largely copied from roturn's 2019 thread/SN's 2018 thread:
Here's the usual thread to suggest for new riders to be added; or rider's stats to be modified, as the 2020 ManGame DB is created.
Young Riders
1998 is likely to the main year of interest, with some of the top talents from this year yet to be added to the game.
Riders from 1999 can be added too in some individual cases. So feel free to suggest them, but it may be that they are held off for another season. All riders born in 1999 that are added, will be limited in the 2020 season, such that they cannot develop beyond Level 2 in their first year.
1997 is the other year for which riders will be Avenir eligible.
No riders will be added from 2000 or later years.
Older Riders
Riders who are free agents, or part of disbanding teams, can have their stats adjusted - even if sometimes it is just in a minor way. (e.g. I've often boosted the Prologue stats of free agent Sprinters in the past)
Examples in the 1994-1997 range are of particular interest, as they can become 'talents' that are not Level 1, which allows more unique stat combinations.
Riders of 4.100 can be added or adjusted too. Mainly interested here in filling depth for countries, but all circumstances will be considered.
1988 or older are generally off limits, since these riders have already started decreasing now anyway. However, in special cases an exception may be made - for example, for riders without a Man-Game "history".
Stat Limits
We don't anticipate adding riders who will be dominant as soon as they are maxed, so additions are likely to be limited to 80/81 in their main stats in order to maintain balance in the DB. However, we will take the focuses of teams and future evolution of the DB into account when making additions, so all reasonable suggestions are welcome.
Realism
MG doesn't need to be 100% realistic on stats of riders. Real life results are a useful indicator, and many riders will tend to be aligned to that, but they are not a constraint.
Stat Gains
As you will see in the General Suggestions for 2020 thread, we are open to ideas for new stat gain categories. However, we ask that if you use a new category you're suggesting when displaying the maxed stats of a rider, that you also max them using existing categories in case the new category is not added.
Format
As usual, please post suggestions in the Table Format, using the template file to help: https://www.dropbox.com/s/twh1qwmhhqh...s.xls?dl=0
(Fill in the file, then copy it to the post, and put within the table tags)
Version of the rider at 4.100 and 1.0 are preferred too.
i.e.
ID
Surname
First name
Fl
Mo
Hl
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Cb
Sp
Ac
Ft
Dh
Pl
Nat.
Cont.
XP Level
XP Points
D
M
Year
Pot
5382
Areruya
Joseph
71
70
71
64
75
73
72
53
70
73
66
57
64
RWA
AF
1
0
15
3
1996
6
5382
Areruya
Joseph
72
79
79
65
78
78
79
53
70
80
75
60
65
RWA
AF
4
100
15
3
1996
6
(4.100 via the Climber v1 training)
Links to CQ and PCS are helpful. I've been finding https://firstcycling.com/ quite useful too. Not so-easily searchable, but a greater depth in races included.
Some suggestions from Norwegian and Danish cycling. Norwegian cycling is of course the one I'm following most closely, so I'm sure there are some other Danish riders that are worth suggesting.
The Norwegians first, and we start with a sprinter. Erlend Blikra was a huge talent early in his career and one of the best juniors in the world in the first half of his first junior year back in 2014. He has been struggling a lot with injuries, but we've always known he's fast. For many he is known as a great criterium racer and the guy that on a regular basis beat Alexander Kristoff in head to head sprints in training (they are both from the same city). Last year he managed to be more or less healthy the whole season, and he began to deliver some good results, most notably three stage wins in Dookola Mazowsza. He also got a pro contract with Uno-X before this season and started of with two wins already in March. Fast guy, and if he manages to have some seasons without injuries, this guy could be really good. And yes, he is the brother of Havard, who is already in the DB (now retired)!
We'll continue with another rider from Uno-X. Lars Saugstad has been with the team since the start in 2017. He's a strong roleur, and he also got a decent kick in a sprint. Saugstad is a typically Northern Classics kind of rider, which he has showed in the U23 version of Paris-Tours the last two years with 5th place in 2019 and 6th place in 2018.
We continue in the Uno-X team, and this time to the big surprise in Tour Colombia this year. Torstein Træen climbed close to the best Colombian climbers, and finished 9th in GC. Most impressive was the 5th place on the fourth stage, two seconds behind stage winner Sergio Higuita (Egan Bernal, Julian Alaphilippe and Daniel Martinez between Træen and Higuita). Last year he also won the Norwegian Cup. He's already in the DB, but think he could be in for a tiny upgrade.
Done with the Uno-X guys, now some guys from Team Coop. And we start with two TT guys. First out is Iver Johan Knotten. He had a great junior career, but struggled with a lot of sickness in his first two years as a senior. Last year he had to take the step down from Team Joker to a local team, but after a nose operation, he stayed healthy and delivered some great results. He was second in the ITT in the national championship, just beaten by Andreas Leknessund, and in front of Edvald Boasson Hagen. He also drove to a impressive 4th place in the U23 Euro ITT in Alkmaar later in the summer. He was again included for the U23 TT in the Worlds, where he was fighting for a medal before he had two mechanicals towards the end and had to finish on his spare bike (a road bike). He's a decent climber, so I would give him an okay MO stat, but that could also lead to another training path. Not quite sure who to fit him.
Next one is another TT specialist. Together with Knotten, Stein-Erik Eriksen joined Team Coop before this season. He rode for the Danish Continental Team Coloquick last year. 5th in national championship, and a guy who's on a good trajectory considering that he orginally was a cross country skiier.
Last new suggestion from Team Coop is Fredrik Dversnes. A versatile rider, who joined the team before the season. In Norway he has had a lot of attention after Covid-19 due to some long rides, most notably he did a 1005k rider without any sleep (38 hours included breaks). Not a flat ride either, just over 10k elevation. He normally goes well in short hills and he has a good sprint, and of course great stamina
The next rider just left Team Coop and is now a part of Team Joker. Håkon Lunder Aalrust has had a high star in the national team (U23) for several years due to his good allround qualities. He's had good results on several terrains and could be a valuable member of a team in the coming years.
Last Norwegian rider out is Ludvik Aspelund Holstad. Another versatile rider and an important part of the Norwegian team who led Tobias Foss to the win in Tour de l'Avenir.
Over to the Danish, though this guy has been riding for Team Coop the last years. Louis Bendixen has showed himself as a rider with a good sprint, who also can manage short hills and do good TTs.
We continue with Danish riders on Norwegian teams, this time over to the Uno-X team again. Frederik Rodenberg is both a good sprinter and a part of the Danish team that set a new world record on the 4k pursuit.
Also riding for Uno-X: Morten Hulgaard. Good TT, good on the hills and a decent sprint. This is a guy can do plenty and could have plenty of ways to develop.
And finally, the triple U23 champion: Mikkel Bjerg. The next big thing in Danish Cycling? As most know, he's a great TTer. Obviously a guy with a huge potential, and someone who could be one of the best TT riders in his generation.
Bored today, so here are some other suggestions. Didn't make it all the way through my list, so will edit in some climbers tomorrow if I get the time. Don't know all these riders by heart, so please feel free to discuss the suggestions!
First out is a rider in the DB. Andreas Stokbro is a Free Agent at the moment, and with his stats I understand why! This is a guy that deserves better, with a palmares that includes winning the U23 Tour of Flanders last year. Good punch and good on the cobbles.
The next rider is a bit older, but certainly deserves a place in the DB after the start he had this season. Gonzalo Serrano won a stage in Ruta del Sol, a stage that ended with a short uphill, and also rode very well in the Drome Classic, finishing sixth. Another rider with a good kick and good on the climbs, something his 8th place in Tour of Turkey last year shows.
The next rider is relatively new to the road. Johan Jacobs focused mostly on cyclocross early on his career, but was all in on the road last year. That resulted in a 2nd place in U23 Paris-Roubaix, 7th in U23 Tour of Flanders and a pro contract with Movistar. His father is from Belgium and he has been living in Belgium the last few years, and it's without doubt the Northern Classics he will be focusing on further on his career. Rode the Opening Weekend this year, finishing 27th in Omloop and 34th in Kuurne.
We continue to the mountains and the guy who won the first mountain stage in Tour de l'Avenir last year. Harold Tejada won the 7th stage, a few days after signing his first pro contract with Astana. As so many Colombians, Tejada is a good climber, but a bit below the level of Bernal, Lopez, Quintana etc.
A new Colombian following. Juan Diego Alba was amongst the Colombian trio playing around in the Baby-Giro last year, eventually finishing third behind two other Colombians. He also won a stage and has signed for Movistar for the next two years.
That was the riders born before 1998. Now the riders born in 1998, and we start off with Andreas Kron. I forgot him in my last post, but this Dane is of course also a rider that deserves a place in the DB. Many good qualities, but I'd say he's best on the shorter climbs. 5th place in Tour of Belgium and 5th in the RR for the U23s in Harrogate last year is his standout results. Also a rider that like to take his chances in a breakaway.
The next rider is a potential super star. Ethan Hayterhas had a great junior career and a great track career so far. Would have been one of the favourites in the U23 Worlds RR last year if he hadn't broken his collarbone in the Tour de l'Avenir, after winning a stage and earlier on winning two stages in the Baby Giro. He also finished 10th in RideLondon-Surrey Classic in between. He's obviously a fast rider, but also a good climber and can probably develop in many different ways. Not as big a talent as Tom Pidcock perhaps, but this guy has the potential to be really good.
We move to a real power house. Jonas Rutsch can do most, he even climbed pretty well in Tour Alsace last year. His future is probably in the Northern Classics though, something he showed by winning the U23 Gent-Wevelgem last year. He was also in the winning move in Omloop Het Nieuwsblad this year, before he had to let the group go after a mistake with his jacket. Standing 1.97 above the ground, this could be the new Stijn Vandenbergh.
We stick with the Northern guys, and in Belgium we have Jens Reynders. Both a fast guy and good on the cobbles, with 3rd place in U23 Paris-Roubaix and 3rd place in U23 Gent-Wevelgem last year. He also won GP Perenchies from a bunch sprint, a french race with a couple of cobbled sectors. Signed with Hagens Berman Axeon before this season.
A similar rider is David Dekker. And yes, he is the son of Erik Dekker. Kind of a breakthrough season last year, winning the Dutch U23 championship ahead of Nils Eekhoff. Got a contract with SEG Racing before this season and he opened with victory in Craft Ster van Zwolle, 3rd place in Le Samyn and victory in Dorpenomloop Ruchen before Covid-19 stopped the season. A proper fast guy and also with potential in the Northern Classics.
Riding together with Dekker in those three races, we have Jordi Meeus. Won Gooikse Pijl ahead of Amund Grøndahl Jansen in a sprint back in 2018 and has delivered plenty of good results since. He will probably not be a super star, but he has the potential to be a valuable member of a squad on the highest level or a leader further down.
And now, the winner* of the U23 World Championships last year. Yes, he got DQed, but Nils Eekhoff really should have been the winner, shouldn't he? Another big, strong guy, who's primarly known as a good sprinter. The race in Harrogate also showed that he has the attributes to do well in tough one day races as well. Won U23 Paris-Roubaix in 2017, but might actually be a better hilly rider than cobbles rider.
More sprinters: Last year two of the biggest sprint talents were team mates. They have now both left SEG Academy Racing to race in the WorldTour and it was no surprise that Kaden Groves signed for Mitchelton-Scott. He's the next in line in a great Australian sprint tradition, and much like Caleb Ewan, he's also decent on the shorter climbs. Already two wins this season in Herald Sun Tour, and he also managed a sixth place on stage four in UAE Tour, mixing it up with likes of Bennett, Demare, Gaviria, Ewan, Ackermann etc.
And of course we have to mention his former team mate, Alberto Dainese. The Italian joined SEG in september 2018 after a good season and quickly made a name for himself with a string of good result, including winning the bunch sprint for 6th place in Gooikse Pijl ahead of Dylan Groenewegen. Last year he managed seven victories, including three stage victories in Tour de Bretagne and the European U23 championship. He also finished second in Gooikse Pijl, this time beaten by Pascal Ackermann. He signed for Sunweb before this season and has already managed some good results, including 3rd place in Race Torquay behind Sam Bennett and Giacomo Nizzolo. Fast, fast guy!
While it's clear that Dainese is a sprinter, how the next guy will develop is not so clear. Robert Stannard has good results from all sorts of terrain from the U23 level and while he waits for his breakthrough results amongst the pros, he was given the chance to race Sanremo, Flanders and Roubaix in his first pro season last year. Still only 21 years old, he was again a part of the Mitchelton-Scott squad in the Opening Weekend, taking home a 14th place from Kuurne-Brussels-Kuurne. He can climb well, both short and longer climbs, and he also has a relatively good sprint.
From Australia to USA, and from Stannard to Ian Garrison. The 22 year old won the US National ITT Championship last year, and also took silver in rather wet ITT for the U23s in Harrogate. Good allrounder, but especially a good TTer.
The next rider is also a good TTer, but Brent Van Moer is also a very good allrounder. Van Moer has a silver medal from the Worlds U23 ITT in 2018, 5th place in same ITT last year, 7th in Tour of Denmark last year, 6th in U23 Paris-Roubaix and 9th in U23 Tour of Flanders. A new kind of Fabian rider? Perhaps?
Now to the actual winner of the U23 RR in Harrogate. Samuele Battistella was the guy who in the end took the win on the tough course. The Italian couldn't beat Eekhoff in the sprint, but he showed that he has a good kick. Weeks prior he had also climbed to 11th place in GC in Tour de l'Avenir - after cracking on the last stage - so he's also a good climber.
We stick to the Europeans and travel to France to find Alexys Brunel. As a junior he was a top TTer, and after doing well in the Northern Classics on U23 level in his first senior year, he has gradually become a rider for the more hilly terrain. He started this season brilliantly, winning the first stage in Etoile de Bessèges and finishing 3rd in GC. Likes a little attack as well.
Time for the real mountains, and the newest French hope. Clement Champoussin is a typically French rider in many ways. Always aggressive (a lot like Sicard in MG TdF this year) and enjoys himself in the long climbs. 4th in Avenir last year and now pro with Ag2R. Like his leader Bardet, he's not really a good TTer.
The next rider also turned pro this year. Felix Gall had an impressive 2018 and started of last season by winning Istrian Spring Trophy. Unfortunately he struggled with his health for most part of the season, but at his best, he's a good climber.
ID
Surname
First name
Fl
Mo
Hl
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Cb
Sp
Ac
Ft
Dh
Pl
Nat.
Cont.
XP Level
XP Points
D
M
Year
Pot
XXX
Gall
Felix
68
67
67
66
68
68
69
57
61
65
67
68
66
AUT
EU
1
0
27
2
1998
5
XXX
Gall
Felix
71
76
72
73
75
73
76
57
61
66
68
69
73
AUT
EU
4
100
27
2
1998
5
XXX
Gall
Felix
69
76
75
67
71
72
76
57
61
72
75
69
67
AUT
EU
4
100
27
2
1998
5
Stat gains: Stage Race, Climberv1
While Tadej Pogacar probably stands as the biggest name from the 1998 generation so far, Brandon McNulty was the big star in the junior years. Especially his first year as a junior, when he and Adrien Costa ripped all competition apart. He's still a great rider though, with two WC medals from U23 level. Turned pro with UAE this year, and have already impressed with 4th place in Vuelta a San Juan and 7th place in Ruta del Sol.
Back to Colombia! Einer Augusto Rubio finished second in the Baby Giro last year, and looks like an exciting prospect. Not as good as 99 model Andres Ardila (Baby Giro winner), but behind the established pros from Colombia, this guy is one of biggest talents. Turned pro with Movistar this season.
We stay in South America for the next rider. Ricard Carapaz has made a big name for himself, and last year we also had a little breakthrough for Jefferson Alexander Cepeda (not Jefferson Alveiro Cepeda, which is his cousin). The Ecuadorian won the last stage in the Tour de l'Avenir, and also finished 9th in GC. He's not done much racing in Europe, but he signed with Androni for four years prior to this season. And when Gianni Savio signs such a long deal, it usually suggests that he has found gold.
While Carapaz is the biggest cycling star in Ecuador, Andrey Amador surely holds the same position in Costa Rica. But Kevin Rivera might be able to take his role in a few years time. He was heavily linked with Team Ineos last year, but he's still contracted to Androni. Won Sibiu Cycling Tour and finished 9th in Milano-Torino last year.
Back to Europe again, and a very exciting Hungarian duo. First out is Attila Valter, probably most known as the guy who fell in the U23 ITT in the Worlds last year, sliding down something like 100 meters. He's also a pretty good cyclist, who won the 9th stage in Avenir last year and finished third in Tour of Hungary. Turned pro with CCC this year.
Hungarian number two is of course Barnabas Peak. Turned pro with Mitchelton-Scott this year. I would say he's not as good as Valter, but in general a promising rider.
The next rider is more of a pure climber. Michel Ries won a stage in Aosta last year, and finished second on two stages in Avenir, eventually finishing in 7th place. Mini-Schleck.
Last one out is a good climber allrounder, and looks like a guy that can do many different things. Stefan Bisegger finished second in the Peace Race, third in the Euros U23 ITT, seventh in the Euros U23 RR, won a stage in Tour de l'Avenir and finished second in the Worlds U23 RR. Good on the climbs and a good kick.
I like a lot of the proposals made by tastasol, and have some additions regarding Danish riders particularly. First of all, we have Rasmus Iversen who went under the radar while primarily riding in amateur races in Italy, but with an impressive seven wins in 2018 he was signed by Lotto-Soudal. It doesn't seem right to have a member of the WT not represented in the DB, especially one so young. I'm far from a cycling expert, so his stats are based on Lotto-Soudal's presentation of him as a time trialist who dreams of classics races. Nothing too impressive, but might be useful as a domestique.
ID
Surname
First name
Fl
Mo
Hl
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Cb
Sp
Ac
Ft
Dh
Pl
Nat.
Cont.
XP Level
XP Points
D
M
Year
Pot
XXX
Iversen
Rasmus
70
65
67
69
67
66
68
68
64
68
66
65
67
DEN
EU
1
0
16
9
1997
4
XXX
Iversen
Rasmus
73
68
75
70
74
70
71
68
65
73
72
66
68
DEN
EU
4
100
16
9
1997
4
XXX
Iversen
Rasmus
71
72
72
76
72
71
75
68
64
69
67
65
74
DEN
EU
4
100
16
9
1997
4
XXX
Iversen
Rasmus
75
65
72
69
72
69
71
75
64
68
71
66
67
DEN
EU
4
100
16
9
1997
4
w/ Hill, Stage Racer, Classics
Then, there are a couple of alteration to riders already on the database, mostly bringing older riders up to speed, giving them an opportunity at an actual career. For the most part, these will be minor domestiques, with the only notable rider being Alexander Kamp, made here into a decent puncheur lieutenant that takes advantage of longer climbs, and possesses a good sprint. Keeping in mind the development of comparable riders, those from 1993 and earlier have been maxed out, while the class of 1994 has been limited to 4.00 in order to keep them in line with there employed cohort.
First of all, thank you for all those contributions tastasol!
I only have a couple of comments, and a few more additions at a later point.
tastasol wrote:
We move to a real power house. Jonas Rutsch can do most, he even climbed pretty well in Tour Alsace last year. His future is probably in the Northern Classics though, something he showed by winning the U23 Gent-Wevelgem last year. He was also in the winning move in Omloop Het Nieuwsblad this year, before he had to let the group go after a mistake with his jacket. Standing 1.97 above the ground, this could be the new Stijn Vandenbergh.
I'd actually say Rutsch deserves to max at up to 66/67MO without having to develop him there. Second at Lac Blanc really can't be underestimated, and even 15th at Planche the day before would justify it already looking at the opposition.
Also, since classics training will not be very juicy if we keep such low sprint, I'd consider a slight HIL and ACC increase too. He's really quite punchy.
tastasol wrote:
Last one out is a good climber allrounder, and looks like a guy that can do many different things. Stefan Bisegger finished second in the Peace Race, third in the Euros U23 ITT, seventh in the Euros U23 RR, won a stage in Tour de l'Avenir and finished second in the Worlds U23 RR. Good on the climbs and a good kick.
I think we have an extremely rare opportunity with Bissegger, and I don't see him excel at the same things you do.
I believe Bissegger might be our biggest and maybe only ever chance to add a rider who actually benefits from Track-TT or Track-Sprint by allowing him to max in the 78-80 region at both TT and Sprint, and nearly at the same time.
Basically, think what if Kittel had retained his world class TTing from the juniors.
He's definitely a little bit less of a climber/puncheur than you present him as (even though he certainly deserves to max out at 70+ in both if invested in a little), and more a strongman TTer/Sprinter.
He won decently contested bunch sprints last season against the likes of Manzin (https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x79...eo/x7990mf <- worth a watch, a Cancellara style approach to the sprint, but with the actual sprint speed to keep it up and win) and Archbold, and being two seconds off Bjerg in the Euro TT should say enough. The Worlds TT was weird anyway.
Just a quick idea how my suggestion might be able to be implemented in the game:
ID
Surname
First name
Fl
Mo
Hl
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Cb
Sp
Ac
Ft
Dh
Pl
Nat.
Cont.
XP Level
XP Points
D
M
Year
Pot
XXX
Bisegger
Stefan
69
66
68
72
68
71
62
64
72
72
66
70
72
SWI
EU
1
0
13
9
1998
4
XXX
Bisegger
Stefan
76
66
70
73
69
75
73
64
79
79
66
71
79
SWI
EU
4
100
13
9
1998
4
XXX
Bisegger
Stefan
76
66
70
79
73
75
74
64
77
75
66
71
79
SWI
EU
4
100
13
9
1998
4
XXX
Bisegger
Stefan
70
73
74
79
73
75
69
64
72
73
67
70
79
SWI
EU
4
100
13
9
1998
4
Stat Gains: Track-Sprint, Track-TT, Stage Racer
Edited by cio93 on 16-06-2020 14:23
It's come to my attention I was using the wrong database, and some of these riders (read: many) are no longer free agents. I'll go over the actual database, and fix this up at some point.
Yeah, I think you have some good point there, cio. Wasn't really sure what to do about Rutsch and his climbing skills, but he's obviously very versatile and could certainly have a bit more MO/hill and still have the Northern Classics as his future career path.
I checked up most of the riders to see what they say about their own future, but forgot to do it with Bissegger. I remember his mostly for the Peace Race, which was won by Leknessund after an impressive solo win on the last stage, but given that he was introduced by EF as a sprinter/TT-guy, you are certainly right. Extremly exiciting rider.
Seeing as the Danish talents are generally taken care of, I've decided to scrap the bottom of the barrel and try to find some Curacao talents, as futile as it might be.
First we have Gyasi Sulvaran. He is the current national champion in both the Road Race and the Time Trial. According to PCS the RR was quite a dominating solo win in an obviously small field. Based on Curacao's terrain, I'm guessing the routes were lumpy? Admittedly I don't really know anything else about him, but I found his old Facebook page.
So my thought is that he's an all around fighter type who loves to attack and ride alone, and can kind of TT. His weaknesses are stamina and recovery since he has not ridden many long classics or stage races. He'll be 26 for the 2020 season, but I'm suggesting him at 3.0 . He could be added at 4.0 too, especially if you want to force people to pick fighter on him (Hilly TT would be tempting otherwise if that gets added), but I see him as more of a grinder/all rounder. A broadened fighter category would work ever better than this.
Last
First
Fl
Mt
Hi
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Co
Sp
Ac
Fi
Dh
Pr
Nat
Train
XP Level
XP Points
D
M
Y
Pot
Sulvaran
Gyasi
71
68
72
71
65
75
63
54
65
72
76
67
72
CUR
N/A
3
0
12
1
1994
2
Sulvaran
Gyasi
74
68
73
71
67
77
64
54
66
75
79
68
72
CUR
Fight
4
Max
12
1
1994
2
My next two are guys who are already in the DB, but are beyond useless. I'm suggesting a stat overhaul for both of them. I know I'm usually against upping existing riders, but in this case I feel it's really just adding new older riders. These guys have never ridden a race in the MG and just make the most sense for their country.
First, let's talk about Bryan van Rutten. His only 2019 results I can find were in the 2.2 Grand Prix Chantal Biya. He finished 6th overall, finishing in the top 10 of several sprints and always being in the first group of the most flat courses. He will be 27 in December. These are his current stats, and what he'd look like maxed - which is basically impossible since he wouldn't do it till 30, probably 31.
He becomes a sprinter/cobbler with good acceleration, which is fine, but he's obviously not getting a contract even on the amateur level, ever, especially having to go through 3-4 years for two seasons max. Since he's a late December birthday, he'll be 27 in 2020. I'd up him to 4.0 and see these stat changes. I'm not buffing him a ton, mostly just leveling him up and tweaking some things. I've also changed him to potential 3 so that the sprint vs. cobble training is actually a legitimate choice. Otherwise it's clearly a sprint situation, and imo it's still a bit lopsided.
Last
First
Fl
Mt
Hi
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Co
Sp
Ac
Fi
Dh
Pr
Nat
Train
XP Level
XP Points
D
M
Y
Pot
Van Rutten
Bryan
72
56
63
63
74
67
70
72
72
75
67
74
64
CUR
2020
4
0
28
12
1993
3
Van Rutten
Bryan
73
56
63
63
75
67
71
73
74
77
67
74
64
CUR
Spr
4
Max
28
12
1993
3
Van Rutten
Bryan
73
56
63
63
75
68
70
74
73
75
67
74
64
CUR
Cob
4
Max
28
12
1993
3
Finally, let's move on to Hillard Cijntje. He's also already in the DB. He's had some top 10's in various regional Carribean/Latin American championships the last couple of years. I've once again found a little Facebook blog of his, and he has pictures of himself on a podium! He was apparently the U23 Carribean TT Champion, and has also done some track cycling. It also seems he might actually race for Aruba now, but don't mind that.
Here are his current stats. He's a pure sprinter, and I've maxed him out as such. Again, he can't actually really max right now cause of how old he is.
Last
First
Fl
Mt
Hi
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Co
Sp
Ac
Fi
Dh
Pr
Nat
Train
XP Level
XP Points
D
M
Y
Pot
Cijntje
Hillard
66
52
55
62
67
61
67
52
69
68
71
64
62
CUR
2019
1
0
22
6
1992
4
Cijntje
Hillard
73
52
56
62
72
62
79
57
76
75
71
65
62
CUR
Spr
4
Max
22
6
1992
4
As you can see, he's just a random, weak pure sprinter that's wasting away. I think it'd be cooler to make him a track sprinter after seeing those forgotten results on his Facebook page, and just to have a unique rider. Because he'll be 28 next year, he could be added as maxed. However, I'm gonna assume he's 4.0 here just for the hell of it.
Last
First
Fl
Mt
Hi
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Co
Sp
Ac
Fi
Dh
Pr
Nat
Train
XP Level
XP Points
D
M
Y
Pot
Cijntje
Hillard
73
52
56
73
69
73
68
52
74
74
73
64
75
CUR
2020
4
0
22
6
1992
4
Cijntje
Hillard
75
52
56
73
69
74
76
52
76
76
73
64
77
CUR
T-Spr
4
Max
22
6
1992
4
Cijntje
Hillard
75
52
56
75
70
75
73
52
75
75
73
64
77
CUR
T-TT
4
Max
22
6
1992
4
He becomes a a prologue/leadout type rider who still is very limited by his lack of climbing in this game engine. Of course, eh could be nerfed a little if he is still too strong.
That's what I got right now. Not trying to make Curacao the next big thing, just trying to make some viable riders there. IMO it makes sense in the MG universe that De Maar's success would have helped more talent surface there.
Edited by baseballlover312 on 20-06-2020 23:28
RIP Exxon Duke, David Veilleux, Double Feature, and Monster Energy
I know Croatia probably has the Slovenian and other Balcan riders pretty much set, but I'll just add my own 2 cents here
The 1999 class is slightly stronger and deeper than 1998, but I'm posting both just in case someone from 1999 does get added.
ID
Surname
First name
Fl
Mo
Hl
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Cb
Sp
Ac
Ft
Dh
Pl
Nat.
Cont.
XP Level
XP Points
D
M
Year
Pot
X
Lavric
Martin
65
67
67
61
68
67
67
53
65
71
73
67
61
SLO
EU
1
0
28
11
1998
4
X
Lavric
Martin
68
70
75
62
75
71
70
53
66
76
78
68
62
SLO
EU
4
100
28
11
1998
4
X
Lavric
Martin
66
74
74
61
69
71
72
53
65
78
80
68
61
SLO
EU
4
100
28
11
1998
4
X
Lavric
Martin
66
75
70
61
74
74
71
53
65
75
78
75
61
SLO
EU
4
100
28
11
1998
4
First up is Martin Lavric who is in his 2nd season at Dimension Data for Qhubeka or as it's now called NTT Continental Cycling Team. He was a part of a Zwift competition by the team and along with the other finalists got invited to the World Tour team's HQ. From there he impressed enough to get a spot on the CT team.
He's a climber/puncheur with his best skill being his fighting spirit and kick.
Jaka Primozic has actually been around for a while, racing against pro's since 2015. In that time he has won a lot of smaller races, mostly stage races, but has also scored some solid results in one day races.
Another climber/puncheur with some stage race potential as well.
Stat gains: Fighter, Stage Race, Hills, Climber v1, Climber v2
The current Serbian ITT champion. A pretty straight forward rider focusing on his TT skills, with some ability to get over shallower climbs, opening up some stage race possibilities. No much acceleration to him though.
Filip Kvasina is a bog-standard sprinter. He has a solid flat stat along with his top end speed to become either a CT level sprinter or leadout rider. His best result is winning a stage in the Carpathian Couriers Race in 2018.
Nik Cemazar is a solid all around rider. He can ride similarly well on the flat or uphill and is no stranger to the TT bike. He's often part of long breakaways, fighting all out until getting caught by the peloton. With those skills he can develop either as a breakaway rider or a more rounded domestique.
Aljaz Jarc has been with Adria Mobil since 2018. He's a tall rider, showing his strength on the flat roads. You'll usually spot him at the front of the peloton chasing down the breakaway for a sprint finish. He has shown some abilities on the cobbles also, opening up a more classics development path.
Kristjan Hocevar is a bit more of a mystery. His physique would suggest he is a climber, but he has also shown an ability to sprint, especially out of smaller groups, like in some one day races. He might be best described as a hilly sprinter, but could also make the grade as a climber/puncheur.
Stat gains: Hills, Sprinter, Climber v1, Track-Sprint
I've described some of the riders as all arounders, but Luka Sagadin is just that. A true jack of all trades, but master of none. That opens up a lot development possibilities, but whichever way, he should become a solid domestique, especially in one day races.
Stat gains: Fighter, Hills, Sprinter, Cobbles, Classics, Climber v1
The current Serbian ITT runner up. A year younger than Ilic, Stojnic is a pure time-trialist who can really ride on the flat. Riding for ProTeam Vini Zabù - KTM this year, he was present at the UAE Tour before it got cut short by the pandemic. He was in the breakaway in 3/5 stages, gathering points on intermediate sprints to eventually finish the race 2nd in the points classification.
Georgian youngsters IRL who have done anything at all are way too young for the database, and I dont feel confortable asking to edit maxed out riders so Ill just repost this. Feel free to make them better.
quadsas wrote:
knockout also sent me suggested stats for Rojus Adomaitis, so I'll just post them here (with a little bit embelishment , cause by the time he will be maxed, Kruopis will be in steep decline)
Surname
First name
Fl
Mo
Hl
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Cb
Sp
Ac
Ft
Dh
Pl
Nat.
Cont.
XP Level
XP Points
Year
Pot
Adomaitis
Rojus
68
59
66
66
63
67
64
57
70
71
60
63
68
LTU
EU
0
0
1998
5
Adomaitis
Rojus
75
59
67
67
66
74
68
57
79
78
60
64
75
LTU
EU
4
100
1998
5
he could be made into a very strong baroudeur, since he could keep up with Navardauskas during NC and some tours he raced with him last year, but he is a track sprinter IRL so these stats would make more sense I guess
Lithuania hasn't had a stage racer since Dopendas Rumsas, why not throw us a bone. In his current state he will definitely be fired and never signed again.
ID
Surname
First name
Fl
Mo
Hl
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Cb
Sp
Ac
Ft
Dh
Pl
Nat.
Cont.
XP Level
XP Points
Year
Pot
1153
Lasinis
Venantas
63
66
64
66
62
66
62
56
59
62
62
63
57
LTU
EU
2
x
1997
5
Current
1153
Lasinis
Venantas
65
70
68
70
64
66
65
56
59
66
65
66
64
LTU
EU
2
x
1997
5
Improved
1153
Lasinis
Venantas
68
77
72
76
70
70
71
56
59
67
66
67
70
LTU
EU
4
100
1997
5
Stage Race
I like Gembeckas, I wish I had signed him full time instead of Lasinis, but just a slight buff to acceleration and potential upgrade from 3 to 4 would be great
Looked up some Asian riders. I probably rated some of them a little bit too high but figured I should rate them the way so I would consider signing them.
Lyu: I think he should be the biggest Asian talent added this year. If it is possible he could even get a higher rating. He had great results from early on. He started as a mountain biker and won as a 19 year old the Asian championships there. Afterwards he switched to the road and achieved good results right away. https://www.uci.org/road/news/2019/ly...revelation
Chaiyasombat: He is the best Thai talent in the long time. He seems to be a good stage racer, best result a 16th place at the Tour de Langkawi finishing ahead of Kevin Rivera for example. In my opinion he should be the best Thai rider once he maxes. Would be cool if he could be added this year already.
Yoeun: As there is a Cambodian CT team now I figured I should suggest someone from it, but unfortunately the Cambodian riders haven't raced much pre Corona break. Best option was him, who could be turned into a decent sprinter.
Quita: Won a flat stage this year in what seems to be from a break. Also hold on quite good in stages with a tougher profile. I think he could be added as a good allround breakaway specialist.
Chen: Gets his best results in sprint stages but also not too far behind on more difficult stages. He was on the startline at the Gravel and Tar Classic this year so I figured he could also deserve a decent cobbles stat.
Jurado: Good timetrialist, got his best result at the Tour de Rwanda this year, where he was 8th on the time trial over the cobbled hill in Kigali. Should be someone for the Fabian category.
I think Mongolia needs some stronger options, as we also have a team focused there. I made two suggestions. Batsaikhan: Good sprinting talent. Even if he is not contesting the sprint he is always close to the front of the field, so gave him good flat and energy stats. Even though the stats I suggest might seem a little bit strong, I think he would be a good addition like I suggested, as it would be a good base for training.
Iderbold: Looking at it now, don't know why I put him down as a climber, should probably be a sprinter but don't want to change it now.
Jetsada: Got a good result in a sprint earlier this year and seems to be doing decent in tougher flat races, but drops once the road rises. I could need a domestic with a stat line like this.
Angsuthasawit: First Thai rider to win a Asian championship in track cycling when he won the 2018 Asian. A year later he won the overall World Cup standings in Keirin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019–..._World_Cup Ulysbayev: Climbing talent coming through Vino's team Mikayilzade: Good timetrialist from Azerbaijan, who also seems to do quite well in hilly races. Although usually finishes at the end of the group so shouldn't get a good sprint or acc. Alkhalifah: At the moment he is a climbing talent in the db, but his best result suggests he is more of a sprinter that survives some hills. Also he is one of his countries best timetrialists allowing him to start at the world championships already twice(but finishing far back). I think being decent in multiple disciplines but not extraordinary in any would be fair.
Taken a quick glance at some of the tertiary markets and looking to slip in a couple of riders from them. Not sure what the correct code for Ghana was, so I've just used GHA here. Shouldn't be too overpowered, but nice enough as domestiques and maybe a singular CT leader in Gonzalez Zentono.
Guess it's too late for big names that weren't in that Skype list but will copy my Stannard suggestion from last year anyway in the spoiler
Spoiler
/Robert Stannard is one of the brightest talents around on the second level below the obvious Bernals and Philipsens, and is extremely versatile, with great results in hilly to medium mountain races as well as in sprints, and also doing very well in semicobbled races, no slouch in the higher mountains as scene with a very good top 20 finish in a TDS stage, and not to mention winning TTs on the U23 scene, there's really nothing he can't do. Born an Aussie, raised and raced a Kiwi but switched licenses a couple of years ago due to the superior system in Australia. May need a -1MO if that CV1 looks too good.
ID
Surname
First
Fl
Mo
Hl
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Cb
Sp
Ac
Ft
Dh
Pl
Nat.
Co.
XP
XP
D
M
Year
Pot
Stannard
Robert
71
67
70
68
71
71
66
67
70
71
64
65
70
AUS
OC
1
0
16
9
98
6
Stannard
Robert
74
71
79
69
79
75
70
67
73
79
71
69
71
AUS
OC
4
x
HI
6
Stannard
Robert
72
76
78
69
74
76
73
67
70
78
73
68
71
AUS
OC
4
x
C1
6
Stannard
Robert
78
67
73
68
79
78
76
76
77
72
65
66
70
AUS
OC
4
x
CB
6
Stannard
Robert
74
76
75
75
78
78
75
67
70
74
65
66
77
AUS
OC
4
x
SR
6
Stannard
Robert
78
67
73
68
78
74
81
72
79
79
64
66
70
AUS
OC
4
x
SP
6
Stannard
Robert
78
67
75
68
78
76
69
75
70
72
72
68
70
AUS
OC
4
x
CL
6
Stannard
Robert
74
76
74
68
79
80
70
67
70
75
69
74
70
AUS
OC
4
x
C2
6
Stannard
Robert
78
68
73
77
78
80
73
67
70
71
69
66
79
AUS
OC
4
x
TT
6
Stannard
Robert
78
67
73
75
79
78
69
76
70
72
65
66
77
AUS
OC
4
x
FA
6
Stannard
Robert
80
67
73
69
78
76
69
70
74
79
73
68
71
AUS
OC
4
x
FT
6
Stannard
Robert
78
67
73
69
74
78
81
67
79
79
64
66
78
AUS
OC
4
x
TS
6
Stannard
Robert
78
67
71
77
78
79
73
67
75
74
64
66
79
AUS
OC
4
x
TR
6
Kees Duyvesteyn is a solid young New Zealand puncheur with a decent TT on him as well as solid-ish over long climbs and with accelerations for attacking and KoM sprints. Not going to set the world on fire at all but could be a good domestique in hills, TTT and even MO if you want to spread him out more. Designed for the proposed new HSR category but as seen would work with others.
ID
Surname
First
Fl
Mo
Hl
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Cb
Sp
Ac
Ft
Dh
Pl
Nat.
Cont.
XP Level
XP Points
D
M
Year
Pot
Duyvesteyn
Kees
72
66
69
68
69
69
60
53
64
69
74
72
67
NZL
OC
1
0
19
5
1998
3
HSR
Duyvesteyn
Kees
73
69
76
73
74
74
67
53
64
70
74
72
72
NZL
OC
4
100
19
5
1998
3
SR
Duyvesteyn
Kees
73
73
72
73
74
74
67
53
64
70
74
72
72
NZL
OC
4
100
19
5
1998
3
HI
Duyvesteyn
Kees
73
69
76
68
74
72
63
53
65
74
78
73
67
NZL
OC
4
100
19
5
1998
3
CV1
Duyvesteyn
Kees
72
73
73
68
70
73
65
53
64
74
81
73
67
NZL
OC
4
100
19
5
1998
3
/Connor Brown is a good puncheur and on longer climbs too, but seems to show a solid amount of potential in TTs and although this may not fit him perfectly I thought that would be an interesting focus for him. Shown good potential as a top 30 finisher on the U23 Italian circuit as well as strong showings in South Africa Has raced on a New Zealand license until this last year when he moved to DiDa CT and went for RSA, but switched back to NZ for 2020 and is currently under that license. Shown a good kick in escape groups before and actually last year I suggested him as a puncheur with 70SP but taken him down for TT reasons and could be taken down even further to make him less good.
ID
Surname
First
Fl
Mo
Hl
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Cb
Sp
Ac
Ft
Dh
Pl
Nat.
Cont.
XP Level
XP Points
D
M
Year
Pot
Brown
Connor
72
67
66
70
67
70
67
56
68
72
58
71
68
NZL
OC
1
0
6
8
1998
2
SR
Brown
Connor
73
74
71
77
72
75
74
56
68
73
59
71
75
NZL
OC
4
100
6
8
1998
4
CV1
Brown
Connor
73
74
73
70
68
74
72
56
68
79
65
72
68
NZL
OC
4
100
6
8
1998
4
CV2
Brown
Connor
73
75
69
70
73
77
71
56
68
76
63
79
68
NZL
OC
4
100
6
8
1998
4
TT
Brown
Connor
79
68
69
77
72
77
72
56
68
72
63
71
75
NZL
OC
4
100
6
8
1998
4
HSR
Brown
Connor
73
72
73
77
72
75
74
56
68
73
58
71
75
NZL
OC
4
100
6
8
1998
4
Campbell Stewart is yet another top-level NZ track cyclist who has been dabbling more and more with the road and if his potential there translates to the tarmac then he's a great sprinter and prologueist (and even not a bad longer TT) who has shown in his road racing appearances he's no slouch on the hills either.
ID
Surname
First
Fl
Mo
Hl
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Cb
Sp
Ac
Ft
Dh
Pl
Nat.
Cont.
XP Level
XP Points
D
M
Year
Pot
Stewart
Campbell
71
65
66
66
73
69
64
59
67
70
65
65
71
NZL
OC
1
0
12
5
1998
6
Stewart
Campbell
78
65
69
67
76
76
76
59
76
78
65
66
79
NZL
OC
4
100
12
5
1998
6
Byron Munton has shown great TT skills on the African and the European scenes as well as decent performances in the climbing road races.
ID
Surname
First
Fl
Mo
Hl
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Cb
Sp
Ac
Ft
Dh
Pl
Nat.
Cont.
XP Level
XP Points
D
M
Year
Pot
Munton
Byron
67
66
64
70
68
68
72
54
56
66
66
72
70
RSA
AF
1
0
12
12
1998
3
TT
Munton
Byron
72
66
65
77
73
75
77
54
56
66
69
72
77
RSA
AF
4
100
12
12
1998
3
SR
Munton
Byron
68
73
67
75
73
73
79
54
56
67
66
72
75
RSA
AF
4
100
12
12
1998
3
Bachirou Nikiema has proved himself in East African stage races to be quite the threat in a sprint with some solid hilly and cobbled (I'm assuming MG hasn't been lying to me about the nature of Tour du Faso ) performances too, and with him being a 97 and able to start at L3 there's a cool opportunity to make him an all-around sprinter, albeit just a leadout with his max stats. And with the iconic Tour du Faso Burkina Faso should have a rider to compete there
ID
Surname
First
Fl
Mo
Hl
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Cb
Sp
Ac
Ft
Dh
Pl
Nat.
Cont.
XP Level
XP Points
D
M
Year
Pot
Nikiema
Bachirou
69
65
72
54
72
73
67
69
74
75
66
74
61
BKF
AF
3
0
21
1
1997
1
Nikiema
Bachirou
72
65
72
54
74
73
76
71
77
78
66
74
61
BKF
AF
4
100
21
1
1997
1
Louis Visser is a promising young all-arounder and although he could be added better in one or two specialisations I thought he'd be a cool proposition for FighterV2. He may look to have too much potential with being so all-around but he wouldn't get above 75 in any main stat and I believe this is probably the coolest way to train him so I don't see his all-around nature being a problem of having a loophole given him being Pot1
ID
Surname
First
Fl
Mo
Hl
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Cb
Sp
Ac
Ft
Dh
Pl
Nat.
Cont.
XP Level
XP Points
D
M
Year
Pot
Visser
Louis
70
63
70
69
73
73
70
67
64
70
74
69
67
RSA
AF
4
100
28
9
1998
1
Visser
Louis
74
66
73
70
74
74
73
70
67
73
78
70
68
RSA
AF
4
100
28
9
1998
1
I was browsing through the DB (cannot confirm or deny if it was planning-related ) and noticed that we don't have many good Ethiopians in the db outside of Grmay. I think it would be cool to have another signable one as some other countries like CAF do (though Hailemichael next year will also fit the bill but as a talent). Theres barely any info on Henok Tesfaye other than him being a former runner who apparently quit running in 2010. Born in the mountains of Ethiopia, he can survive high altitudes better than most and he has a high power and speed resistance (flat/res stats) from his running days.
Byron Munton has shown great TT skills on the African and the European scenes as well as decent performances in the climbing road races.
ID
Surname
First
Fl
Mo
Hl
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Cb
Sp
Ac
Ft
Dh
Pl
Nat.
Cont.
XP Level
XP Points
D
M
Year
Pot
SR
Munton
Byron
68
73
67
75
73
73
79
54
56
67
66
72
75
RSA
AF
4
100
12
12
1998
3
Louis Visser is a promising young all-arounder and although he could be added better in one or two specialisations I thought he'd be a cool proposition for FighterV2. He may look to have too much potential with being so all-around but he wouldn't get above 75 in any main stat and I believe this is probably the coolest way to train him so I don't see his all-around nature being a problem of having a loophole given him being Pot1
ID
Surname
First
Fl
Mo
Hl
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Cb
Sp
Ac
Ft
Dh
Pl
Nat.
Cont.
XP Level
XP Points
D
M
Year
Pot
Visser
Louis
70
63
70
69
73
73
70
67
64
70
74
69
67
RSA
AF
4
100
28
9
1998
1
Visser
Louis
74
66
73
70
74
74
73
70
67
73
78
70
68
RSA
AF
4
100
28
9
1998
1
Both these guys are very good friends of mine, I'd like to elaborate on them a bit more:
Byron - SUPER strong rider and has a ridiculously good TT ability (8th at WC, but he wasn't on his best form). He is also a really good climber (more for the mountains than punchy climbs) and has come a long way since we raced together last in 2017/2018. Byron is more than capable of riding in PCT or higher - but he lacks the race craft. He wastes a lot of energy and tends to burn matches way too early. Loves a breakaway, but not a great descender tbh. For what it's worth, I know Byron has ridiculously good test results (best 20min, VO2Max, etc) which is displayed in his TT ability. Just needs to mature a bit and needs a team to help with that. Call me a fan boy, but one day I'll quote this post and be like "I told you so".
ID
Surname
First
Fl
Mo
Hl
TT
St
Rs
Rc
Cb
Sp
Ac
Ft
Dh
Pl
Nat.
Cont.
XP Level
XP Points
D
M
Year
Pot
SR
Munton
Byron
68
76
73
79
73
78
75
54
56
63
75
63
77
RSA
AF
4
100
12
12
1998
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Louis - Hard as nails. Definitely a fighter (and a joker off the bike). He's only just taller than me at about 170cm, but damn he can packs a quick bunch kick (how he won SA u23 champs). He got dealt a bad hand at DiData conti because was an ultimate workhorse for them and got dropped last minute. Good on the flats and can get over most small hills.
Gyasi Sulvaran. He is the current national champion in both the Road Race and the Time Trial. According to PCS the RR was quite a dominating solo win in an obviously small field. Based on Curacao's terrain, I'm guessing the routes were lumpy? Admittedly I don't really know anything else about him, but I found his old Facebook page. 
, cause by the time he will be maxed, Kruopis will be in steep decline)
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Henok Tesfaye other than him being a former runner who apparently quit running in 2010. Born in the mountains of Ethiopia, he can survive high altitudes better than most and he has a high power and speed resistance (flat/res stats) from his running days.
