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[2020] Stat Gains, XP, Team Info, Wildcards
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| roturn |
Posted on 29-09-2020 14:03
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Stat Increases
Stat increases work the same way as they have done in the past. There are 5 levels of riders: Level 1, Level 2, Level 3, Level 4 and Maxed (Lvl 4 and 100 XP). Each time a rider gets to 100 xp they gain a level, and receive a stats increase of the manager's choice.
This choice comes from one of 12 categories. Despite a lot of considerations following the suggestion thread with an adjusted fighter type, no new category this year but potentially next season then, which will see me and others consider this during the season already to announce it earlier. This file (from 2019 = 2020) details the exact amount of gain that will be received, depending on Category, Level and Potential.
https://www.dropb...s.xls?dl=0
The XP for these increases is gained by racing. Each race day earns a particular amount of XP, depending on the category of race and level of the rider. If a riders fails to finish a race, they still receive the xp for the full race.
| XP | Level 1 | Level 2 | Level 3 | Level 4 | | GT | 0 | 0 | 1 | 2 | | M | 0 | 0 | 1 | 2 | | PT (PTHC fpr PCT) | 0 | 1 | 2 | 1 | | HC (PTHC fpr PT) | 1 | 2.5 | 1.5 | 0.5 | | C1/C2HC | 2 | 2 | 1 | 0 | | C2 | 3 | 1.5 | 1 | 0 |
Additionally, the Tour de l'Avenir offers 20 xp to all riders who take part. Eligible riders this year are born in 1997 or later. This 20 xp is the first XP to be added to a rider during the XP calculation process. XP gained from normal races is then applied to a rider in an optimum fashion.
Riders may only gain 1 level per season, with the exception of Level 1 riders who are able to reach level 3. Though for riders born in 1999 onwards a development from level 1 to level 3 is not possible! Same counts for loaned out level 1 riders that did not include the 1->3 development clause/fee.
Any stat increases gained during the 2020 season will be applied after the season ends, ready for the 2021 DB.
The other form of stat increases is training. Prices might stay like last season but will be further explained later. There will also be the 2015 introduced restrictions on the amount of training a team can do each year.
Eligibility for Training:
- Only riders born in 1990 or later are able to be trained
- Only riders who are 'maxed out' - i.e. their xp is 4.100 - are able to be trained
- If a rider only maxed out during the 2019 season, then he is not eligible to be trained - as his stats have already improved inbetween the 2019 and 2020 seasons. Similarly, newly added riders to the DB, or riders whose stats have been improved, cannot be trained. There is a coloumn in the transfers DB showing who is and who isn`t eligible. If this coloumn proves to have a mistake, this will be adjusted as the rules above are easy to check.
Stat Decreases
Also in the statgains file are the decreases that older riders will receive at the end of the season. Riders born in 1988 will receive their first decrease this time around.
Team Sizes
PT and PCT teams have a minimum team size of 20 riders and a maximum size of 30 riders.
CT teams have a minimum team size of 15 rider and a maximum size of 20 riders.
These counts include Loaned in riders, but do not include Loaned out riders. Stagiares count as half a rider in PCT/CT but do no longer count for the minimum for PT teams. You can have a maximum of 4 stagiares.
The team size for all teams in all races is 8 riders. There is a minimum of 6 riders for each race. If you cannot field at least 6 riders, you will not be allowed to take part in the race.
The only exceptions are the pure time trial events, which have a rider limit of 3 riders per team.
Salary Caps
PT: 3,500,000
PCT: 2,500,000
CT: 1,200,000
Each team has a loan cap of 200,000. The loan cap will be explained within the Transfer rules.
Wildcards (PCT>PT)
There will be 2 wildcard slots for PCT teams in all PT races - not just Grand Tours and Monuments. There is a package cost for applying to a particular race category - you can apply to as many races as you like within a category, once you have bought the package. (Although there is an overall limit of races to apply for)
Prices are the same as last year:
| Classics | | €30,000 | | Monuments | | €50,000 | | Classics and Monuments | | €70,000 | | Stage Races | | €70,000 | | Grand Tours | | €100,000 | | Grand Tours and Stage Races | | €150,000 | | All PT Races | | €200,000 |
Points scored by PCT teams in PT races does not count towards the PCT standings, and the races do not cost any race days. Race clash rules do apply though.
Priority for Grand Tour wildcards goes to teams who have not previously ridden a GT.
CT Teams in HC Races
The soon to be posted HC bands will show which bands and races still have spots for CT managers.
If a CT team decides to ask for a HC race, this can be done in the C1C2 Race Selection file depedning on open spots and priority lists as will be explained in the Race Selection Thread later.
Points scored will count towards the CT standings, race days are needed for team and riders though, just as with any other C1, C2HC, C2 events.
Time Bonus
Most races use the usual system.
Finish line: 20-12-8 seconds
Sprint: 6-4-2 seconds
There are some races though, that are mainly sprinter focussed, hence getting a bit of a different system to reward consistent sprinters inside the top10 but without top results.
Finish line: 25-18-15-12-10-8-6-4-2-1 seconds
Sprint: 3-2-1 seconds
The races with the 2nd system are
| Ronde van Nederland | | Tour of Qatar | | SAA Tour d'Afrique | | Barbados Cycling Festival | | Baltic Chain Tour | | Ras Tailteann | | Tour Down Under | | Course de Solidarnosc | | Tour du Faso | | Circulo de Juarez | | La Tropicale Amissa Bongo | | USA Pro Cycling Challenge |
Grand Tours Points Competition
In the past couple years GC riders dominated the point classification. Therefore parts of the RL TdF points are rewarded in the finish of specific stages.
This goes for all 3 GTs in the PT division as also for the Tour of America.
Flat Stage: 50-30-20-18-16-14-12-10-8-7-6-5-4-3-2
Hilly Stage: 30-25-22-19-17-15-13-11-9-7-6-5-4-3-2
Mountain Stage: 25-20-16-14-12-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1
Mountain Top Stage: 20-17-15-13-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1
The definition of the stage is not necessarily the symbol. For mountains this usually is, for stages that end slightly uphill, it either can be the flat or hilly rating depending on the way towards the finish.
We will going to check to see if this is really as you would expect it to be. |
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| quadsas |
Posted on 29-09-2020 14:12
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No buffed fighter level up is a big sad
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 29-09-2020 14:12
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Very disappointing to not have any changes to the fighter category still this season. Is there a reason for the hesitation? I understand not wanting to add more of the hybrid main stat plans that people have been suggesting, but I don't think fighter would ever be a legitimate option for leaders anyway.
But in the end, we know what to work from already, so it doesn't change anything. Excited we're getting even closer to takeoff!
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| knockout |
Posted on 29-09-2020 14:47
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roturn wrote:
The definition of the stage is not necessarily the symbol. For mountains this usually is, for stages that end slightly uphill, it either can be the flat or hilly rating depending on the way towards the finish.
We will going to check to see if this is really as you would expect it to be.
Will there be any way for us to see which one will be used?
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| roturn |
Posted on 29-09-2020 14:52
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knockout wrote:
roturn wrote:
The definition of the stage is not necessarily the symbol. For mountains this usually is, for stages that end slightly uphill, it either can be the flat or hilly rating depending on the way towards the finish.
We will going to check to see if this is really as you would expect it to be.
Will there be any way for us to see which one will be used?
Basically what I am going to test is how stages are defined.
Usually it`s:
- mountain stage (mountain top stage in categories of climb. For all those the same points, so doesn`t matter)
- hill finish (for mainly hill top finishes, which are harder than Mur Finishes)
- Flat finish (for all remaining stages basically)
- Classic Finish (will try to avoid those fully for GTs. They will use the flat finish point scale though, but must check to see how the Mur finishes are)
So in the end might go for:
Mountain
Hill (All hill stages and also uphill finishes such as harder Mur stages)
Flat (All others)
Something I am going to try is to make a list of all finishes and likely also H/M ratio for GTs the next couple days. |
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| Ulrich Ulriksen |
Posted on 29-09-2020 15:24
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I know for points the Tour of America scores as higher than C1. I assume that is not true for XP? For XP it is C1. Tx.
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| roturn |
Posted on 29-09-2020 19:48
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C1xp
HC scoring |
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| cunego59 |
Posted on 05-10-2020 00:27
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I have two questions regarding XP gains:
- Does the XP scale shift midseason if a rider gains enough XP to level up? So, if a level one rider has raced enough to gain 100 XP after a few months, will he then gain XP according to the level 2 scale for the rest of the season or does it stay the same until the end of the year?
- I assume the race days from the race planners count? So a classic gives two race days for XP gains?
Thanks!
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 05-10-2020 00:34
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Stat increases will only apply at the end of the season, calculated in the optimal development way, based on race days ridden across the whole year. Race calendar does not influence it at all. e.g. A level 1 rider will always have XP from their C2 race days applied first.
Yep, a classic is 2 RD for sending a rider there, and 2 RD for XP purposes.
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| cio93 |
Posted on 05-10-2020 00:34
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cunego59 wrote:
I have two questions regarding XP gains:
- Does the XP scale shift midseason if a rider gains enough XP to level up? So, if a level one rider has raced enough to gain 100 XP after a few months, will he then gain XP according to the level 2 scale for the rest of the season or does it stay the same until the end of the year?
- I assume the race days from the race planners count? So a classic gives two race days for XP gains?
Thanks!
1) Since this question (rightfully) gets asked every year, I'll just link you the start of the discussion from last season's thread which should help. 
https://pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread...st_1341957
2) Yes.
edit: Alaphilippe'd. The link should still be of use though.
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| Aquarius97 |
Posted on 05-10-2020 00:37
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cunego59 wrote:
I have two questions regarding XP gains:
- Does the XP scale shift midseason if a rider gains enough XP to level up? So, if a level one rider has raced enough to gain 100 XP after a few months, will he then gain XP according to the level 2 scale for the rest of the season or does it stay the same until the end of the year?
- I assume the race days from the race planners count? So a classic gives two race days for XP gains?
Thanks!
For the second question, yes. A classic is 2RD for both planning and XP gains
For the first question, XP are awarded in the most optimal way, with Avenir XP being the first awarded. That means it doesn't matter the order of the calendar you put the rider, only the RD's you put him in each race category
And yes, if a rider starts the season in 1.60 XP, first he gets XP's according to Lvl1 rider, and once he reaches 2.0 XP, his gains will count as a Lvl2 rider from that point
Took me so long to write two people answered first  Terrible
Edited by Aquarius97 on 05-10-2020 00:40
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| cunego59 |
Posted on 05-10-2020 00:38
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Thank you both for the quick answers
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| jaxika |
Posted on 10-10-2020 14:31
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A quick question. In PTHC races what point scoring system is used? (PT or HC) |
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| cio93 |
Posted on 10-10-2020 14:33
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PTHC points scoring. 
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| jaxika |
Posted on 10-10-2020 14:42
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Where to find that? |
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| cio93 |
Posted on 10-10-2020 14:47
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Dunno if there's a more recent file than 2017, but I think we didn't change anything since then anyway.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7626th2lyxl...s.xls?dl=0
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| Fabianski |
Posted on 10-10-2020 14:50
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Asked the same question last year, and was told the 2017 scale was still valid. So I guess it's the same this year
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| jaxika |
Posted on 10-10-2020 14:54
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Thanks. |
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 15-10-2020 00:26
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Does L'avenir XP get added first or at the most opportune time? As I think a level 1 rider gets to level 3 using less race days in CT if it's added after he hits level 2 rather than before.
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| Aquarius97 |
Posted on 15-10-2020 00:32
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Avenir XP first of anything
This 20 xp is the first XP to be added to a rider during the XP calculation process
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