So I tried starting a career with 2012 db, and kept noticing that several riders had low potential stats in areas they should have been strong. So dug in a bit and found that the reason for this was the type of rider they were classified as at the start of the game.
Anyhow spent the last 3 days working on fixing this problem as best as possible and the best way is to adjust "STA_type_rider" in the .cdb. That part adjusts how a rider is classified, and with the proper tuning most riders can be classified correctly.
Here is the tuning I came up with:
Id
CONSTANT
SP
ACC
REC
MO
RES
TT
PRO
END
PLA
HIL
COB
BAR
1
tour
0
0
0.1
0.7
0
0.2
0
0
0
0
0
0
2
mountain
0
0.1
-0.1
0.7
0.2
-0.2
0
0
0
0.3
0
0
3
timetrial
0
0
-0.15
-0.2
0.45
0.5
0.15
0
0.35
0
-0.1
0
4
sprint
0.6
0.25
0
0
0
0
0
0.15
0
0
0
0
5
ardennaises
0.1
0.05
0
0
0
0
0
0.55
0
0.3
0
0
6
flandriennes
0
0.1
0
0
0.1
-0.1
0.05
0.1
0.15
0
0.55
0.05
7
flat
-0.1
0
0
-0.1
0
-0.1
0
0
0.75
0
0
0.55
Also here is a list of riders I was primarily looking to correct,
Team
Old Class
New Class
AG2R
Roche
Puncher
Stage
Riblon
TT
Stage
Astana
Kreuziger
Puncher
Stage
Brajkovic
TT
Stage
Kiserlovski
Puncher
Climber
Seeldraeyers
Stage
Climber
BMC
Van Garderen
TT
Stage
Cummings
TT
Stage
Euskaltel
Sanchez
Puncher
Stage
Garmin
Haussler
Sprinter
Northern
Katusha
Rodriguez
Puncher
Climber
Moreno
Puncher
Climber
Lampre
Bertagnolli
Stage
Climber
Lotto
Van den Broeck
Climber
Stage
Van de Walle
TT
Stage
Omega
Velits
Climber
Stage
Rabobank
Sanchez
TT
Stage
Kruijswijk
Climber
Stage
Radioshack
A. Schleck
Climber
Stage
F. Schleck
Puncher
Climber
Kloden
TT
Stage
Fuglsang
TT
Stage
Monfort
TT
Stage
Popovych
TT
Stage
Machado
TT
Stage
Gerdemann
Puncher
Stage
Sky
Wiggens
TT
Stage
Froome
TT
Stage
Uran
Puncher
Climber
EBH
TT
Sprinter
Rodgers
TT
Stage
Thomas
TT
Northern
Henao
Puncher
Climber
Nordhaug
Climber
Stage
Saxobank
Sørensen
Puncher
Climber
VacansOleil
Poels
Puncher
Climber
Westra
Fighter
TT
Carrara
Puncher
Climber
Feel free to comment, add thoughts, discuss what classifications riders should should have. Bring up any other riders you think are misclassified.
Please note, this does affect the Average rating of a rider. However the actual abilities of the riders are unaffected. Riders only get their "Average" from Stage, Ardennes, Cobbles, and Sprinters classifications. Riders classified as Climbers, Time Trialist or Fighter will generally have a lower average unless they are also good at one of the other 4. (IE Cancellara is classified as a time trialist, but is also great on cobbles).
Edited by Kentaurus on 30-05-2012 04:53
I think now that Haussler is more of a sprinter than he used to be, he has only got 2 good results in cobbled races in the last 3 years (Both in Omloop Het Nieuwlsbad, or however its spelt) And A.Schleck as a stage racer? I think that's be right but I still find it funny
Eden95 wrote:
I think now that Haussler is more of a sprinter than he used to be, he has only got 2 good results in cobbled races in the last 3 years (Both in Omloop Het Nieuwlsbad, or however its spelt) And A.Schleck as a stage racer? I think that's be right but I still find it funny
LMAO, those are the two I fought myself the hardest on ... Every bone in me would say Andy is a climber, but with a TdF win (kinda) and a handful of podiums in TdF how can he not be a stage racer?
As for Haussler, I am also split on that one, I generally think of him as a sprinter, but he isn't bad on the cobbles. Going forward in his future though I think he has a better chance at improving on the cobbles and winning there than improving in the sprint and winning those.
I think this is all bogus. The rider type will be calculated by the game every month or so, so changing it manually has no effect whatsoever.
Also the values in that table are used only to calculate the AVG value, it does not affect the performance of the riders in the races at all.
Lachi wrote:
I think this is all bogus. The rider type will be calculated by the game every month or so, so changing it manually has no effect whatsoever.
Also the values in that table are used only to calculate the AVG value, it does not affect the performance of the riders in the races at all.
Rider type is calculated every month, and can certainly change, however the potential maximums for each riders skills are set at the very start of a career, and use tables based on what rider type they are classified as at the start of the career.
As an example, I'll use Tejay Van Garderen.
FL
MO
DH
COB
TT
PR
SP
ACC
END
RES
REC
HIL
FTR
Before
79
78
81
74
81
83
78
74
74
80
71
76
78
After
77
82
78
67
78
78
71
77
81
81
84
81
73
That is a table of his potential maximum values, in the current DB he will be a very good time trial rider, but only a good climber with a sprint and poor recovery?
The second is after the fix, he becomes an elite climber with a good TT, like a stage racer should have.
Lachi wrote:
I think this is all bogus. The rider type will be calculated by the game every month or so, so changing it manually has no effect whatsoever.
Also the values in that table are used only to calculate the AVG value, it does not affect the performance of the riders in the races at all.
Yes, but he isn't changing the rider type, instead he's changing how the game calculates the rider type (which results in the changes in rider type going all the way in the career).
And it isn't supposed to affect the performance of riders, but instead to affect which stats they should have more potential in (the rider type is used by the game to define, if the rider has a good potential, where will he improve the most).
I think it's good, but I'd maybe add some 0.05 in REC and 0.05~0.1 in TT for the stage racer. And I disagree about Schleck being a stage racer, he's a climber but good to the level of being able to challenge stage races (and usually loosing them because he's not complete - lacks good TT).
I don't know too much about codes, but I'll try to put them in my DB and check.
The problem about this is that potentials are based on opinions. I think Tejay is a time trialer who can climb and will stay like that in the future, so apart from his absolutely ridiculous sprint, the first stats fit him better. I'm also worried about the number of riders who will develop as a time trialer, looking at your examples.
Vien wrote:
The problem about this is that potentials are based on opinions. I think Tejay is a time trialer who can climb and will stay like that in the future, so apart from his absolutely ridiculous sprint, the first stats fit him better. I'm also worried about the number of riders who will develop as a time trialer, looking at your examples.
True, kinda agree. Even if the rider is classified as mountain or TT it doesn't mean he won't go for stage races. And there are too much rider classified as stage races, the balance isn't much good on that.
