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TankNL
stumbled on another file that looks abandoned;
STA_roster_type_leader

anybody know that it is used for? setup looks interesting; correlation between leader_type en cya_top_tour races (mapping in percentages?)
 
TankNL
Ok, I have edited a lot of the program_info file.
https://dl.dropbox...ation.xlsx

In the excel you can alter races (race id's) in columns F to K and columns T to X will turn up green if the race date is in the correct month. don't have the overlapping of the races programmed yet (could be done if anybody wants). In column B the gene_ilist_fkIDrace is filled automaticly. So if you would copy columns A to C to STA_program_info, than you're ready to go.

Feel free to comment, or post your version of STA_program_info.
Edited by TankNL on 28-02-2012 22:34
 
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TankNL
The pain seems to be in the end of the year, where the Vuelta is overlapping the Vattenfall Cyclassics en Plouay and in and Lombardia is in September instead of October
Edited by TankNL on 29-02-2012 07:32
 
lluuiiggii
TankNL wrote:
I'm a bit more sceptical then you are. I haven't seen many updates of these parts in the database over the last few years. In my view the only do a minimal setup and I think theres more to gain from these tables.

I'm thinking of redoing them like Ruben does and will post them here for comment and directions Smile

Tbh I had never seen it this way. I do still think that it's right (=there's a reason) for why only 7 type of leaders appear in STA_program, so that shouldn't be touched (which would also keep the realism, as I already said). But maybe it's true that STA_program_info could be bettered. As I told in my first post here, I'm not an expert in these tables, so I might have been wrong indeed.

You seem very determined, so good luck in this work Smile
 
CrueTrue
STA_program_info is outdated - that's for sure. As Tank already said, there's race IDs in there which no longer exist. So not even Cyanide is making this correctly which thus also makes this harder for everyone else.

As a DB-maker myself, I could go and do what Tank is doing now, but with all the other DB-work there's simply not time to change too much considering the relatively low "pay-out" - honestly, race dates don't matter too much in my opinion. Especially not in 2012 where everything is messed up due to the Olympics.

That being said, I appreciate what you're doing, Tank (you should know that by now Wink), and I'm looking forward to see what you're able to pull off.
 
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TankNL
Thanks CrueTrue, just happy to help.

@Ruben; do you have a suggestion for august?
 
TankNL
Guys or Girls, with cycling knowledge, I need your help.
https://dl.dropbox...ation.xlsx

In the file above, there is a tab called "aug - sept - okt" in this sheet you'll find options / scenario's that i find logica to combine for the cyclist to use as a program. for example in august; only ride the Vuelta, or another variant ride the Vuelta a Burgos than Clasica Ciclista San Sebastian en than the Vuelta...

I don't need all the options, I just want the program's that you see doable, or likely for the cyclists (World Tour level). You would help me allot if you would edit the Excel and post it here, or give your examples of the months in this forum.

I will use those scenario's in the program_info in order to get realistic starting lineups. keep in mind that i used PCMDaily as the reference database, so it could be that you are missing races...

Please leave a message if your interested.
Edited by TankNL on 01-03-2012 23:15
 
TankNL
Hmm, i'm not getting a lot of reactions here. Might give it another try. If you are a team director and you have a potential TdF winner in your team. What would be his race program? Let say: Evans, Schleck, Contador, Gesink or Nibali. Every program would be different right? so, what combinations do you guys see?

What if I would create a database (based on PCMDaily2012v1 and I would alter the calendar (already have that) + an new program_info inside. Are there any volunteers that would like to run some test for me?
 
lluuiiggii
It's a pity that the community doesn't seem to have a lot of interest on these things (the same thing happened when you started the other thread about popularity and NCs). But I'm sure that there are some people (who understand more of this) who are hoping that you can be successful in recreating these tables (put me in this list) Wink

Btw, don't forget that you can't simply ask a 'normal' person what races would he send his rider in. First, it can't be compared to real life, since PCM has a good fitness limit of 60 days, while riders ride much more irl; second, I don't know what you've got up with your 'experiments' in these tables, but, for example, only the big races appear as specific races for specific types of leaders? So you need some knowledge to answer how could the program be.

I would like to help with the tests, but unfortunately I don't have enough time Frown But for this I think you can find volunteers easier than with the programs Wink
 
TankNL
lluuiiggii wrote:
It's a pity that the community doesn't seem to have a lot of interest on these things (the same thing happened when you started the other thread about popularity and NCs). But I'm sure that there are some people (who understand more of this) who are hoping that you can be successful in recreating these tables (put me in this list) Wink


lol lluuiiggii, the community is using it if the use PCMDaily2012v1 Smile I've given CrueTrue all the source_codes and an update for the dyn_cyclist table. So I know its not all for nothing Smile

And as stated before, I'm doing it for myself, and want to share it with you guys (and girls) here. I was just hoping for some support, but I think that it would be best if I would upload a database so hopefully you can help me with exports of race participations.

lluuiiggii wrote:
I would like to help with the tests, but unfortunately I don't have enough time Frown But for this I think you can find volunteers easier than with the programs Wink


You've done more that enough (along with Ruben) by replying in this thread, or else I would have stopped posting my progress and products. so thank you for that.
 
lluuiiggii
TankNL wrote:
lol lluuiiggii, the community is using it if the use PCMDaily2012v1 Smile I've given CrueTrue all the source_codes and an update for the dyn_cyclist table. So I know its not all for nothing Smile

I expressed myself badly: they don't seem to have lot of interest on the creation of these things. Obviously everybody is interested in the fun part Wink
 
TankNL
lluuiiggii wrote:
First, it can't be compared to real life, since PCM has a good fitness limit of 60 days, while riders ride much more irl;


this triggered me, do you know how the fitness limit of 60 days is calculated? is that just race days, or race days in a certain period?
 
lluuiiggii
TankNL wrote:
lluuiiggii wrote:
First, it can't be compared to real life, since PCM has a good fitness limit of 60 days, while riders ride much more irl;


this triggered me, do you know how the fitness limit of 60 days is calculated? is that just race days, or race days in a certain period?

Race days. After the 60th race day of the season, each 2 race days take out 1 max fitness point (from 'race fitness' ).
 
TankNL
I think I have a raw version for you guys to test.
I've updated the following;
STA_race
STA_stage
STA_program
STA_program_info
STA_type_leader_specialisation

I need some testers to sim or play though the season and see if the participation (and therefore results) in the races is correct. Can somebody help me please?

I've used the PCMDaily as the basis, so no extra files are needed, only this database;
https://dl.dropbox...TankNL.cdb

Thanks in advance.
 
TankNL
Next improvements for me are the missing races in my calender;

Spoiler

start   end   name   country   class   league
9-3-2012   9-3-2012   Dwars door Drenthe   NED   1.1   Europe Tour
10-3-2012   16-3-2012   Tour de Taiwan   TPE   2.1   Asia Tour
16-3-2012   16-3-2012   Handzame Classic   BEL   1.1   Europe Tour
17-3-2012   17-3-2012   Classic Loire Atlantique   FRA   1.1   Europe Tour
25-3-2012   25-3-2012   Tour de India III (at the city of Mumbai)   IND   1.1   Asia Tour
1-4-2012   1-4-2012   Flèche d'Emeraude - Saint Malo   FRA   1.1   Europe Tour
1-4-2012   1-4-2012   Tour de India II (at City of Delhi NCR)   IND   1.1   Asia Tour
24-4-2012   29-4-2012   La Tropicale Amissa Bongo (Tabo)   GAB   2.1   Africa Tour
29-4-2012   29-4-2012   Trophée des Grimpeurs Polymultipliée   FRA   1.1   Europe Tour
1-5-2012   1-5-2012   Subida al Naranco   ESP   1.1   Europe Tour
4-5-2012   6-5-2012   Szlakiem Grodòw Piastowskich   POL   2.1   Europe Tour
5-5-2012   6-5-2012   Vuelta a la Comunidad de Madrid   ESP   2.1   Europe Tour
13-5-2012   13-5-2012   Rogaland GP   NOR   1.1   Europe Tour
19-5-2012   19-5-2012   Jurmala GP   LAT   1.1   Europe Tour
20-5-2012   20-5-2012   Sparkassen "neuseenclassics-rund um die braunkohle"   GER   1.1   Europe Tour
25-5-2012   25-5-2012   Tallinn-Tartu Grand Prix   EST   1.1   Europe Tour
2-6-2012   2-6-2012   TD Bank International Cycling Championship   USA   1.HC   America Tour
4-7-2012   8-7-2012   Course Cycliste de Solidarnosc et des Champions Olympiques   POL   2.1   Europe Tour
15-7-2012   15-7-2012   Mooi Friesland   NED   1.1   Europe Tour
18-7-2012   22-7-2012   Sachsen-Tour International   GER   2.1   Europe Tour
3-8-2012   5-8-2012   Tour of Elk Grove   USA   2.1   America Tour
7-8-2012   12-8-2012   Tour of Utah   USA   2.1   America Tour
19-8-2012   19-8-2012   Châteauroux Classic de l'Indre Trophée Fenioux   FRA   1.1   Europe Tour
21-8-2012   24-8-2012   Tour du Poitou Charentes, Charente, Charente Maritime, deux sèvres, Vienne   FRA   2.1   Europe Tour
23-8-2012   23-8-2012   GP Industria Commercio Artigianato Carnaghese   ITA   1.1   Europe Tour
31-8-2012   1-9-2012   World Ports Classic   NED   2.1   Europe Tour
3-9-2012   6-9-2012   Giro di Padania   ITA   2.1   Europe Tour
7-9-2012   17-9-2012   Tour of China   CHN   2.1   Asia Tour
14-9-2012   14-9-2012   Kampioenschap van Vlaanderen   BEL   1.1   Europe Tour
15-9-2012   15-9-2012   GP Impanis - Van Petegem   BEL   1.1   Europe Tour
22-9-2012   22-9-2012   Franco Ballerini Day   ITA   1.1   Europe Tour
30-9-2012   30-9-2012   Duo Normand   FRA   1.1   Europe Tour
9-10-2012   9-10-2012   Nationale Sluitingprijs - Putte - Kapellen   BEL   1.1   Europe Tour


And updating the fitness profiles and the usage of them in STA_type_leader_specialisation
Edited by TankNL on 07-03-2012 23:37
 
TankNL
I found a little error (forgot the force pro tour for E3 prijs)
corrected that now in the liked file above.
Edited by TankNL on 07-03-2012 20:05
 
TankNL
Found another 1 in Settimana Ciclistica Lombarda (Stage 4 was in the next month. fixed that.
 
TankNL
argh.... another big flaw... the Vuelta had a bug in stage 12 en 13.. also corrected... hope its good now.

Could use some feedback and test results..
my TdF result (from simmed carreer)
Spoiler

Rank   Name   Team   Time   Player
1   Alberto Contador   Team Saxo Bank   85h20'00   
2   Andy Schleck   RadioShack - Nissan   + 5'10   
3   Vincenzo Nibali   Liquigas - Cannondale   + 7'56   
4   Robert Gesink   Rabobank Cycling Team   + 10'33   
5   Cadel Evans   BMC Racing Team   + 11'29   
6   Fränk Schleck   RadioShack - Nissan   + 15'37   
7   Samuel Sánchez   Euskaltel - Euskadi   + 16'43   
8   Bradley Wiggins   Sky Procycling   + 18'08   
9   Levi Leipheimer   Omega Pharma - Quick·Step Cycling Team   + 19'34   TankNL
10   Denis Menchov   Katusha Team   + 21'24   
11   Steven Kruijswijk   Rabobank Cycling Team   + 21'54   
12   Bauke Mollema   Rabobank Cycling Team   + 23'11   
13   Michele Scarponi   Lampre - ISD   + 23'38   
14   Roman Kreuziger   Astana Pro Team   + 29'33   
15   Jurgen Van den Broeck   Lotto Belisol Team   + 30'23   
16   Alexandre Vinokourov   Astana Pro Team   + 30'26   
17   Christian Vande Velde   Garmin - Barracuda   + 33'45   
18   Philippe Gilbert   BMC Racing Team   + 34'31   
19   Luis León Sánchez   Rabobank Cycling Team   + 37'39   
20   John Gadret   AG2R La Mondiale   + 39'06   
21   Jean-Christophe Peraud   AG2R La Mondiale   + 42'15   
22   Michael Rogers   Sky Procycling   + 42'56   
23   Alejandro Valverde   Movistar Team   + 43'52   
24   Christophe Kern   Team Europcar   + 45'17   
25   Richie Porte   Sky Procycling   + 47'07   
26   Jakob Fuglsang   RadioShack - Nissan   + 51'28   
27   Rigoberto Urán   Sky Procycling   + 52'22   
28   Pierre Rolland   Team Europcar   + 52'36   
29   Ryder Hesjedal   Garmin - Barracuda   + 53'30   
30   Linus Gerdemann   RadioShack - Nissan   + 55'29   
31   Thomas Voeckler   Team Europcar   + 55'51   
32   Chris Froome   Sky Procycling   + 57'21   
33   David Moncoutié   Cofidis, le crédit en ligne   + 58'37   
34   Kevin De Weert   Omega Pharma - Quick·Step Cycling Team   + 58'56   TankNL
35   Jérôme Coppel   Saur - Sojasun   + 59'47   
36   Tony Martin   Omega Pharma - Quick·Step Cycling Team   + 59'55   TankNL
37   Tom Danielson   Garmin - Barracuda   + 1h01'18   
38   Edvald Boasson Hagen   Sky Procycling   + 1h04'55   
39   Fabian Cancellara   RadioShack - Nissan   + 1h05'47   
40   Pierrick Fédrigo   FDJ - BigMat   + 1h06'58   
41   David Arroyo   Movistar Team   + 1h07'42   
42   Nicolas Vogondy   Cofidis, le crédit en ligne   + 1h07'49   
43   Vladimir Karpets   Movistar Team   + 1h12'46   
44   Maxime Monfort   RadioShack - Nissan   + 1h13'07   
45   Brice Feillu   Saur - Sojasun   + 1h15'38   
46   Thor Hushovd   BMC Racing Team   + 1h15'49   
47   Peter Sagan   Liquigas - Cannondale   + 1h15'52   
48   José Joaquín Rojas   Movistar Team   + 1h17'48   
49   Leonardo Duque   Cofidis, le crédit en ligne   + 1h20'05   
50   Sandy Casar   FDJ - BigMat   + 1h20'10   
51   Mikel Nieve   Euskaltel - Euskadi   + 1h25'03   
52   Maxim Iglinskiy   Astana Pro Team   + 1h26'43   
53   Sylvain Chavanel   Omega Pharma - Quick·Step Cycling Team   + 1h29'18   TankNL
54   Christophe Riblon   AG2R La Mondiale   + 1h30'30   
55   Michael Albasini   GreenEdge Cycling Team   + 1h30'39   
56   Diego Ulissi   Lampre - ISD   + 1h32'31   
57   Marzio Bruseghin   Movistar Team   + 1h33'22   
58   Thomas Dekker   Garmin - Barracuda   + 1h33'32   
59   Pablo Lastras   Movistar Team   + 1h35'22   
60   Jonathan Hivert   Saur - Sojasun   + 1h36'01   
61   Thomas De Gendt   Vacansoleil - DCM Pro Cycling Team   + 1h36'14   
62   Cyril Gautier   Team Europcar   + 1h40'28   
63   Romain Sicard   Euskaltel - Euskadi   + 1h44'48   
64   Carlos Barredo   Rabobank Cycling Team   + 1h46'53   
65   Ángel Vicioso   Katusha Team   + 1h47'44   
66   Dimitriy Muravyev   Astana Pro Team   s.t.   
67   Vladimir Gusev   Katusha Team   + 1h49'17   
68   Alessandro Ballan   BMC Racing Team   + 1h49'44   
69   Dario Cataldo   Omega Pharma - Quick·Step Cycling Team   + 1h50'17   TankNL
70   Stuart O'Grady   GreenEdge Cycling Team   + 1h50'42   
71   Damien Monier   Cofidis, le crédit en ligne   + 1h51'15   
72   Sergey Lagutin   Vacansoleil - DCM Pro Cycling Team   + 1h51'58   
73   Johan Vansummeren   Garmin - Barracuda   + 1h53'45   
74   Benoît Vaugrenard   FDJ - BigMat   + 1h57'16   
75   Anthony Charteau   Team Europcar   + 1h59'31   
76   Egoi Martínez   Euskaltel - Euskadi   + 2h01'16   
77   Morris Possoni   Lampre - ISD   + 2h01'43   
78   Jelle Vanendert   Lotto Belisol Team   + 2h03'07   
79   Vladimir Miholjevic   Acqua & Sapone   + 2h03'36   
80   Heinrich Haussler   Garmin - Barracuda   + 2h14'47   
81   Samuel Dumoulin   Cofidis, le crédit en ligne   + 2h15'06   
82   Rafal Majka   Team Saxo Bank   + 2h16'05   
83   Stefan Denifl   Vacansoleil - DCM Pro Cycling Team   + 2h16'09   
84   Mikhail Ignatiev   Katusha Team   + 2h16'58   
85   Rémy Di Gregorio   Cofidis, le crédit en ligne   + 2h17'45   
86   Frederik Willems   Lotto Belisol Team   + 2h18'10   
87   Valerio Agnoli   Liquigas - Cannondale   + 2h19'14   
88   Anders Lund   Team Saxo Bank   + 2h21'24   
89   Björn Leukemans   Vacansoleil - DCM Pro Cycling Team   + 2h24'47   
90   Matti Breschel   Rabobank Cycling Team   + 2h27'09   
91   Juan Antonio Flecha   Sky Procycling   + 2h27'24   
92   Lars Ytting Bak   Lotto Belisol Team   + 2h28'21   
93   Romain Feillu   Vacansoleil - DCM Pro Cycling Team   + 2h28'30   
94   George Hincapie   BMC Racing Team   + 2h29'14   
95   Javier Moreno   Movistar Team   + 2h30'39   
96   Mikel Landa   Euskaltel - Euskadi   + 2h36'04   
97   Dmitriy Fofonov   Astana Pro Team   + 2h36'56   
98   Davide Malacarne   Team Europcar   + 2h36'57   
99   Fabrice Jeandesboz   Saur - Sojasun   + 2h42'43   
100   Gorka Izagirre   Euskaltel - Euskadi   + 2h47'38   
101   Tom Boonen   Omega Pharma - Quick·Step Cycling Team   + 2h49'35   TankNL
102   Juan José Oroz   Euskaltel - Euskadi   + 2h50'17   
103   Manuele Mori   Lampre - ISD   + 2h54'40   
104   Nick Nuyens   Team Saxo Bank   + 2h56'22   
105   Rubén Pérez   Euskaltel - Euskadi   + 2h56'31   
106   Alessandro Petacchi   Lampre - ISD   + 2h58'19   
107   Manuel Quinziato   BMC Racing Team   + 3h02'54   
108   Mikaël Chérel   AG2R La Mondiale   + 3h03'09   
109   Ángel Madrazo   Movistar Team   + 3h05'00   
110   Mads Christensen   Team Saxo Bank   + 3h07'26   
111   Iván Velasco   Euskaltel - Euskadi   + 3h07'39   
112   Paolo Tiralongo   Astana Pro Team   + 3h08'07   
113   Lars Boom   Rabobank Cycling Team   + 3h12'02   
114   Andrea Masciarelli   Acqua & Sapone   + 3h14'20   
115   Anthony Roux   FDJ - BigMat   + 3h17'09   
116   Cyril Lemoine   Saur - Sojasun   + 3h28'01   
117   Matthew Lloyd   Lampre - ISD   + 3h31'31   
118   David Millar   Garmin - Barracuda   + 3h35'57   
119   Michael Schär   BMC Racing Team   + 3h37'44   
120   Mark Cavendish   Sky Procycling   + 3h38'02   
121   Aleksejs Saramotins   Cofidis, le crédit en ligne   + 3h40'03   
122   Óscar Freire   Katusha Team   + 3h41'41   
123   Pavel Brutt   Katusha Team   + 3h45'57   
124   Daryl Impey   GreenEdge Cycling Team   + 3h48'38   
125   Koldo Fernández   Garmin - Barracuda   + 3h50'09   
126   Allan Davis   GreenEdge Cycling Team   + 3h50'59   
127   Mitchell Docker   GreenEdge Cycling Team   + 3h54'38   
128   Martin Elmiger   AG2R La Mondiale   + 3h58'01   
129   Niki Terpstra   Omega Pharma - Quick·Step Cycling Team   + 3h58'31   TankNL
130   Danilo Hondo   Lampre - ISD   + 4h01'34   
131   William Bonnet   FDJ - BigMat   + 4h01'56   
132   Alessandro Proni   Acqua & Sapone   + 4h02'22   
133   Gerald Ciolek   Omega Pharma - Quick·Step Cycling Team   + 4h02'40   TankNL
134   Imanol Erviti   Movistar Team   + 4h07'17   
135   Jürgen Van de Walle   Lotto Belisol Team   + 4h10'21   
136   Francesco Gavazzi   Astana Pro Team   + 4h10'53   
137   Fabio Taborre   Acqua & Sapone   + 4h11'33   
138   Egoitz García   Cofidis, le crédit en ligne   + 4h13'23   
139   Assan Bazayev   Astana Pro Team   + 4h14'58   
140   Marco Marcato   Vacansoleil - DCM Pro Cycling Team   + 4h15'10   
141   Michael Mørkøv   Team Saxo Bank   + 4h16'22   
142   Pim Ligthart   Vacansoleil - DCM Pro Cycling Team   + 4h18'06   
143   Greg Van Avermaet   BMC Racing Team   + 4h18'19   
144   Karsten Kroon   Team Saxo Bank   + 4h19'27   
145   Maarten Tjallingii   Rabobank Cycling Team   + 4h19'37   
146   Sebastian Langeveld   GreenEdge Cycling Team   + 4h22'35   
147   Tosh Van der Sande   Lotto Belisol Team   + 4h24'22   
148   Manuel Belletti   AG2R La Mondiale   + 4h25'56   
149   Martin Velits   Omega Pharma - Quick·Step Cycling Team   + 4h26'12   TankNL
150   Sébastien Turgot   Team Europcar   + 4h29'40   
151   Yukiya Arashiro   Team Europcar   + 4h29'48   
152   Ruggero Marzoli   Acqua & Sapone   + 4h31'05   
153   Frédéric Guesdon   FDJ - BigMat   + 4h31'06   
154   Tomas Vaitkus   GreenEdge Cycling Team   + 4h33'14   
155   Troels Ronning Vinther   Team Saxo Bank   + 4h33'49   
156   Cyril Bessy   Saur - Sojasun   + 4h34'26   
157   Brett Lancaster   GreenEdge Cycling Team   + 4h37'31   
158   Alexander Kvachuk   Lampre - ISD   + 4h37'53   
159   Yohan Offredo   FDJ - BigMat   + 4h39'49   
160   Fabio Sabatini   Liquigas - Cannondale   + 4h42'56   
161   Cameron Meyer   GreenEdge Cycling Team   + 4h46'55   
162   Moreno Moser   Liquigas - Cannondale   + 4h47'23   
163   Juan José Haedo   Team Saxo Bank   + 4h47'27   
164   Vladimir Isaychev   Katusha Team   + 4h48'26   
165   Mahdi Sohrabi   Lotto Belisol Team   + 4h49'17   
166   Wouter Mol   Vacansoleil - DCM Pro Cycling Team   + 4h49'45   
167   Jean-Marc Marino   Saur - Sojasun   + 4h50'42   
168   André Greipel   Lotto Belisol Team   + 4h50'57   
169   Arthur Vichot   FDJ - BigMat   + 4h51'26   
170   Alessandro Donati   Acqua & Sapone   + 4h52'47   
171   Valentin Iglinskiy   Astana Pro Team   + 4h54'18   
172   Paolo Longo Borghini   Liquigas - Cannondale   + 4h54'19   
173   Adrien Petit   Cofidis, le crédit en ligne   + 4h54'40   
174   Taylor Phinney   BMC Racing Team   + 4h54'43   
175   Jimmy Engoulvent   Saur - Sojasun   + 4h54'44   
176   Sébastien Chavanel   Team Europcar   + 4h55'38   
177   Juraj Sagan   Liquigas - Cannondale   + 4h55'44   
178   Daniele Bennati   RadioShack - Nissan   + 4h56'39   
179   Jimmy Casper   AG2R La Mondiale   + 4h57'14   
180   Rüdiger Selig   Katusha Team   + 4h59'04   
181   Graeme Brown   Rabobank Cycling Team   + 5h02'13   
182   Massimo Graziato   Lampre - ISD   + 5h02'33   
183   Kris Boeckmans   Vacansoleil - DCM Pro Cycling Team   + 5h03'36   
184   Jens Debusschere   Lotto Belisol Team   + 5h07'15   
185   Paolo Ciavatta   Acqua & Sapone   + 5h08'06   
186   Claudio Corioni   Acqua & Sapone   + 5h08'07   
187   Edward King   Liquigas - Cannondale   + 5h08'55   
188   Francesco Di Paolo   Acqua & Sapone   + 5h15'35   
189   Francis Mourey   FDJ - BigMat   + 5h18'32   
190   Rony Martias   Saur - Sojasun   + 5h19'41


TdF started on 30-6 and now also has a good participation and even therefore a realistic top10 :)
Edited by TankNL on 07-03-2012 23:21
 
fenian_1234
Only just saw this thread now - good looking work so far.

Only really posting to offer you some encouragement. Go Tank Go! Pfft
 
CrueTrue
It's more interesting to see the results from races such as Giro and Vuelta - and also minor races such as Het Nieuwsblad.

It's difficult to mess up TdF's participation Pfft
 
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