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[PT] EA Vesuvio [2022]
aidanvn13
I would've loved to get Munton, but when I saw what the price was going to I just couldn't get the funds together. Maybe next year is a different story Pfft

In the mean time, I am happy to have him on my team on loan
 
SportingNonsense
Grand Ambitions

There's every chance that this will be the first season in which we don't have a rider in the Top 10 GC of any of the Grand Tours. But that doesn't mean we aren't looking forward to them!

After last year's successes, from breakaways and KoM hunting, we hope for some more aggressive riding this season, with three contenders for each race.

GiroVueltaTour
A Schleck Godoy A Schleck
Kirsch Kirsch Godoy
Wirtgen Goos Goos

But in fact, the top aim for the Grand Tours this season is a different competition - and one we have never won at any GT, the best young rider competition.

Caio Godoy is the stand out ProTour rider this season for that competition, and will look to emulate Pierre-Henri Lecuisinier (2018) and Angel Madrazo (2012) in winning this competition in not one, but two Grand Tours in the same season.

It was oh so very tempting for him to go for the triple, but the potential of an Oomen wildcard, desire to take part in some other races, and the presence of Tom Wirtgen, was just about enough to decide against it. Wirtgen has the next two seasons to compete in this classification, but he can certainly be in the mix for the Giro this year - there could well be a number of riders of similar climbing ability present.

For Godoy, the terrain of the Vuelta makes that his primary target, but really, we do have high hopes for both races.

Young Rider GT History
GiroVueltaTour
2019Silvio HerklotzMerhawi KudusMiguel Angel Lopez
2018Pierre-Henri LecuisinierSilvio HerklotzPierre-Henri Lecuisinier
2017Lachlan MortonPierre-Henri LecuisinierAdam Yates
2016Tim WellensPierre-Henri LecuisinierJoseph Dombrowski
2015Thibaut PinotTim WellensJoseph Dombrowski
2014Joseph DombrowskiJusto Tenorio Taylor Phinney
2013Taylor PhinneyJusto Tenorio Angel Madrazo
2012Sergio Luis Henao MontoyaAngel MadrazoAngel Madrazo
2011Sergio Luis Henao MontoyaDavid AbalSimon Spilak
2010Thomas LövkvistAndy SchleckSimon Spilak
2009Vincenzo NibaliRobert GesinkAleksandr Pluchkin
2008Riccardo RiccoThomas DekkerJanez Brajkovic
2007Andy SchleckJose RujanoThomas Dekker


By Team
Spoiler
GiroVueltaTour
2019PumaRepsolEvonik
2018FestinaPumaFestina
2017JaycoFestinaAyubowan
2016BpostFestinaPendletons
2015AyubowanBouyguesPendletons
2014PendletonsSantanderWikipedia
2013WikipediaSantanderSantander
2012MilkaSantanderSantander
2011NespressoSantanderWarner Brothers
2010DominaDominaWikipedia
2009DominaFrance TVB&O
2008MagentaCredit AgricoleFrance TV
2007LiquigasBouyguesCredit Agricole

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Shonak
The chance of Godoy winning all three U25 jerseys would have been megaton. Good luck for the jersey and stage win hunting! Andy hopefully on fire and looking for payback a bit.
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Bikex
I was looking at your team when deciding what GT to send Gidich to and was hoping to avoid both Godoy and Wirtgen. Seeing that one of them is at each GT makes that a little bit pointless, was hoping each of them gets only one GT. I hope Gidich can at least give it a fight for the white jersey at the tour, but I doubt he can overcome the huge differences in mountain and recovery to Godoy by being better in other areas.
 
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PT Stage Race History

Dan Holloway stormed into the team history books by winning the Tour of Qatar in his Vesuvio debut.

It feels a good time to look back at our history in the PT stage race category.

This was our 15th PT stage race triumph, so just about averaging one per season (this being the 14th season!). It's the first since the 2016 Tour de Suisse; and the 5th non-Schleck win - the previous two both having been in Qatar as well, from Ben Swift in 2012 and 2015.

It's also the first stage race where an American has been our best rider. This makes USA the 20th nationality to have had the best Vesuvio rider in a race.

By best GC position only, this year's 9 PT stage races:
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20201
201958315219927587
2018202623112222617
2017211849559367
201619211201187518
20151516342134
2014353127257
2013218112443834
2012111151117
20112425113759
2010405313367
20095812110
20081021011
20071465

And in more detail:

The Originals

Six stage races that we rode in the first season in 2007, and have had a long history with since - four having been PT for every season.

Tirreno-AdriaticoParis-NiceVolta a Catalunya
201931 Kirsch5 Wirtgen
201826 Reimer2 A Schleck
201718 Keinath49 Van der Lijke
201621 Van der Lijke1 A Schleck
20155 A Schleck16 F Schleck
20145 F Schleck3 A Schleck7 Gastauer
201318 F Schleck11 Gastauer3 A Schleck
20121 F Schleck11 Iglinski2 Intxausti
201125 Iglinski11 F Schleck2 Uran
201053 Stundzia1 F Schleck99 Sijmens
20098 Pellizotti12 Intxausti17 Intxausti
200810 Gil2 F Schleck1 Mancebo
20071 F Schleck4 Gil2 Mancebo

Tour de SuisseDauphine LibereVuelta al Pais Vasco
20199 Goos27 Kirsch
20182 A Schleck22 Goos11 Gastauer
20175 A Schleck9 Keinath10 Gastauer
20161 A Schleck18 Medvedev7 Gastauer
201534 F Schleck2 A Schleck7 Gastauer
20141 A Schleck27 Claerebout4 F Schleck
20132 A Schleck44 Paterski3 F Schleck
20125 Intxausti11 Iglinski25 Hoogerland
20113 Uran7 Intxausti5 F Schleck
20103 F Schleck3 Intxausti3 F Schleck
20091 F Schleck10 Intxausti
200810 Intxausti11 Mancebo18 Gil
20076 Piepoli5 F Schleck8 Cobo

Modern Classics

Three stage races that are firmly established as part of the PT identity now. Tour of Qatar can now be seen as our second most successful stage race. Tour of Northern Europe has always been more about stage wins than GC!

Tour of QatarTONETour of Tasmania
20201 Holloway
201958 Gesbert58 Kaislavuo7 Goos
201820 Kneisky26 Gastauer17 Keinath
201721 Kittel36 Vanmarcke7 Keinath
201619 Kittel75 Vanmarcke18 Goos
20151 Swift13 Gastauer4 Gastauer
20143 Kittel25 Swift7 F Schleck
20132 Swift38 Skujins34 Gastauer
20121 Swift17 Einsle
201124 Kittel59 Kittel
201040 Kittel67 Smukulis
20095 Clesen


Former Regulars

Three races that have had stints as PT races, but have often switched (or stayed) into lower divisions.

Tour of RomandieDeutschland TourTour of California
201929 Kneisky
20183 Kittel3 Gastauer
2017
201620 Gastauer5 Goos
20155 Gastauer24 Gastauer
201416 Suaza3 F Schleck7 F Schleck
20131 A Schleck91 Swift44 Medvedev
201212 Uran4 Intxausti
20119 Uran2 Uran20 Faiers
201013 Iglinski54 Stundzia26 Chacon
20092 Pellizotti9 Iglinski2 Millar
20089 Intxausti18 Mancebo
200712 Piepoli


See you soon

We return to Colombia as a PTHC race this year; listed here alongside the two newest regular PT stage races.

Vuelta a ColombiaPraha - KV - PrahaRonde van Nederland
20192 Kneisky19 Kneisky
20183 Kittel11 Gastauer
20175 Kittel
201620 Suaza20 Jungels
201520 Suaza
20146 Suaza
201311 Samwel
201223 Medvedev
2011
2010
200912 Iglinski


Fond memories

Two stage races that didn't hold a PT license for long, but long enough for Frank Schleck. And before TONE we had the original ENECO Tour - we also had Fabian Cancellara then too!

Tour of NorwayFBD Eire TourEneco Tour
2019
2018
2017
2016
2015
20141 F Schleck
201314 Gastauer
201217 Mehr-Wenige
20111 F Schleck
2010
20095 Cancellara
20081 Cancellara
20077 Millar

Three more

Tour of Pologne is the only race we've ridden at least 3 times, where we've won one stage every time. Two other early PT stage races had reasonable back to back efforts from the same rider.

Tour of PologneVuelta a AsturiasInt. Osterreich Rundfahrt
201926 Kirsch
2018
2017
2016
2015
2014
2013
2012
20114 Intxausti
20106 Intxausti4 Pellizotti
200913 Pellizotti
200816 Medina
20079 De la Fuente


One hit wonders

Stage races that only made it into the PT once.

2012 Tour of Oman: 2nd, Uran (By just 1 second!)
2015 Omloop Het Volk: 3rd, Schechter
2008 Tour of Britain: 4th, Millar
2009 Vuelta Burgos: 6th, Intxausti
2012 Vuelta a la Region de Murcia: 9th, Intxausti
2009 Tour Down Under: 15th, Freire
2010 Tour de Georgia: 31st, Wielinga
2016 SAA Tour d'Afrique: 66th, Mundle (41st for Reimer in 2018 PTHC)

One more for completeness

Criterium International
201116 Uran
201020 Kittel
20098 Millar


Grand Tours not included. PTHC records listed where race was previously ridden as PT race. Not included PTHC-only races: Tour of East Java (2020), Barbados Cycling Festival (2019), Scandinavia Open (2019), Volta a Portugal (2019,2017), Balkans International (2018), Tour of Ukraine (2017). Also excluded all previous weaker-squad HC races: 2016 (Tour of the Czech Republic, Volta a Portugal), 2015 (Bayern Rundfahrt, 5 Jours de Dunkerque, Eneco Tour). Also excluded any years when these races were one-day races.
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Shonak
Wow great post. Who knew that Vesuvio had just a strong supporting cast of shadowy mountain goats with Mancebo, Cobo, Pellizotti, and Piepoli, or that you had Cance for some seasons.
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roturn
Brilliant history post. Love all those statistics.

Really shows how consistent you have been over more than a decade even in years without big wins like 2019 the team then showed up differently by going for GT KoMs etc. So there is barely any season or even shorter period without huge success.

That said, from the statistics, you really finally should get a leader for TONE. NEVER in the top10...obviously not counting the original Eneco Tour from early times.
 
SportingNonsense
With TONE, clearly I should have kept Cancellara for an extra season! Do at least have 8 stage wins there - which is the 4th best race for that tally.

Shonak wrote:
Wow great post. Who knew that Vesuvio had just a strong supporting cast of shadowy mountain goats with Mancebo, Cobo, Pellizotti, and Piepoli, or that you had Cance for some seasons.


The team may have gone to Luxembourg at the first opportunity, but yes, some interesting characters early on - in part by coming from Saunier Duval as a base.
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Guave
Clearly Holloway didn't need much introduction, but you can never now how a rider reacts when starting with a new team and how age affects the performances. Vesuvio obviously fits him and he has showed that appropriately.
 
knockout
Brilliant post - i love to look at stats heavy post when you have such a long team history. Whats the most stunning is how you nearly always finish top 20 with your best rider with ToNE as the only exception where you dont get that sort of success. Im sure that many other teams (including mine) would show a lot less consistency than that when we would do such a post and we'd have far fewer years to show.
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SportingNonsense
Team Points Stats - 2020 Update

Well, 2020 was the year of the American rescue for EA Vesuvio. Holloway kicked things off to a flying start, and other new signing Tejay Van Garderen very much picked up the baton and ran with it. Amongst other, higher scoring, rides - he also achieved the team's first Top 10 finish at TONE, as noted in the previous post. It is the first time since 2007 that our top scoring rider has achieved that in their first season of riding for us - and of course in 2007, that was rather by default!

The Stars and Stripes make a commanding entrance on to our flag points graph below then; which also highlights the increases from Wirtgen, van der Lijke, and Godoy - offsetting the falls from last season's top scorers.

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Van Garderen offering us a stronger top scorer this season, while also notable amongst our history are the relative strengths of our 4th and 5th best scorers this time around.

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Tom Wirtgen stepped up to be our 3rd top scorer, and leading Luxembourger - not for the last time you would suspect. It's the first season that a Schleck was not amongst our Top 3 scorers - or even the Top 8. 222 points for Andy in 2020, placing him 9th within the team. The Schleck dynasty has ended. Not only that, but Ben Gastauer too - after 7 seasons in our Top 4, he was down to 11th.

History - Top 4
1234
2020 Van Garderen Holloway Wirtgen Van der Lijke
2019 Goos Gastauer A Schleck Kneisky
2018 A Schleck Van der Lijke Gastauer Kittel
2017 A Schleck Keinath Gastauer Kittel
2016 A Schleck Gastauer Goos Vanmarcke
2015 Swift A Schleck Gastauer F Schleck
2014 A Schleck F Schleck Swift Gastauer
2013 Swift A Schleck F Schleck Gastauer
2012 F Schleck Intxausti Swift Úran
2011 F Schleck Úran Intxausti Iglinski
2010 F Schleck Intxausti Pellizotti Iglinski
2009 F Schleck Pellizotti Cancellara Millar
2008 F Schleck Cancellara Mancebo Millar
2007 F Schleck Mancebo Gil Piepoli


History - Next 4
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2020 Godoy Goos Kirsch Smit
2019 Van der Lijke Kirsch Wirtgen Godoy
2018 Keinath Reimer Godoy Goos
2017 Vanmarcke König Goos Paterski
2016 Suaza Van der Lijke Aru Paterski
2015 Suaza Kittel Schlechter Slagter
2014 Kittel Suaza Kirsch Paterski
2013 Samwel Kittel Caethoven Medvedev
2012 Iglinski Paterski Mehr-Wenige Hoogerland
2011 Kvasina Ford Kittel Medvedev
2010 Perez F. Sijmens Kvasina Wielinga
2009 Freire Intxausti Clesen Hunter
2008 Sosenka Medina Ignatiev Ventoso
2007 Millar Cobo Bertogliati Wielinga

Last season's tally of 5,208 points would have just about seen us survive this year, but with a higher score of 5,953, we ended up 10th. To look ahead though, with Van Garderen and Holloway both one year older, they may not even be at the team in the season to come - so who will step up to the top spot, and how many points will they score?
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SportingNonsense
Post-Renewals

Available

Our approach with our puncheurs is pretty straight forward. While recognising that both are on the older end of the scale, we believe both still have competitive wages for their skillset. We can afford to keep them, but will be looking for offers also.

FLMOHITTSTRSRCCOSPACXPAgeOVLWage
T. Van Garderen72718168777470666978Max3378.6 450,000
B. Gastauer67698064756765576573Max3474.9 118,000


Leaders

Wirtgen maxes out and is now able to take more of a leadership role. We don't plan to make any of these 4 available, but never say never.

FLMOHITTSTRSRCCOSPACXPAgeOVLWage
T. Wirtgen73787580767575656272Max2578.5 460,000
N. Van der Lijke73647666737178648279Max3077.9 330,000
C. Godoy68797667757677545975Max2677.3 270,000
A. Kirsch70797471757375676867Max2876.4 140,000


Core

Maxed out riders are in the slight minority across the team in general, but these four all have important roles within the team as it stands.

FLMOHITTSTRSRCCOSPACXPAgeOVLWage
M. Goos71777476787576566773Max3176.3 145,000
B. Jungels72646878747569546363Max2974.2 70,000
W. Smit72697569767271546874Max2974.2 80,000
I. Centrone74627159726770765358Max2673.1 50,000

Talents

The push for new riders over the last couple of transfers brings the team to 11 Lvl 3 and Lvl 4 riders for this season. Just as well we are still PT then, and suffice to say, I won't be the team to look for loaning in 3/4 riders this time around. Maybe a sale would make my development plan easier? You tell me Wink

FLMOHITTSTRSRCCOSPACXPAgeOVLWage
E. Gesbert707376647877776267714.832675.2 90,000
K. Girdlestone707571727572735561684.732473.5 50,000
J. Pelikan736669767370695661694.012673.0 50,000
Z. Rucigaj697471717273716163644.062672.8 50,000
S. Bax706775687572726265674.102572.7 50,000
K. Geniets736874687275696461663.392472.4 50,000
B. Munton667070747071726060633.132371.4 62,000
N. Cabrera687169726870736168643.502470.9 50,000
F. Gall667271626869685861683.002370.5 50,000
L. Wirtgen697070637170705866643.062370.0 50,000
M. Ries687268617070695861693.062369.8 50,000

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baseballlover312
Wirtgen is gonna do huge damage over the course of his career. I imagine training is likely in the coming years.

It was very weird to see Andy as a free agent. With both Schlecks gone from Vesuvio now, an era has certainly ended. But you have a really nice looking core with plenty of great talents going forward.
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Eden95
Love the look of your core leadership group, Wirtgen and Godoy are super exciting riders. Would love to see a trained Godoy one day give prime Alacorn a run for his money Smile
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SotD
Some very interesting names in that team without big big leaders though as van Garderen is now more of a "Koretzky-type" subleader. Still capable of scoring 700-1000 points though!

Caio Godoy almost landed at Festina a couple of seasons back - unfortunately I couldn't match your offer in the end - I sorely regret that. What a rider!

Tom Wirtgen ready to tare up the U25 competition. I suppose that will be a a new mini-Phinney in the years to come.

Btw - any reason you don't include the PRL stat in your list? Smile

When looking at riders I would like in my team one name obviously stand out. A lonely french dude just eagerly awaits his chance to move on to Festina. I hope this can be achieved.

Definately weird not having any Schlecks anymore - but also good for the ones hoping to win a GT Smile
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SportingNonsense
On Schleck, well we might not be done with him yet.)! But opportunity is there now for a CT team to take a punt on him.

Godoy was a great late transfers move a few seasons back - well worth the small bit of training that was sacrificed to get him. And indeed, plenty of time available for him to get better too.

@SotD The tables are at the width limit for looking good so had to leave some out - and I don't have any Prologue specialists anyway. And I do indeed have a valuable Frenchman!
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Fabianski
If you need to offload a few talents, I might help you as well Wink It's clear who SotD is after - and of course he'd fit into my team nicely as well - but there's also at least one other rider who could be pretty useful already now and especially in the future Smile
 
sammyt93
I'm definitely going to be getting in touch once transfers start, we've always done good business and had good convo's during transfers.
 
the_hoyle
Was delighted to help you out with Gall last year, so if you need the same again this year then get in touch. Sadly not sure if I can make your available guys fit in the team currently
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Final Grand Tour mountain stage of his career, and Andy Schleck takes maximum points on the Croix de Fer.

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In his final day of Tour de France racing, Andy Schleck leads the peloton into the tunnel on the final lap of the Champs Elysees.
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