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| df_Trek |
Posted on 21-07-2023 19:25
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10 minutes is a huge gap, but the route is one of the hardest I ever seen, often you see just couple of hilly stages in first 10 days, and it's normal you have gaps within few minutes at halfway point. Also many top riders were absent and likely they were podium contenders (Thomas, Tao, Mas, Evenepoel plus riders that are teammates of the two like Roglic and Ayuso) Adam Yates racing for himself could probably be with a gap of 6/7' no more.
about the superTT....that's nuclear stuff, but with a climb also here you can expect wider gaps, and we have no to forget that best climbing time is from Ciccone
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| Shonak |
Posted on 21-07-2023 19:42
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quadsas wrote:
Shonak wrote:
I enjoy the performances, both may be doped but no one beats the Sky era.
Cunego has a great point too. There were major upgrades in nutrition, training methods, equipment, and team planning. People who doubt that never raced a single event. It's called progress.
I guess only two riders in the entire peloton decided to improve their diets, training methods, equipments etc. right? Like only two people, everyone else is just not interested in that. Holy I just cant with you people, please try critical thinking for once
Maybe you shoud try contextual reading and understand what people are referring to before you act all doping crusader lol Cunego was bringing up the point in response to the Pantani / Armstrong comparisons, and I agreed with that. This is obviously something that applies to the entire pro (& amateur) scene - it is very apparent over the last 20-30 years but people seem to willfully ignore it when they make comparisons from the past to the present.
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 21-07-2023 21:35
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Mohoric post race interview and on the winner podium is pure raw emotion, refreshing to see/hear
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| cunego59 |
Posted on 21-07-2023 21:47
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I'll again ask for a kinder tone of discussion, if the discussion is supposed to continue here. I'm confident everyone is able to post without more or less subtle personal digs,.
On the topic of the race, Matej Mohoric's winner's interview has been making the rounds, quite an emotional one on what cycling takes out of you and what these moments mean. If you like that kind of thing and you haven't watched it yet, you should definetely do so. (Ah, I see Luigi was a bit quicker. Well, have the link here, then  )
Hoping tomorrow will be one more good stage with the fight for the KoM and, also hopefully from the breakaway, the stage win. Maybe Zimmermann can pull it off, he'd deserve it with the way he's been riding, I think.
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| Arberg |
Posted on 22-07-2023 12:44
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Think Vingegaard will win today, because he is the world's best  |
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| Thor Hushovd |
Posted on 22-07-2023 15:31
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Really hope Pinot hangs on for the win, but I fear he may have spent too much to be first over the penultimate climb. |
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 22-07-2023 15:41
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Really weird how he will retire without ever winning a GT. At some point, you run out of “next year”.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| iNSUPERABLE |
Posted on 22-07-2023 16:18
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Pinot will be sorely missed.. Allez ! |
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Posted on 23-11-2024 13:29
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| df_Trek |
Posted on 22-07-2023 16:22
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I almost cried today
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 22-07-2023 18:02
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Watching Pinot riding through that crowd was phenomenal!!! That'll be the defining image of this Tour for me.
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| Thor Hushovd |
Posted on 22-07-2023 18:29
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Definitely feels like the end of an era. One of my all time favourites, I still wonder sometimes what could've been if he hadn't hurt his knee in 2019. |
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| Shonak |
Posted on 22-07-2023 22:36
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meh giccone as kom winner is rather underwhelming tbh
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| df_Trek |
Posted on 22-07-2023 23:30
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mmh...he was the only one who really cared about it, over Powless. Based on the number of 1st and 2nd category climb won by Ciccone and the effort from his teammates like Skjelmose and Pedersen, it's well deserved.
We are still talking about a pure climber and finally not a GC man who wins kom without honoring the sense of polka dot jersey.
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| Flair |
Posted on 23-07-2023 00:30
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df_Trek wrote:
mmh...he was the only one who really cared about it, over Powless. Based on the number of 1st and 2nd category climb won by Ciccone and the effort from his teammates like Skjelmose and Pedersen, it's well deserved.
We are still talking about a pure climber and finally not a GC man who wins kom without honoring the sense of polka dot jersey.
Agreed. Its much better to see it go to someone who dedicated himself and a team that really went for it win then... Oh here you go Mr tour winner have another Jersey.
Also, on the talk of jerseys. I kind of would like to see the Young Rider jersey changed so you can only win it once. Getting a bit boring having Poggie win it every year (and I think he still wins it next year... maybe the year after too?) |
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| Imladrik |
Posted on 23-07-2023 10:15
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I agree with Flair and Trek for Ciccone. Also his joy, and the congratulations of the members of the break were very nice to see.
For the white jersey, no it's over for Pogacar : he'll be 25 in September. Though Evenepeol might be the next to take hold of it. Maybe Rodriguez or Vauquelin can be a challenge for him in the mountains.
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 23-07-2023 10:38
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It’s just crazy he wins white again. Surely that’s one of those records that won’t ever be beaten?
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 23-07-2023 10:55
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Vingegaard confirmed for la Vuelta by the way, 3 GTs in the same season is something even Team Sky could not achieve.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Blasing |
Posted on 23-07-2023 12:14
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Ollfardh wrote:
Vingegaard confirmed for la Vuelta by the way, 3 GTs in the same season is something even Team Sky could not achieve.
Will be interesting to see how his form is. Roglic will surely also go for GC in Vuelta. |
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| Tamijo |
Posted on 23-07-2023 13:19
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quadsas wrote:
Tamijo wrote:
df_Trek wrote:
Kalach wrote:
Still not sure why Vingegard is claiming that 3week suits him better.
firefighting maybe? he has to explain why he is losing every 1vs1 (except Marie Blanque)
It is a new tour completely, so whatever he says he have to prove it first.
But you can't deny the fact that last year he lost every battle to Pog until they hit the higher mountains on stage 11 to Col du Granon. So he can make a case that he was better later in the tour and in the +2000 meter stages. This time he was lucky with Pog's early off day.
If that will be the case again remains to be seen, in many ways Poga seems even stronger this year.
I hope for Janus being a Dane and all that, but Poga is a brilliant rider, no doubt the best rider overall. Lets just hope for a great close race without crash or tech issues , no matter who wins they are both unique, would be a bore if any of them was not in the tour.
Last year it was entirety of Jumbo vs sole Pogačar, UAE had a bunch of donkeys as doms. No chance that will ever happen again and Pogačar is (to anyone with eyes and a brain) much better rider. Pretty sure on that one stage this year his girlfriend got into a crash and there were also reports of himself being a little banged up, and still only lost a minute. I wish people would stop propping up dudes who really arent challengers like Jonas and appreciate the top 2 rider of all time and await the inevitable GOAT confrontation between Pogi and Remco
Now i guess you will get the chance in the Vuelta, to see Remco beat the grab out of “the dudes who really aren’t a challenger”; just like pogi did.
Mainly just posting this to show that your opinions was already quite stubborn long before you shifted into “doping accusations mode”
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 23-07-2023 15:44
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Campenaerts really attacking from KM 0 in the Champs-Elysees stage 
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