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Bikex
jaxika wrote:
I dont get it, i have a 7 pot 28 years old rider with 32 decline age and still decline...How is that possible?


Barguil is a good rider I can explain some development mechanisms on. I didn't really notice so far that he will loose his 82 mountain by quite a lot, but these are the reasons why:

#1 Barguil already reached his stat cap last season. The cap is not a fix maximum of points a rider can get, but a number around which the maximum is exactly, which is randomized newly each season. Last year he got a few more points than he would have gotten according to his cap. This time he looses some to compensate for that. Maybe next year he'll get a surplus again.
#2 Performance: Barguil was the highest rated climber on AVG last season, but finished only as the 5th best behind Contador, Quintana, Are & Bardet. This can be seen as that he underperformed and the total points topriders can loose is a little higher than that of lower tier riders.

Anyways, Barguil loosing 1 mountain stat may seem bad, but if you plan his development correctly you can assure that he gets +1 in FL, ACC & RES in return. In the end he is not that much weaker than before and next year he has the chance to gain all of his points back!

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Time for the last task of ICL19, decide the training for your riders.

If you do not care about how development exactly works, you can skip to the part where the file is explained.

Development Mechanics
Behind each stat there is a number that is between 0 and 1000. A basestat of 1000 will give the rider a stat of 85, 0 50. Which basestat is required for which stat can be seen in table 3.
Depending on the training you choose for a rider, there will be points added to his basestats. Each rider has 3 hidden development point pools, randomly assigned depending on his potential. Each season a rider gets points out of these pools to use for development: Points #1,#2,#3. The amount of points depends on various factors like age, potential, belonging to a dev team, race days used, success during the season, points left in pool.
Points #1 will be used for the main training you choose out of 7 options: Stage Race, Mountains, Time Trial, Sprint, Hills, Cobbles, Flat. Getting many points here will result in a high achievable main stat.
Points #2 will be used for a secondary focus you choose. The available secondary focusses depend on the first choice you did. Each choice has a standard option which will boost all backup stats. If you choose something else you might loose some points of your main stat gained from Points #1. For your secondary training you can choose a rate from 1-5 determining how much the rider wants to focus on his secondary choice. 5 being the maximum. If you choose anything lower, the remaining points will distributed according to the Standard training of your choice.
Points #3 are points spent on your Rider Personality. This influences the energy stats (Sta, Res, Rec), as well as Dh and Fi. You have 6 different choices there.
All of these points are rather arbitrary numbers and won't be directly converted into points -> 1 dev point <> 1 base stat point.
It is now possible that riders loose some base stat points (apart from general decline), before development. All these points lost are reassigned during. This influences older riders more than younger riders. This should enable riders to refocus slightly and bring some dynamics into the database. This way it is also possible to slightly control how your rider declines naturally. This also means you get to do training choices for each of the riders on your team.
In some cases it can happen that riders that have not reached their age of decline yet can't maintain all of their stat points (NEW!). This can be a result of poor performances during the season or settings implemented to keep the database balanced. This allows in return to give some developing talents more points so they develop quicker.

The Development File
As always, begin by adding your team ID into C2 in the "Team" tab. In "Teams" you can check for your ID in case you have forgotten.
In "Riders" you will see all your riders listed with their points to spend. You can do your development choices here like in the past. If you want to do that read the part at the end.
Go to the "Cockpit" tab to use the Development Cockpit. Here you find much useful information on your riders while choosing their training. In row 11 you'll find 5 drop down selectors. Use them for your training choices. Start by selecting your first cyclist in the first selector. Information on him will appear. In the #1 selector you can choose the riders main training. In the #2 selector you can select the riders secondary training choice. In the R selector you can choose the 1-5 rate the rider is focusing on his secondary training. Even if selecting 5 the rider should usually progress stronger in your main choice. Exception could happen, if a rider gets much more #2 points than #1 points. In the P selector choose from the 6 possible rider personalities.
Information displayed in the Development cockpit:
Suggested: Suggests an automatically generated training plan for the rider. If you want to skip selecting trainings for some riders, these will be used for their development.
Riders Stats: In row 2 you see the riders actual stats. After selecting a training for him, they'll change to reflect the change. You can tick the "Hide Progress" box to show the old stats again.
Statpoints: There are 4 rows showing riders basestats: "Old Statpoints" showing the riders basestats of last season, "Change" will show the added points depending on your training selections, "New Statpoints" is obvious then, "Missing" are the points missing for the rider to improve this stat by 1.
Age(2019), Potential and Age of Decline of the rider are shown in V2-V4.
Statpoints: Below that you can see the statpoints to spend on a riders development. If #3 is 0, you do not need to choose any personality. If #2 is 0 still choose a secondary focus, as a small portion of #1 also goes there.
When done, check the "Riders" tab to make sure you have selected training for all the riders you want to select it for. Afterwards fo to the "PM" tab and send me columns B-F in a table format as a PM.
You do not like the cockpit? There is still the option to do your development in the "Riders" tab. Read on if you want to do that. In U-W you see the proposed trainings. The standard rate of the secondary choice is always 2. In column Z put 1-7 to get your first choice. In column ZZ your choice will pop up. In column AB put your secondary choice, by putting 1-x. As there are different amount of secondary choices depending on your first choice, x can be different values. You have to try it out or check the "Trainings" tab. To help you in column AB you'll see your choice. Next change the rate of the influence of your Training#2 selection. Put a number between 1 and 5 in column AD. In column AE put anything between A-F for your personality choice. It will appear in column AF. Note: If you have used the selector before you might see a Personality choice in column AG. Anything you put in AE will overwrite that.


Important: Don't try to sort the tables in this file! This will only mess up the file. It seemed like too much work for me to fix this issue, it's part of the file since the very first season. The only thing you can do to change the order of your riders is to sort in the "DB" tab only before(!) starting your development!

Edited by Bikex on 15-11-2020 22:48
 
df_Trek
nice to see some riders joining our team. Den Haag also got decent results at WC.
 
DaveTwoBob
Bikex wrote:
jaxika wrote:
I dont get it, i have a 7 pot 28 years old rider with 32 decline age and still decline...How is that possible?


Barguil is a good rider I can explain some development mechanisms on. I didn't really notice so far that he will loose his 82 mountain by quite a lot, but these are the reasons why:

#1 Barguil already reached his stat cap last season. The cap is not a fix maximum of points a rider can get, but a number around which the maximum is exactly, which is randomized newly each season. Last year he got a few more points than he would have gotten according to his cap. This time he looses some to compensate for that. Maybe next year he'll get a surplus again.
#2 Performance: Barguil was the highest rated climber on AVG last season, but finished only as the 5th best behind Contador, Quintana, Are & Bardet. This can be seen as that he underperformed and the total points topriders can loose is a little higher than that of lower tier riders.

Anyways, Barguil loosing 1 mountain stat may seem bad, but if you plan his development correctly you can assure that he gets +1 in FL, ACC & RES in return. In the end he is not that much weaker than before and next year he has the chance to gain all of his points back!

Thanks Bikex - thats very useful info to understand some of my riders loosing mountain stats.
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Shonak
Taking a look through the database, the new season will be very entertaining. Grin
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Me looking at the sheet when it tells me Wackermann can't get to 79HI this year

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Vali
Bikex wrote:
I have sent out messages for rebids on talents bid on in this round by several teams. Talents in the spoiler were already signed.

Instructions same as before: https://pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread...st_1375303

Spoiler
237CermeñoSaúlLiberty Seguros
338Den HaagGillisBrugse Zot - Trek
455FrígolaSantiagoGrupo Argos - Quala
456FrígolaDavidGrupo Argos - Quala
557GyllensjöJonatanPolestar ProCycling p/b Telenor
640JanssensGeofferyBrugse Zot - Trek
776LikarVictorItalo
825MakukhinKirillPolestar ProCycling p/b Telenor
1339TavernierRaphaëlBrugse Zot - Trek
1366TohverToomasGrupo Argos - Quala


Wait shit, so I can't send in my bids for the second round anymore? (Not that it doesn't matter too much)
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Bikex
Vali wrote:
Bikex wrote:
I have sent out messages for rebids on talents bid on in this round by several teams. Talents in the spoiler were already signed.

Instructions same as before: https://pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread...st_1375303

Spoiler
237CermeñoSaúlLiberty Seguros
338Den HaagGillisBrugse Zot - Trek
455FrígolaSantiagoGrupo Argos - Quala
456FrígolaDavidGrupo Argos - Quala
557GyllensjöJonatanPolestar ProCycling p/b Telenor
640JanssensGeofferyBrugse Zot - Trek
776LikarVictorItalo
825MakukhinKirillPolestar ProCycling p/b Telenor
1339TavernierRaphaëlBrugse Zot - Trek
1366TohverToomasGrupo Argos - Quala


Wait shit, so I can't send in my bids for the second round anymore? (Not that it doesn't matter too much)


Well there was a deadline for yesterday.
If you want to bid for a rider not on the list, you can send it to me quickly.
 
Vali
You're right, I seemingly read that too quickly back then and thought that we should finish scouting within the next 2 days and then the second round happens. But I wouldn't have signed anyone good anyway, so it doesn't really matter.

Man I don't know what it is about this season of ICL, but somehow I seem to go from dumb move to even dumber move Pfft
Next season can't come quick enough! Smile
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Ripley
To be honest, I didn't see that deadline, either. I was just doing my last bit of scouting yesterday and Bikex told me to hurry up. In the rush I maybe bid a little too much on the one rider I found.

In development, none of my better riders can improve their main stat, not even Tao, with one surprising exception, Stannard gains +1 COB. Sadly, Thomas will lose -1 COB, that could be crucial.

But the dev riders develop better than I thought. I have to tone down Fritsch so he stays under 72.0 and can captain the team next season. And the terrible riders I got from jandal don't look half as bad anymore, I might even keep one.
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Bikex
Updated DB with all talents that will be added for next season: https://www.mediafire.com/file/vay6xrf....xlsx/file

Potential 6 talents Lacour and Cremer ended their career before it really begun. Still there will be 13 new pot6 & 7 talents in the free agency.
 
ivaneurope
Woah, Burgese really paid that much for Nico Roembiak?!
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Ollfardh
Heavily outbid on Roembiak (is that really a name?), so I can live with that.

Dev file looks so interesting, I'm turning GVK around like there's no tomorrow. Is there a deadline for this yet?
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
 
Ripley
Is it too late to bid on Petrikov? Smile

So it's random who makes the FA pool? I know the British talents weren't great this year, but I remember a few who are better than Gowshall and Gill!
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Shonak
Ollfardh wrote:
Dev file looks so interesting, I'm turning GVK around like there's no tomorrow.

Endless fun, just amazing work bikex. Love it.
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Shonak
Great bargain for Suntory, Wright is a future GOAT! Too bad Fox is not active but where was Santos on that bid?
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Shonak
ivaneurope wrote:
Woah, Burgese really paid that much for Nico Roembiak?!

Great talent, don't forget: a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
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df_Trek
Looking at his stats compared to other talents I think the price for Roembiak worths the bid, we will see if is the same on the roads. Happy to be able to sign two of the top3 talents on the market by average, despite losing a likely future top class chamipion on cobbles (let put some pressure already now Pfft).
 
dominox
I guess I already have to look through my roster and see which 15 riders I should release because of returning to CT, lol

On the other hand, Favourite part of the ICL starts right now. Can't be mad.
 
DaveTwoBob
Shonak wrote:
Great bargain for Suntory, Wright is a future GOAT! Too bad Fox is not active but where was Santos on that bid?

Thanks, surprised and delighted I won Wright, bit of a long shot. Hope he will eventually fill the gap left by Dumoulin.
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ivaneurope
Shonak wrote:
ivaneurope wrote:
Woah, Burgese really paid that much for Nico Roembiak?!

Great talent, don't forget: a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.


This was my 3rd attempt to enter a bid war for a young prospect and the third time I've got overbid. But I've got the U21 RR champion for a bargain at least.
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