the link here and look at the list of times. Then open google in another tab and type in the name of each rider starting from the top and leave it there so it shows you the predictive thing. Keep doing it as you go down the list of people until you find someone who one of the 1st, 2nd or 3rd suggestions in the predictive thing doesn't have the word 'doping' after their name. Took me quite a ways down the list
Wout Poels as the first one??
yep though Sastre comes up with 'Carlos Sastre doping' and 'Carlos Sastre clean'
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 12-09-2013 22:24
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dienblad wrote:
Well, if Horner has accomplished one thing in this Vuelta, besides becoming even stronger in the 3rd week of a tough GT, is that his way of riding is saring to make me believe Froome is clean.... Froome is younger, riding good for 2 years now (and not suddenly at the age of 67) and showed some weakness in the final week of the Tour. And if my memory isn't damaged too much by too much wine in the past months, I can't remember Froome doing 6,70 in the Tour (lease correct me if I'm wrong)....
No, Froome didn't do 6,7, I reckon he did 6,4 or something in Ax-3-Domaines though.
That being said, if you don't give the duration, that means crap.
So, Horner has apparently done 6,7 (I've read 6,85 too, not sure which one is right) during 16-17 minutes after 5 climbs in the third week of a GT, whereas Froome's biggest achievements in terms of Watts was at Ax where he did 6,4 or 6,5 W/kg during 22-23 minutes, after 8 days of racing and one mountain.
For efforts that last 20 to 60 minutes, and a 70 kg rider, the power loss is about 1 W/minute, which means one given rider would achieve 40 Watts more (average) on a 20 minutes efforts.
Have I written often enough how I don't have any faith in Froome and been logical enough to let people draw conclusions about Horner ?
Still, there's one thing that needs questioning about today's final climb results. Many contenders, including some I tend to believe they're clean, have set excellent times. Maybe a tailwind factor has been underestimated or something like that ? |
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