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2013 Vuelta a Espana - Week 3 (8th September - 15th September)
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 08-09-2013 16:24
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So Cardoso came in now 14 minutes behind Geniez. Did he walk up the climb and I didn't notice? |
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 08-09-2013 16:24
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Guido Mukk wrote:
Kangert seems to hit wall today..out of top 10
Seems to stay in 10th, after all 
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| I_Mayo |
Posted on 08-09-2013 16:25
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Aquarius wrote:
Standing on the pedals : worse aerodynamics, less output, but more power overall. Worth it for attacks, and must be alternated with climbing on the saddle along the way to relieve muscles.
Doing it all the way means you're either infinitely superior (because of the various output issues), either stupid. But when you win or fight for the win, it's working, so stupidity can be ruled out -> Horner must be feeling very superior (at least very strong) to afford climbing like that.
That just "amazes" me so much. Even Contador during his best seasons didn't stand all the way through climb.
And btw I don't know where this Kise=Porte comparison comes from. Not only he is million times more talented climber than Porte, but also he had his bad days (actually a lot of them).
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| FreitasPCM |
Posted on 08-09-2013 16:28
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Miguel98 wrote:
So Cardoso came in now 14 minutes behind Geniez. Did he walk up the climb and I didn't notice?
He finished 22nd 7 minutes behind. |
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| CountArach |
Posted on 08-09-2013 16:31
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Well that was boring. I mean I get that it wasn't a proper summit finish but no one wanted to give it a go once things were sorted out with about 10 to go.
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 08-09-2013 16:33
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CountArach wrote:
Well that was boring. I mean I get that it wasn't a proper summit finish but no one wanted to give it a go once things were sorted out with about 10 to go.
This. For a stage with that many hard climbs something should have happened. Valverde and Purito only wait until the last kilometre, so, screw them. And if they don't, they do Schleck like attacks. Kiserlovski makes everything for Horneroome, so nothing there. And then neither Valverde nor Purito attack Nibbles and Horneroome. |
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 08-09-2013 16:39
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CountArach wrote:
Well that was boring. I mean I get that it wasn't a proper summit finish but no one wanted to give it a go once things were sorted out with about 10 to go.
I'm just hoping that it'll teach ASO to stop overusing poor climbs like Peyresourde. If they absolutely had to visit France with the Vuelta, they could at least have tested some new climb (preferrably French Basque Country, although that was never going to happen).
Also, could someone please explain to me why Uran emptied himself to hang on to the favourite group when he's way down the GC and the stage win was out of reach. Seemed like a very unnecessary waste of energy to me.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 08-09-2013 16:40
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If only Dan Martin was here. 
RIP Exxon Duke, David Veilleux, Double Feature, and Monster Energy |
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| I_Mayo |
Posted on 08-09-2013 16:41
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baseballlover312 wrote:
If only Dan Martin was here.
Nothing would have changed. |
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| CountArach |
Posted on 08-09-2013 16:42
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
Also, could someone please explain to me why Uran emptied himself to hang on to the favourite group when he's way down the GC and the stage win was out of reach. Seemed like a very unnecessary waste of energy to me.
Testing himself before the WC?
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 08-09-2013 16:43
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
CountArach wrote:
Well that was boring. I mean I get that it wasn't a proper summit finish but no one wanted to give it a go once things were sorted out with about 10 to go.
I'm just hoping that it'll teach ASO to stop overusing poor climbs like Peyresourde. If they absolutely had to visit France with the Vuelta, they could at least have tested some new climb (preferrably French Basque Country, although that was never going to happen).
Also, could someone please explain to me why Uran emptied himself to hang on to the favourite group when he's way down the GC and the stage win was out of reach. Seemed like a very unnecessary waste of energy to me.
What do I wanna know is how a guy who finishes in 2nd place in the Giro and before the Vuelta says that he wants to finish a good GC underperforms like this. |
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 08-09-2013 16:43
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baseballlover312 wrote:
If only Dan Martin was here.
Yeah, I'd really enjoy seeing Arroyo ahead of him in the GC
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 08-09-2013 16:49
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
If only Dan Martin was here.
Yeah, I'd really enjoy seeing Arroyo ahead of him in the GC
You'd be very disapointed then.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 08-09-2013 16:55
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Miguel98 wrote:
Pellizotti2 wrote:
CountArach wrote:
Well that was boring. I mean I get that it wasn't a proper summit finish but no one wanted to give it a go once things were sorted out with about 10 to go.
I'm just hoping that it'll teach ASO to stop overusing poor climbs like Peyresourde. If they absolutely had to visit France with the Vuelta, they could at least have tested some new climb (preferrably French Basque Country, although that was never going to happen).
Also, could someone please explain to me why Uran emptied himself to hang on to the favourite group when he's way down the GC and the stage win was out of reach. Seemed like a very unnecessary waste of energy to me.
What do I wanna know is how a guy who finishes in 2nd place in the Giro and before the Vuelta says that he wants to finish a good GC underperforms like this.
Uran was never going for GC in the Vuelta. He is solely here to prepare for the WC.
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 08-09-2013 16:56
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Spilak23 wrote:
Miguel98 wrote:
Pellizotti2 wrote:
CountArach wrote:
Well that was boring. I mean I get that it wasn't a proper summit finish but no one wanted to give it a go once things were sorted out with about 10 to go.
I'm just hoping that it'll teach ASO to stop overusing poor climbs like Peyresourde. If they absolutely had to visit France with the Vuelta, they could at least have tested some new climb (preferrably French Basque Country, although that was never going to happen).
Also, could someone please explain to me why Uran emptied himself to hang on to the favourite group when he's way down the GC and the stage win was out of reach. Seemed like a very unnecessary waste of energy to me.
What do I wanna know is how a guy who finishes in 2nd place in the Giro and before the Vuelta says that he wants to finish a good GC underperforms like this.
Uran was never going for GC in the Vuelta. He is solely here to prepare for the WC.
Really? I remember reading something about him wanting to go for a good GC. Or that my be Henao. Still, Henao is underforming anyway. |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 08-09-2013 17:03
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CountArach wrote:
Well that was boring. I mean I get that it wasn't a proper summit finish but no one wanted to give it a go once things were sorted out with about 10 to go.
It wasn't that much boring, imo. Sure, a stage as hard as this one (MTF or not) should have caused bigger gaps, but we had lots of attacks, even one from a high placed GC contender from far out. It's just that no rider was strong enough to open a gap, but it just happens sometimes. It's far more concerning, and boring, when nobody attacks, or when they wait til the last 2km, as they did so many times in the, supposedly awesome, last year's Vuelta.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 08-09-2013 17:09
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Agreed. Last year made racing look like "what's the point of having 7-15 km long MTF when all the action happens in the last 2 000 metres anyway". |
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| HaRe |
Posted on 08-09-2013 18:10
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what a vuelta. 21 yrs old wins, later 23 yrs old and now 25 yrs old.  And Nibali is closer and closer. Pinot is losing strength. And the number of riders out of the race is bigger and bigger. So far the best GT! Has anyone seen Sky? Im losing em. |
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| Malkael |
Posted on 09-09-2013 01:35
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Stage 16 - Graus to Sallent De Gállego. Aramón Formigal (146.8 KM)
A challenging Stage 15 eventually saw no changes in the make-up of the General Classification; with Vincenzo Nibali, Christopher Horner, and Alejandro Valverde finishing together. While the parcours for Stage 16 appear to be easier in comparison to yesterday. La Vuelta a Espana has proven that sometimes it is on the “easier days” that the race overall can be won or lost. As the riders journey 146.8km from Graus to Sallent De Gállego - Aramón Formigal.
Fortunately for the peloton the weather during Stage 15 was not quite as horrid as it could have been. The riders also appeared to come better prepared for the forecast weather than they did for Stage 14, where several riders withdrew due to hypothermia. A return to warmer temperatures and sunnier days is currently predicted, with some cloud possible during the categorised climbs.
Stage 16 only features three categorised climbs, however, the route incorporates a steady constant climb to the finish at Sallent De Gállego - Aramón Formigal. The parcours include 2,735m of accumulated climbing, with the descents the only areas where the riders may be able to try and recuperate. With the climbs becoming progressively harder as the peloton summit one Category 3 climb, one Category 2 climb, and finish upon a Category 1 climb.
Arriving just 20km in to the stage is the ascent of the Category 3 Alto de la Foradada. The climb measures 5.9km in length and has an average gradient of 5.9%, how is that for a coincidence. After a short descent the peloton will continue to climb, eventually reaching the slopes of the Category 2 Puerto de Cotefablo at the 87.5km mark. Whose slope is 12.5km in distance and features an average gradient of 4%, nothing major but still like hell for a tired rider's legs.
Category 1 - Aramón Formigal (15.8 KM @ 4%
Unless something unexpected happens, the General Classification contenders should challenge the strength of their rivals while ascending the Category 1 Aramón Formigal. Measuring 15.8km in length, there will be plenty of kilometres remaining for a fatigued rider to finally crack. While the average gradient may only be 4%, the rugged inconsistent nature of the slope means there will be several dips and spikes in the gradient.
The final five kilometres of the stage, approaching the finishing line, will be nowhere near as easy as the 4% average gradient suggests. With gradient surpassing 6% for roughly 2500m; with gradient of 7.14%, 7%, and 8% respectively. Whilst the final kilometre will be around 5% in gradient, which still favours someone like Valverde if a sprint happens, but makes the result less certain.
Unless the General Classification riders are prepared to cooperate to control the breakaway for an opportunity at a stage victory, this could be another great stage for the breakaway. After two difficult days in the Pyrenees the peloton will be weary and looking forward to the rest day. With no need to worry about overexerting oneself ahead of another tough stage the day after, there is some incentive for the peloton to ride with some vigour.
With several teams teams yet to claim a stage victory, there will be an eagerness to position at least one rider within the breakaway. Predicting the ultimate make-up of the breakaway is terribly tricky. Should someone deemed a threat to one of the General Classification standings get involved we can expect the breakaway to experience difficulties forming at first.
Some of the following teams will be very eager to salvage something of their 2013 Vuelta a Espana campaign. Expect to see a presence in the breakaway from Caja Rural again, as they attempt to claim a massive stage victory. With Euskaltel-Euskadi again eager to salvage more than just provisional Top 20 placings in the General Classification. While Lampre-Merida, with no real General Classification threat, will be eager to salvage something, perhaps with Deigo Ulissi.
Yet another day for the breakaway? The peloton will be fatigued from the previous two stages, but there is the incentive of tomorrow's rest day to egg them on. In the event of the General Classification contenders contesting the stage victory, who is your favourite for the stage victory and bonus seconds available? |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 09-09-2013 08:01
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König still nicely in the top10, i wonder if he can challenge Pinot for 7th, Thibaults seems like loosing bit of a grip in last days, should be a nice battle.
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