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PCM.daily Stat Discussion
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 14-08-2021 20:04
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We've decided that 76 rec is ideal for now for Roglic which is a decent rec for a GT favourite anyway, it may not be one of the highest recs but it's only a few points lower than a rider like Bernal. The new stats with Roglic at 82/81 and his new backups make him a monster. We can debate whether he has a rec problem or not, I believe that he does have some issue connected to rec and it usually reveals itself in some kind of spectacular crack.
I've noticed in the last two Tours that even Pogacar has had a couple of lesser days in the mtns (mid Tour) but unlike Roglic they have never really cost him and you always know that he's super strong again in the third week. Whereas when Roglic goes bad he goes bad big time and they only way we can try and demonstrate this in-game is with his rec and sta stats.
Also a late late surprise should be released very soon 
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| andrew7taylor |
Posted on 15-08-2021 19:21
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Tafiolmo wrote:
We've decided that 76 rec is ideal for now for Roglic which is a decent rec for a GT favourite anyway, it may not be one of the highest recs but it's only a few points lower than a rider like Bernal. The new stats with Roglic at 82/81 and his new backups make him a monster. We can debate whether he has a rec problem or not, I believe that he does have some issue connected to rec and it usually reveals itself in some kind of spectacular crack.
I've noticed in the last two Tours that even Pogacar has had a couple of lesser days in the mtns (mid Tour) but unlike Roglic they have never really cost him and you always know that he's super strong again in the third week. Whereas when Roglic goes bad he goes bad big time and they only way we can try and demonstrate this in-game is with his rec and sta stats.
Also a late late surprise should be released very soon
Agreed with the rec. It doesn't really matter in the game anyway.
May I ask what do you think of as "some kind of spectacular crack"? I can't recall any. Even he he was dropped on the Angrilu, Covatilla, Loze etc. he only lost 15-30 seconds. I could hardly count that as a spectacular crack. Everybody has done that, even Pogacar.
What do you mean by his stamina? Isn't it about endurance, so the longer a race goes on the more important it is? Because if I'm not wrong and it is, he's one of the most consistently great riders when it comes to distance. Especially when you compare him to other stage riders/climbers, then he's downright elite.
https://www.procy...18/stage-3
https://www.procy...19/stage-4
https://www.procy...019/result
https://www.procy...020/result
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 15-08-2021 22:58
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I meant spectacular in that it catches the eye rather than him losing a whole load of time. I had originally put him at 74 rec but thought that this was way too risky without proper testing and therefore put him to 76. As for the sta stat, that's another tricky one because he does do well at longer races but was concerned again without up to date testing how he would do with a higher stat in the classics, would he be too dominant with his increased back-ups etc, so I left his sta a bit lower and also decreased Pogacar too who may have been a bit too high. At the moment both Pogacar and Roglic are having their stats juggled about to try and get them the most accurate that we can but Roglic is clearly tougher to do than Pogacar.
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 28-08-2021 17:14
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Interested in hearing what members feel about Haig and his climbing and what kind of climbing stats he should have?
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 28-08-2021 19:09
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He's clearly quite strong so far, but probably important to note that he's the only guy besides Yates in the top 15 who hasn't already raced a full GT this year. That gives him a freshness advantage that can be replicated in game.
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 28-08-2021 20:36
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baseballlover312 wrote:
He's clearly quite strong so far, but probably important to note that he's the only guy besides Yates in the top 15 who hasn't already raced a full GT this year. That gives him a freshness advantage that can be replicated in game.
That's a good point about his freshness and I have him at 78/77 in climbing at the moment with good res. He's also a big guy at 1.90, so interesting to see how he continues.
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| HugoPRT568 |
Posted on 01-09-2021 18:37
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Efapel's Mauricio Moreira needs an immediate upgrade. He nearly won the Volta a Portugal, even though he received a 40" penalty for anauthorised feeding and crashed in spectacular fashion in the final TT - and I'm not even talking of all the freak show with the Efapel tactics, they waited until the last mountain stage to finally recognise he was the strongest in the team. Meanwhile, one of his team mates got away with Antunes in a medium mountain stage and they gained 1' on the peloton.
TL,DR: He was clearly stronger than the rest, and even with all that happened, he finished only 10" away from the Amarela.
So my suggestion is: FLAT 70 // MO 72 // HILL 76 // TT 74 // PRO 73 // ACC 74 // DO 62 (!) // END 69
I'm not a specialist in the portuguese peloton, so take it with a grain of salt, but anyone who watched the Volta clearly saw he was the strongest.
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| King_Ric |
Posted on 01-09-2021 19:51
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HugoPRT568 wrote:
Efapel's Mauricio Moreira needs an immediate upgrade. He nearly won the Volta a Portugal, even though he received a 40" penalty for anauthorised feeding and crashed in spectacular fashion in the final TT - and I'm not even talking of all the freak show with the Efapel tactics, they waited until the last mountain stage to finally recognise he was the strongest in the team. Meanwhile, one of his team mates got away with Antunes in a medium mountain stage and they gained 1' on the peloton.
TL,DR: He was clearly stronger than the rest, and even with all that happened, he finished only 10" away from the Amarela.
So my suggestion is: FLAT 70 // MO 72 // HILL 76 // TT 74 // PRO 73 // ACC 74 // DO 62 (!) // END 69
I'm not a specialist in the portuguese peloton, so take it with a grain of salt, but anyone who watched the Volta clearly saw he was the strongest.
I have him at 73 MO and 74 HILL but he could do with a 75 i think. The rest is pretty spot on with what i have. |
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 01-09-2021 20:25
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But it's Volta a Portugal, surely we can't take those reults seriously?
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 09-09-2021 19:36
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Hi guys, what do you think about Ethan Hayter?? |
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| King_Ric |
Posted on 15-09-2021 20:24
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AiZak - Hayter is riding amazingly. At this moment he is looking like a less buffed WVA.
Herregodts showed big improvements in TT and should be stated somewhere between 70 and 75.
Nys could be in the game as a free agent after all he is U23 WC.
Valgren is riding like a beast and super back up stats are already called for.
Almeida look's like he is unbeatable in hilly stage sprints even beating riders like Hirschi, Vendrame, Kwia, etc. Maybe he needs either is sprint or hills stat to be upgraded a bit.
Ollfardh - In spite of some suspicious circumstances every race needs to be evaluated by what we know about, not what we suspect of, and what we know about the likes of Mauricio Moreira is that he is outputing amanzing numbers bearing WT level.
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| cio93 |
Posted on 15-09-2021 20:33
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Thibau Nys rides for Baloise - Trek Lions, which is in the DB already (at least in the PCM2020 one).
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| King_Ric |
Posted on 15-09-2021 20:40
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cio93 - Sorry didn't notice that. He really should be way better all around. |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 16-09-2021 18:48
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Yes we will look at the Volta Portugal stats and take the comments into consideration.
As for Hayter he has been improved and we are statting him as another potential WVA Also Almeida has been improved a bit in sprint and acc and after gradually decreasing Valgren bit by bit over the last year or so, we have now started to boost him up again.
But what I'd really like is opinions of what type of climbing stats Colbrelli should have?
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| King_Ric |
Posted on 16-09-2021 22:32
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Tafiolmo - In my previous comment I meant Cort Nielsen instead of Valgren but this one also deserves some smaller improvements. Colbrelli looks like Cort in the way that both can win in a lot of scenarios and deserve super back-up stats. I wouldn't give Colbrelli more than 74 MO but his Hill should be subject discussion. 79 seems plausible to me but a 78 is also acceptable. |
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 16-09-2021 22:48
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I was (half) joking with Portugal. But yeah, surely you guys aren't looking at post-Tour criteriums? 
Hayter looking really well, though it probably was the biggest race of the season for him. But he's doing both ITT and RR at the worlds, will definitely keep an eye out for him.
Thibau Nys has a contract indeed (reminding me I haven't posted cyclocross stats in a while ). Not sure who I'd compare him to though, probably Sagan (from 5 years ago). He has a very strong sprint and it's not easy to drop him. Still a bit untested on the longer climbs though.
Colbrelli is just weird. If anything I'd make him a RES champion. Not a great cobbler, but you won't drop him. Surviving what Remco did to him was just so impressive. 73 MO 77 hill and very high res for me.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 16-09-2021 22:50
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Ollfardh wrote:
I was (half) joking with Portugal. But yeah, surely you guys aren't looking at post-Tour criteriums?
I honestly look at every race I can find, from Kermesse to Amateur races in Uruguay. Everything that Firstcycling offers data to (and sometimes even more). |
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 04-10-2021 07:13
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Guys, any changes in COB?? |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 05-10-2021 14:24
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Yes we are working on the cobble stats at the moment and then will work on the Italian races finishing with Il Lombardia and then we will get at least a stat update out in about a week's time.
As always put your cobble suggestions here, I'm interested in knowing what members would give Colbrelli, Vermeesch and Boivin etc and also for riders that have not done well at all this season Sagan, Gilbert and Naesen etc
Whilst it was good to have Paris-Roubaix at last, I'm wondering how much of it was dictated just by who was in great form at the season's end and who could cope with the weather at the end of the season, rather than just being the finale of the cobbled season as it usually is
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 05-10-2021 14:52
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Colbrelli has to be given great allround stats, but I think he mostly benefts from his smart tactics of surfing from wheel to wheel all day long and great form this season. Would 77 cobble with good backups make him good enough to win Roubaix? But I do feel he's the worst cobbler to win the race since Guesdon.
Vermeersch was the strongest in the race for me. He just rode at the front all day and he really never held back or anything either. But yeah, he doesn't have any other results to put him at the top.
Boivin is a good rider who had a good day like in the past we had guys like Bak, Elmiger, Tjallingii, Erviti, Sieberg etc get good results in this race. I wouldn't think too much of it, but he deserves a 76ish stat
Sagan, Gilbert and Naesen is the same story for me, they had their time and it's all downhill from here.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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