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La Vuelta 2013 - Week One (24th-30th August)
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 27-08-2013 17:50
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baseballlover312 wrote:
black_alecs_x wrote:
It was a 6 sec. gap beacuse if it's a bike length beetwen 2 riders there is a gap, but the gap is calculated from the first in the group to the first in the following group.
Practically first rider in Horner's group created the gap between himself and the guy in front. And that means that Horner group arrived 6 sec. behind Moreno
What I'm saying is there was also more than a bike length between Moreno and cancellara, and Canc and Matthews, but no time gaps.
Cancellara crossed the line when the timer was still on 00" and Matthews crossed right after it went to 1" so there never was a 1 sec gap between them.
The timer was at 4" when LLS crossed and at 6" when the BMC guy crossed so there was a 1" gap between these two groups |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 27-08-2013 17:54
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Spilak23 wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
black_alecs_x wrote:
It was a 6 sec. gap beacuse if it's a bike length beetwen 2 riders there is a gap, but the gap is calculated from the first in the group to the first in the following group.
Practically first rider in Horner's group created the gap between himself and the guy in front. And that means that Horner group arrived 6 sec. behind Moreno
What I'm saying is there was also more than a bike length between Moreno and cancellara, and Canc and Matthews, but no time gaps.
Cancellara crossed the line when the timer was still on 00" and Matthews crossed right after it went to 1" so there never was a 1 sec gap between them.
The timer was at 4" when LLS crossed and at 6" when the BMC guy crossed so there was a 1" gap between these two groups
Pretty sure there is no way that gap was less than a second unless I have proof.
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 27-08-2013 17:59
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baseballlover312 wrote:
black_alecs_x wrote:
It was a 6 sec. gap beacuse if it's a bike length beetwen 2 riders there is a gap, but the gap is calculated from the first in the group to the first in the following group.
Practically first rider in Horner's group created the gap between himself and the guy in front. And that means that Horner group arrived 6 sec. behind Moreno
What I'm saying is there was also more than a bike length between Moreno and cancellara, and Canc and Matthews, but no time gaps.
Sorry to bring some science into proceedings but time =/= distance
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 27-08-2013 18:08
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jph27 wrote:
What happened to Pinot? 
There is a replay of the stage on now, and it looks like a FDJ rider stopped on the side of the road at the start of the descent.
Could that be him?
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 27-08-2013 18:11
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valverde321 wrote:
jph27 wrote:
What happened to Pinot?
There is a replay of the stage on now, and it looks like a FDJ rider stopped on the side of the road at the start of the descent.
Could that be him?
As said before, probably it wasn't him since Roux and Elyssonde finished in the front group. |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 27-08-2013 18:18
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Pretty sure there is no way that gap was less than a second unless I have proof.
They've clearly crossed the line inside 5 seconds here as the timer is still at 4". The automatic timer put the BMC guy at 6" so there is a clear 1" gap between these groups...
Stromeon wrote:
Sorry to bring some science into proceedings but time =/= distance
Time gaps matters. Distance doesn't. |
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 27-08-2013 18:28
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Spilak23 wrote:
Stromeon wrote:
Sorry to bring some science into proceedings but time =/= distance
Time gaps matters. Distance doesn't.
That's pretty much what I said 
Edited by Stromeon on 27-08-2013 18:38
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| HaRe |
Posted on 27-08-2013 18:30
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Moreno awesome! But wish Cancellara had won this one. |
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 27-08-2013 18:31
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Pinot confirmed to reach at 6 seconds. |
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 27-08-2013 18:40
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Betancur, Anacona and Intxausti + 14 minutes
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 27-08-2013 18:42
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Betancur is here to walk, Anacona is in bad shape probably and Intxausti, well, I don't know. |
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| dienblad |
Posted on 27-08-2013 18:51
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2 stages in a row with a rider doing a Gilbert back in his winning / suspicious season...... Don't want to think like that, but when Horner gets "criticized", why doesnt get Moreno?? Doing a kilometre uphill sprint, almost completely out of the saddle... I just don't believe these Katusha-guys.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 27-08-2013 18:54
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dienblad wrote:
2 stages in a row with a rider doing a Gilbert back in his winning / suspicious season...... Don't want to think like that, but when Horner gets "criticized", why doesnt get Moreno?? Doing a kilometre uphill sprint, almost completely out of the saddle... I just don't believe these Katusha-guys.
And you indeed shouldn't. Moreno was one of the guys caught in the wiretaps in Operacion Galgo.
Amazingly, nothing was ever done. To him, to LLS, to Kolobnev or to Maté.
In fact, Maté is currently one of the 4 representatives of the riders association (the others being Dumoulin, Voigt and O'Grady)
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| coutas98 |
Posted on 27-08-2013 18:56
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Just saw the final km. Great push by Moreno. |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 27-08-2013 19:03
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Was LLS also involved in a third operation? How many different places did he go for some juice?  |
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| Malkael |
Posted on 27-08-2013 19:56
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Stage 5 - Sober to Lago de Sanabria (173.4 KM)
La Vuelta a Espana bids farewell to the autonomous region of Galicia, as the race crosses over in to the province of Zamora, part of the autonomous region of Castile and León. While the stage profile may suggest a mountain stage, today may actually be the first opportunity for the sprinters to shine. A rugged journey of 174.3km from Sober to Lago De Sanabria awaits the peloton on Stage 5.
Featuring false flats and two Category 3 climbs, today's stage will certainly not be for the weary. The slopes of the Alto do Covelo and Alto de Padornelo may tentatively be 11km and 10km in length respectively, however, both climbs have low average gradients. With an average gradient of 4% for the Alto do Covelo and 2.6% for the Alto de Padornelo, the sprinters should on paper be able to remain in contact with the peloton.
With the Vuelta a Espana cycling away from the Galician coastline and in to the Spanish hinterlands the wind should cause the peloton less distress. However, as the peloton ascend and escape the protection of the valleys the wind could, according to the race organisers, buffet the peloton. The wind is predicted to arrive from a North-Easterly to Easterly direction, which could see the peloton pushing in to some headwinds and crosswinds whilst exposed.
We should be in for a high octane finish to Stage 5, with the stage finishing nearby Sanabria Lake. The approach in to the finishing shall be relatively flat, and ever so slightly downhill for the final kilometre, so the largest problem inhibiting a bunch sprint will be the road. Positioning could be more crucial than usual with the numerous curves and bends present, whilst the road's width could also be a factor.
After his impressive sprint to secure third position during Stage 4, Michael Matthews has the perfect opportunity to claim his first victory in the 2013 Vuelta a Espana. Orica-GreenEDGE managed to position Matthews for the uphill sprint despite losing Gerrans and Sulzberger to the Mirador de Ézaro and injury. Leigh Howard will also be an option for the Australian outfit should Matthews be feeling off colour.
Meanwhile Dutch outfit Argos-Shimano will be hopeful of scoring another Grand Tour stage victory with either Nikias Arndt, Ramon Sinkeldam, or Reinardt Janse Van Rensburg. With all three sprinters eager to prove themselves, Argos-Shimano have the flexibility to support whichever is feeling the best that particular day. As they are all hopeful of getting opportunities to prove their worth in the sprints.
In comparison, American outfit Garmin-Sharp will be supporting a veteran American sprinter in Tyler Farrar. While the American has never rediscovered the abilities which took him to a stage victory in the Tour de France, against this Vuelta a Espana field he should be able to prosper. However, his cause will not be helped by the abandonment of Koldo Fernandez and the team's split goal of protecting Irishman Dan Martin.
Other teams who could potential throw a cat among the pigeons are Omega Pharma – Quick-Step, Lotto-Belisol, and FDJ.fr. The flatness of the sprint does not suit Gianni Meersman's abilities, though the roughness of the stage may tire the pure sprinters for an opportunity to open. Whilst Lotto-Belisol have brought a squad mixed with experience and youth, with cyclists like Gregory Henderson and Adam Hansen they could form a formidable lead-out for another young sprinter in Tosh Van der Sande. With form coming in to La Vuelta from the Vuelta a Burgos, Anthony Roux could also make an impact.
Probably a day for the sprinters in all honesty, but even some of the teams have been off with their previews. With some of the recent more exciting stage profiles however leaving some people disappointed, perhaps this less spectacular stage will surprise.
Will the young guns claim the limelight? Or shall the wise old heads thwart their enthusiasm and youthfulness? |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 27-08-2013 20:00
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issoisso wrote:
And you indeed shouldn't. Moreno was one of the guys caught in the wiretaps in Operacion Galgo.
Amazingly, nothing was ever done. To him, to LLS, to Kolobnev or to Maté.
In fact, Maté is currently one of the 4 representatives of the riders association (the others being Dumoulin, Voigt and O'Grady)
I have no clue about Dumoulin, but the three others... 
It feels a bit like when Bjarne Riis when to the negotiations with ASO during the TDF 1998 strikes. 't wasn't for his language skills. |
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| Malkael |
Posted on 27-08-2013 20:02
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Apparently Radioshack-Leopard launched a protest over the time gap which cost Horner the Red Jersey. Then had it struck down when the review revealed...
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| BritPCMFan |
Posted on 27-08-2013 20:25
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The time row is easy to explain really. A gap is only classified as a gap is there a timeable one second gap between riders crossing line. There was not one whole second between Moreno and Canc. Nor was there between Canc and Matthews.
There was just over a one second gap between LLS and BMC guy. Hense the split.
And I think the main diff in attitudes towards Horner/Moreno is simple. Horner is winning his first GT stage at 41 and is one of Lance's mate. Moreno is ten years younger, has already won a GT stage and isn't one of Lance's friends.
His also Spanish, which helps alot. I've noticed that no-one ever seems to ever attack Spanish riders for doping. I don't know why exactly, maybe because they have such a bad doping history we just all naturally assume they are doped and therefore don't need to debate it XD. |
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| Wilier |
Posted on 27-08-2013 20:41
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Before the rise of Team Sky, the Spanish cyclists were the centre of doping discussions.
There were very few people who cheered for Contador and Valverde. Now things are clearly different, though they're still the same riders.
Edited by Wilier on 27-08-2013 20:42
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