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| jt1109 |
Posted on 12-01-2025 14:56
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Hello and welcome to England and the County of Cheshire for a Gravel and Cobbled classic in the interestingly named PTHC Cheshire Cycling Tour despite covering about 1% of this glorious County.
Held as 5-day stage race from 2018 to 2021
2023: Jan Polanc (Evonik - ELKO)
2022: Edward Theuns (MOL Cycling Team)
2021: Przemyslaw Kasperkiewicz (King Power)
2020: Przemyslaw Kasperkiewicz (King Power)
2019: Danny Summerhill (Andorra Cycling Project)
2018: Jérome Baugnies (Kulczyk - DMTEX)
| Rider | FL | HI | CO | ST | SP | AC |  Per | 79 | 70 | 82 | 74 | 74 | 74 |  Van Hooydonck | 73 | 71 | 82 | 75 | 61 | 72 |  Altur | 75 | 70 | 82 | 75 | 72 | 68 |  Gerts | 77 | 78 | 82 | 76 | 72 | 70 |  Teunissen | 76 | 67 | 81 | 77 | 67 | 69 |  Kasperkiewicz | 76 | 74 | 81 | 75 | 59 | 67 |  Anderberg | 78 | 69 | 80 | 77 | 60 | 73 |  Daniel | 72 | 68 | 79 | 75 | 75 | 71 |  Ferreira | 73 | 68 | 79 | 74 | 71 | 69 |  Siric | 78 | 71 | 78 | 77 | 77 | 71 |  Neilands | 77 | 69 | 78 | 74 | 71 | 67 | | Polanc | 72 | 73 | 78 | 78 | 67 | 75 |  Debesay | 74 | 73 | 78 | 73 | 68 | 76 |  Zubov | 67 | 62 | 78 | 68 | 60 | 67 |
A full startlist here we have everything from top PT cobblers Gerts and Per both currently top 10 riders in the PT individual rankings after the cobbled season in mainland Europe. While the two top PCT cobblers in Daniel and Kasperkiewicz are also making the startlist in what look s a formidable race.
Regarding the course I would call this more a light version of Strade Bianche then a Ronde as well the early section include cobbles and the final circuits finishing climb is on a cobbled hill these are the english cobbles more famous from Lincoln GP and therefore not the brutal Flemish kind, as well as that we have several long gravel stretches on the course (all long sections in the race profile are gravel) and many brutally steep hills akin to a Tour De Yorkshire or Yorkshire Grand tour depart from Real Life with us just being about 50km away from where most of the tough stage 2 IRL happened.
To me that favour one man in particular Gerts would be my absolute favourite for this one with his great balanced profile ideal for such a race. two time previous winner Kasperkiewicz, Polanc and Debesay should also be at an advantage while the one dimensional cobblers like Zubov could be in for a rough ride early on in what looks a brutally hard middle section.
Maybe someone else can surprise, if so, you can try to guess who, while looking at the full startlist below. Good luck, everybody!
Spoiler
 Anderberg
Bolor-Erdene
Kamp
Klaris
Laporte
Potts
Räim
Swift
Aquilani
Bdadou
Bonello
Jele
Martino
Olei
Sprenger
Vliegen
Bolivar
Cannister
Finkst
Matsangos
Meiler
Per
Resell
Van Tricht
Duric
Fedorov
Katrasnik
Poljanec
Redy
Salby
Selimovic
Siric
Becis
Budenieks
Dakteris
Kochetkov
Raugala
Tarvis
Tediashvili
Vahtra
Askey
Costiou
Daniel
Dunne
Juntunen
Lapeira
Louvel
Mestric
Ansons
Eekhoff
Kurianov
Neilands
Polanc
Silva
Van Niekerk
De Kleijn
Havik
Hoole
Robeet
Tjotta
Van der Hoorn
Van Hooydonck
Waerenskjold
Balmer
Giulietti
Godon
Hofer
Karnulin
Lander
Malecki
Teunissen
Cahyadi
Doull
Firdaus
Kusuma
Pszczolarski
Rubenis
Van Vliet
Bayer
Debesay
Degenkolb
Kabas
Laurance
Lienhard
De Buyst
Helme
Ho
McLay
Tesfom
Teutenberg
Uhlig
Zubov
Berckmoes
Chatarunga
Fagundez
Marzuki
Price-Pejtersen
Van Aert
Vanbilsen
Zana
Arias Villanueva
Cadena
Chumil
Mendoza
Murillo
Peden
Rojas
Ruiz
Barbier
Milesi
Mohammad
Mostov
Simmons
Wolf
Altur
Ariesen
Cole
Gonzalez
Kelly
Moricz
Scotson
Stash
Atkins
Boros
Frankovic
Nommela
Skala
Stocek
Toupalik
Vacek
Barthe
Brockhoff
Ferreira
Garcia Cortina
Lauk
Nych
Oldani
Sweeny
Frigo
Gerts
Kalf
Meeus
Vader
Van den Berg
Van Den Berg
Van den Broek
Ghani
Menicucci
Putti
Rossi
Schoonbroodt
Skivild
Tiberi
Van Sintmaartensdijk
Alben
Benoot
Cataford
Hocevar
Kooistra
Van Dijke
Van Dijke
Yechezkel
Kasperkiewicz
Kumara
La Grenade
Malacarne
Milan
Naud
Riesebeek
Van Keirsbulck
Belevics
Breen
Eriksson
Kaczmarek
Kaislavuo
Kulppi
Manakov
Nielsen
Bilyi
Fratczak
Golovash
Kachur
Manamalage
Petrov
Ponomar
Sitchinava
Edited by jt1109 on 12-01-2025 16:34
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| kandesbunzler26 |
Posted on 12-01-2025 15:29
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Thanks for the preview, jt!
I was actually a bit surprised that Daniel features so high in the list of favourites, but we'll happily take this opportunity for a top 10 (or maybe even more) in a PTHC classic. And if we only nearly get our usual cobbles depth it could be another really good race.
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| tastasol |
Posted on 12-01-2025 15:54
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Cobbles in PT and we're not here ???? Didn't really fit unfortunately this season. Expecting a good fight for the win!
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 12-01-2025 17:16
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Per as the big favorite here, but Gerts should have a big shot at the win here!
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| ember |
Posted on 12-01-2025 18:17
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Seeing all the difficult hills, you could argue Gerts is the slight favourite, ahead of Per. At least difficult to see past any of those two. Seeing the startlist, I'm definitely hoping for a top 5 from Anderberg here, as his backup stats will hopefully give him an advantage, or at least cancelling out his disadvantage purely looking at hill stats.
Looking forward to the race, and your report, jt! |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 13-01-2025 05:23
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Didn't realize we'd have no Wisniowski or Pedersen to deal with here Big opportunity for us obviously, although Gerts should be the favorite. At least want a podium though!
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| AbhishekLFC |
Posted on 14-01-2025 12:10
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Benoot has done well here previously and we're hoping for a repeat, despite him not being on the favourites' list. Support is decent, so we're hoping it helps.
Thanks for the review jt 
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| whitejersey |
Posted on 14-01-2025 12:19
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Pretty workable startlist, just praying that Kaspa does his thing here with no issues!
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| redordead |
Posted on 14-01-2025 12:26
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I wouldn't be surprised if Polanc wins in back-to-back years here. I think a top 10 finish is a realistic goal for Siric, maybe we can compete for a top 5 if he deals well with the hills.
I'm gonna miss the cobbles after this. Thanks for the preview
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| ember |
Posted on 14-01-2025 16:26
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Thank you for the report and your thoughts, jt! Anderberg with a rather anonymous performance, which felt kind of unusual for him. Just inside the top 10 with 9th is fine, eventhough we hoped for slightly more. Congratulations on a dominant win, bbl! Carlsberg running away with all the points these days! 
Seeing the start of the race, I thought crashes were turned off for MG races? Also seeing the massive gaps, I am kind of wondering if there was any daily form limit in place? Do you know/remember, jt?
Also, I can only second what redordead wrote before the race… Going to miss the cobbles!  |
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| jt1109 |
Posted on 14-01-2025 16:35
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ember wrote:
Thank you for the report and your thoughts, jt! Anderberg with a rather anonymous performance, which felt kind of unusual for him. Just inside the top 10 with 9th is fine, eventhough we hoped for slightly more. Congratulations on a dominant win, bbl! Carlsberg running away with all the points these days!
Seeing the start of the race, I thought crashes were turned off for MG races? Also seeing the massive gaps, I am kind of wondering if there was any daily form limit in place? Do you know/remember, jt?
Also, I can only second what redordead wrote before the race… Going to miss the cobbles!
Ahh apologies all this one is a mistake on my part I've not turned the frequency of falls down to 0% though daily form was inactive.
The race will be replayed in the morning and I'll have the new report up tomorrow for you all apologies in advance anyone who did see the report and thanks for noticing early ember ! |
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| ember |
Posted on 14-01-2025 16:46
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No, no, not so fast! Think it is best to ask MG admins if a rerun is needed, as it is only you who can say if, and potentially how, it impacted the race.
For the daily form, I think it should be +/- 2, but that will also need to be checked/asked to MG admins, as that is only a very vague memory from whenever daily form impact were discussed/adjusted, which is several seasons ago, I think |
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| Fabianski |
Posted on 14-01-2025 20:26
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ember wrote:
No, no, not so fast! Think it is best to ask MG admins if a rerun is needed, as it is only you who can say if, and potentially how, it impacted the race.
For the daily form, I think it should be +/- 2, but that will also need to be checked/asked to MG admins, as that is only a very vague memory from whenever daily form impact were discussed/adjusted, which is several seasons ago, I think
Not having seen the report, I second what ember says. If the crashes didn't have any significant impact on the race, no need to re-run unless someone explicitly asks for it. In which case I think it'd have to be done indeed, as the settings weren't correct.
Daily form (aka race day condition) should indeed be Level 2 (i.e. +/- 2), random form should indeed be deactivated. RDC level was only adjusted for the 2023 season, though, as this feature didn't exist in previous versions 
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 15-01-2025 06:07
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What a crazy week to be crazy busy at work, miss a couple of days, and learn of a mystery report that we supposedly dominated.
On the crashed, obviously any impact scoring, but you can kind of tell if any actually mattered (or led to abandonment). Daily Form +2/-2 is the standard though and you can't really know what would have happened. I guess it's better it was at 0 than +5/-5 or something, but still takes something out of the game.
If others want, I'm okay with a re-run even though I can only do worse. That's the luck of the game, after all. There was one year I reported Roubaix and the game crashed in the sprint slow-mo in the velodrome. Had to replay. Things happe. (Bewley won both time thought )
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| jt1109 |
Posted on 15-01-2025 11:49
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Final apology sorry again should not be having to rerun and apologies to anyone with a worse result than 1st run
The climb causes so much havoc everytime up. I am wondering if there's some MO stat at play as Daniel just can't get over it and Baukensis et al all overperformed again
Polanc is about as unlucky as you can be certain to win without the puncture but this race just can't stop throwing up drama
Cobbled riders don't seem to attack very often in this stage must be a lot of red bar used throughout the hills and not much left on the cobbles hence the few attacks
Gerts looks so strong in the sprint if you bring him to the bottom of that climb he would win everytime |
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| whitejersey |
Posted on 15-01-2025 12:01
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Heart break and a half there for knockout 
Great recovery from our guys though after Kaspa didn't make the first split, Riesebeek and GVK secure good depth scoring as well, we can be satisfied with our race.
Congrats to Alex on the win!
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| Laurens147 |
Posted on 15-01-2025 12:51
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Only a minor loss of points, so no complaints from our side.
Congrats alex and thanks jt for reporting!
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| redordead |
Posted on 15-01-2025 12:57
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Not gonna lie I was much happier with the 1st run
Although 8th is still a pretty realistic result for Siric and mostly in line with his other results this season. Poljanec at least partially recoups some lost points from the 1st run with a good depth result.
I thought my Polanc prediction was gonna come true this time, but that was a nasty puncture 
Gerts is a deserved winner though. Congrats and thanks for the report
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| ember |
Posted on 15-01-2025 18:14
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When making the decision to do it again, thank you a lot for doing it this quickly, jt!
A very good result for us with a podium for Anderberg, though, what a bad luck for Polanc and knockout. As jt writes in the report, that was a sure win out the window. Feel bad for knockout, hoping Evonik can start to bring in the big points soon, maybe already in Fleche with MAL. Commiserations, knockout!
Seeing the top 2 and adding Polanc as the third rider who should have been on top, it is a testament to their qualities on such a course. Gerts winning the sprint convincingly ahead of Per, proving that they were strongest together with Polanc. Congratulations, alexkr00! |
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| DubbelDekker |
Posted on 15-01-2025 18:31
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5th and 15th is a good result! Our cobbled season hasn't been great so far, so this is very welcome.
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