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PT Rankings Update #6
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| roturn |
Posted on 05-07-2019 13:01
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It`s the mix of races post the Tour de France and is missing one event still in Rund um Koln, which will come later.
6 races in total. 3 PT, 3 PTHC. Tour of Northern Europe the big one followed by East Midland and the PT ITT classic. Then in Portugal, Balkan and Deutschland three high scoring PTHC stage races!
RBC with Phinney did win and dominate the TT. Not a surprise with Coppel out of the PT. Still very good points for them that might still make them climb a bit and in especially not dropping towards relegation area as it`s close from the mid table. In especially as Tinkoff as big scorer is coming closer to the safe side of the line and also T-Mobile did well and might jump more towards the podium.
East Midlands and who else than Bewley should win here? Evonik, RBC and Aker at least gave him a nice fight and yet again Tinkoff high on the scoring board putting big pressure on the teams above.
Tour of Northern Europe, the big PT stage race in this period and finally Bewley was able to win, he just needed Boom to decline first I guess. For later it was still a continuation of good performances in this race and alongside the team depth they came 2nd best team ahead of Gazelle while several teams got some decent scoring from there.
Now to the PTHC as it`s always interesting with not all PT teams involved.
Portugal had a big 488 score by Bennelong as Bobridge was basically everywhere and despite losing out on PCT`s Fablok, they scored most and make themselves a gap to the teams behind. eBuddy regularly doing well in Portugal as well just like Hugo Boss or home teams Berg and Porto. Also Festina and Evonik with nice scorings.
Balkans had Grieg as winner despite losing out on the scoring table to two teams! Bennelong yet again and in especially T-Mobile were doing best there with Isostar also doing well.
Deutschland then had a PCT team as winner but couple of PT teams doing very well including Tinkoff yet again with 260 points, Air France as well with 216 or EA Vesuvio at 216.
| | Team | Total | TT | Por | Mid | Balk | TONE | Deu | | 1 |  | Bennelong - Mitchelton | 938 | 56 | 488 | 25 | 313 | 56 | 0 | | 2 |  | Moser - Sygic | 900 | 20 | 0 | 271 | 97 | 512 | 0 | | 3 |  | Gazelle | 783 | 75 | 0 | 101 | 182 | 356 | 69 | | 4 |  | Team Tinkoff | 764 | 193 | 0 | 177 | 0 | 134 | 260 | | 5 |  | Grieg - Eftel | 754 | 20 | 0 | 173 | 285 | 238 | 38 | | 6 |  | Evonik - ELKO | 694 | 15 | 132 | 201 | 115 | 231 | 0 | | 7 |  | T-Mobile | 693 | 191 | 0 | 15 | 342 | 145 | 0 | | 8 |  | Festina - Dexia | 653 | 81 | 196 | 86 | 0 | 118 | 172 | | 9 |  | Aegon - Lavazza | 650 | 20 | 0 | 47 | 80 | 404 | 99 | | 10 |  | EA Vesuvio | 649 | 39 | 0 | 45 | 125 | 224 | 216 | | 11 |  | eBuddy | 634 | 100 | 250 | 35 | 0 | 249 | 0 | | 12 |  | Team Puma - SAP | 589 | 31 | 168 | 49 | 0 | 282 | 59 | | 13 |  | RBC Pro Cycling | 586 | 240 | 0 | 176 | 0 | 149 | 21 | | 14 |  | Team UBS | 460 | 61 | 0 | 55 | 122 | 222 | 0 | | 15 |  | Aker - MOT | 455 | 58 | 0 | 151 | 102 | 144 | 0 | | 16 |  | Isostar Slovenija | 452 | 20 | 0 | 67 | 230 | 133 | 2 | | 17 |  | Air France - KLM | 429 | 46 | 0 | 67 | 0 | 81 | 235 | | 18 |  | Hugo Boss | 420 | 41 | 191 | 49 | 0 | 123 | 16 | | 19 |  | Berg Cycles | 366 | 74 | 183 | 5 | 0 | 41 | 63 | | 20 |  | Porto - Prio | 316 | 30 | 168 | 15 | 0 | 63 | 40 | | 21 |  | Desigual | 314 | 71 | 0 | 95 | 52 | 96 | 0 | | 22 |  | Volvo acc. by Spotify | 224 | 25 | 26 | 56 | 0 | 117 | 0 |
So what`s the full picture? Despite not scoring a lot post hte Tour de France, a decent TONE was enough plus the huge gap and Puma defends the lead! Hardly to believe they can be beaten still.
Moser on a safe 2nd still with their strong Bewley races recently but quite a lot of a gap into both sides.
EA Vesuvio needed the strong races in Balkan, TONE and Deutschland as the teams behind are closing. Festina and T-Mobile still unchanged but down to 10th all can mix still.
Gazelle, Evonik, Isostar or Bennelong the most dangerous for the top5.
Then in the middle Aegon made a jump from just above relegation the mid table in 11th due to the TONE and their win in Riga Jurmala (which actually is missing above: in short also Moser and Evonik did well there), while the other races weren`t as ideal for their leaders.
At the bottom Aker moved down from 12th to 16th and Tinkoff the other way from 20th to 17th and now sitting next to each other and just ahead of the relegation zone! Still seperated by more than 400 points though, which makes it for now a fight of 6 teams for the single safe spot. But as we see, one super result can also pull others into that fight.
UBS unchanged as 18th while Desigual and Porte slipped down a bit. Both with a bit of a small gap though to Berg and Volvo, which look doomed by now as the number of remaining races slowly reduce.
| | | Team | Total | RD | PpRD | Proj | | 1 | 1 | | Team Puma - SAP | 7892 | 180 | 43,84 | 7672 | | 2 | 2 | | Moser - Sygic | 6470 | 173 | 37,40 | 6545 | | 3 | 3 | | EA Vesuvio | 5889 | 182 | 32,36 | 5663 | | 4 | 4 | | Festina - Dexia | 5675 | 180 | 31,53 | 5518 | | 5 | 5 | | T-Mobile | 5524 | 173 | 31,93 | 5588 | | 6 | 7 | | Gazelle | 5475 | 182 | 30,08 | 5264 | | 7 | 8 | | Evonik - ELKO | 5381 | 180 | 29,89 | 5231 | | 8 | 6 | | Isostar Slovenija | 5246 | 182 | 28,82 | 5044 | | 9 | 13 | | Bennelong - Mitchelton | 5221 | 180 | 29,01 | 5077 | | 10 | 9 | | Hugo Boss | 4948 | 180 | 27,49 | 4811 | | 11 | 15 | | Aegon - Lavazza | 4922 | 182 | 27,04 | 4732 | | 12 | 10 | | Air France - KLM | 4875 | 173 | 28,18 | 4932 | | 13 | 11 | | RBC Pro Cycling | 4863 | 173 | 28,11 | 4919 | | 14 | 14 | | eBuddy | 4850 | 171 | 28,36 | 4963 | | 15 | 16 | | Grieg - Eftel | 4819 | 182 | 26,48 | 4634 | | 16 | 12 | | Aker - MOT | 4767 | 173 | 27,55 | 4821 | | 17 | 20 | | Team Tinkoff | 4303 | 173 | 24,87 | 4352 | | 18 | 18 | | Team UBS | 4117 | 173 | 23,80 | 4165 | | 19 | 17 | | Desigual | 4097 | 173 | 23,68 | 4144 | | 20 | 19 | | Porto - Prio | 3945 | 180 | 21,92 | 3836 | | 21 | 22 | | Berg Cycles | 3684 | 180 | 20,47 | 3582 | | 22 | 21 | | Volvo acc. by Spotify | 3609 | 171 | 21,11 | 3694 |
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| roturn |
Posted on 05-07-2019 13:01
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We have a change at the top of the ranking! Bewley went past Herklotz and climbs late from 7th to 1st. The GC attack in the TONE was a gamble in that case but worked out well!
Spilak remains behind Herklotz as best of the rest, while Taaramae and Phinney come next as maybe best pure stage racer and one, who got his deficits replaced by a strong TT.
Andy Schleck might be ageing, he is still damn strong and deserves to be up there with the very best stage racers.
Ponzi as best puncheur next in an equal range of points while Demare as first "sprinter" is 8th but a lot of his points also come from punchy stages. Boasson Hagen and Bakelants round out the top10 for the puncheurs ahead of Bobridge, who had a lot of recent moments.
Coquard as best pure sprinter in 14th beating the likes of Swift (20). Van Stayen/Van AVermaet around the post 20 spots a bit below expectations but as duo, they simply are some of the best and also Sagan in between showing the allround skills still perform nicely but lacking a bit to the better specialists.
| | | Team | | | Total | | 1 | 7 | Sam Bewley | NZL | | Moser - Sygic | 2432 | | 2 | 1 | Silvio Herklotz | GER | | Team Puma - SAP | 2332 | | 3 | 2 | Simon Spilak | SLO | | Isostar Slovenija | 1981 | | 4 | 3 | Rein Taaramäe | EST | | T-Mobile | 1951 | | 5 | 8 | Taylor Phinney | USA | | RBC Pro Cycling | 1886 | | 6 | 4 | Andy Schleck | LUX | | EA Vesuvio | 1869 | | 7 | 5 | Simone Ponzi | ITA | | Hugo Boss | 1864 | | 8 | 6 | Arnaud Demare | FRA | | Team Puma - SAP | 1736 | | 9 | 9 | Edvald Boasson Hagen | NOR | | Air France - KLM | 1525 | | 10 | 10 | Jan Bakelants | BEL | | Grieg - Eftel | 1518 | | 11 | 30 | Jack Bobridge | AUS | | Bennelong - Mitchelton | 1377 | | 12 | 17 | Tejay Van Garderen | USA | | T-Mobile | 1267 | | 13 | 11 | Pierre-Henri Lecuisinier | FRA | | Festina - Dexia | 1180 | | 14 | 15 | Bryan Coquard | FRA | | Festina - Dexia | 1155 | | 15 | 12 | Angel Madrazo | ESP | | Gazelle | 1150 | | 16 | 20 | Toms Skujins | LAT | | Evonik - ELKO | 1137 | | 17 | 13 | Joseph Dombrowski | USA | | eBuddy | 1127 | | 18 | 16 | Robert Gesink | NED | | Berg Cycles | 1116 | | 19 | 14 | Andrei Amador | CRC | | Team UBS | 1105 | | 20 | 24 | Ben Swift | GBR | | Aegon - Lavazza | 1066 | | 21 | 18 | Michael Van Stayen | BEL | | Evonik - ELKO | 1057 | | 22 | 19 | Peter Sagan | SVK | | Moser - Sygic | 1053 | | 23 | 31 | Greg Van Avermaet | BEL | | Evonik - ELKO | 1026 | | 24 | 22 | Sean De Bie | BEL | | Aegon - Lavazza | 959 | | 25 | 21 | Jose Alarcon | VEN | | Hugo Boss | 939 |
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| roturn |
Posted on 05-07-2019 13:05
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Must admit while Swift and De Bie had both their moments, they had so many races, where they sucked and underperformed. Both around 1000 points at least shows, they scored regularly, which most important might save my team this year.
In especially as Olivier and Groenewegen had seasons to forget with not even 400 points. But post transfers I knew it would be a long season for my team, with TONE done now, I am a lot more confident! |
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Posted on 05-07-2019 13:54
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No good puncheurs in relegation danger, me likey 
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| fintas |
Posted on 05-07-2019 16:22
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Vien wrote:
No good puncheurs in relegation danger, me likey
Gesink says hello
If anyone still had doubts about our condemnation, they were completely dissipated in this ranking.
The season was too bad for the whole team except for Gesink.
Obviously PCM also did not help much with strange decisions as happened in Germany with McEvoy to be considered favorite in all the stages, something that is just and only ridiculous.
The only positive and amazing thing is we are not in last lol
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Posted on 05-07-2019 16:50
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Not Good at all:/
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Posted on 05-07-2019 17:35
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Still in the top 5 which is really nice, but the original season goal of top 3 seems out of reach with all these strong teams heavily closing in on us, while only Vesuvio is within reach - and that will be difficult too! Not many races left that really suit us well, so we will have to make do with what we got.
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Something must be wrong with the projected points though as it is lower than the actual score 
EDIT 2:
Really nice to see that it is the riders I have built up from scratch, that is currently fighting to keep us in the top 5 (+Maxime Daniel):
| | | Team | | | Total | | 13 | 11 | Pierre-Henri Lecuisinier | FRA | | Festina - Dexia | 1180 | | 14 | 15 | Bryan Coquard | FRA | | Festina - Dexia | 1155 | | 39 | 53 | Clement Koretzky | FRA | | Festina - Dexia | 667 | | 61 | 81 | Panagiotis Vlatos | GRE | | Festina - Dexia | 475 | | 67 | 67 | Maxime Daniel | FRA | | Festina - Dexia | 426 | | 105 | 108 | Yuriy Vasyliv | GER | | Festina - Dexia | 257 | | 117 | 102 | Georgos Tzortzakis | GRE | | Festina - Dexia | 228 | | 166 | 163 | Charalampas Kastrantas | GRE | | Festina - Dexia | 156 |
Lecuisinier as the 6th best placed GC rider in the world, which is indeed looking positive with Andy Schleck on the decline, Simon Spilak and Rein Taaramäe soon aswell. Just Dombrowski and Phinney who are still having a lot of time in the "max zone" ahead of him, which bodes well for the future.
Bryan Coquard as currently the top sprinter of the world (excluding the likes of Bewley and Demare. Even ahead of Swift and van Stayen. Still Moscow and Tasmania to change the rankings though.
After a horrible performance last season, Koretzky has started climbing a bit back to his level-region again. In order to be a PT punchy leader, though he needs to improve to ~850-1000 points, so he's not quite there yet. A good bet for a bit of training next season I guess. With a bit of luck he can land around 100 points in total from the Tasmania/Lombardia combination.
Vlatos the 2nd best pure timetriallist of the season, just 100 points behind Fiedler is also very good. He finished that past two seasons in around 350 points, this season he is at 475, despite dissapointing in Deutschland Tour and TONE. He still have Tasmania to score a few more points. One can hope that he will get a top 5 there to get close to the 500 points mark.
The off-season gamble to switch Tom David with Maxime Daniel also seems to have paid off, despite him being dreadful in TONE. Tom David managed 300 points last season, Maxime Daniel is currently on 426 with still Battenkill and Tasmania to add a few extra points. Maybe 40-50 can be achieved if lucky... But OK, he was more expensive than Tom David.
Yuriy Vasyliv have managed to beat his previous record aswell, scoring previously 214 and 213 which is now 257. Very consistent despite never getting great results. Maybe 5-10 points to add from Lombardia too.
Georgos Tzortzakis, the lost son, came back and did a really good job. Obviously not at the level which he left us at, but scoring 228 points (And still attending Moscow and Tasmania) on a 80K contract is very good.
Charalampas Kastrantas keeps on performing on a consistent level with his 156 points. Previous seasons gave 142, 191 and 169 respectively. Still having Battenkill and Lombardia to land a few more.
And then - first then! - We see our new "signings" Robin van der Hugenhaben and Juan Ernesto Chamorro landing a combined 300 points. ~150 points each. Slightly better than loanie Romain Le Roux. I guess those 300 points will easily be replaced from the 557K wages they are taking up! Except for Tzortzakis the other riders are aged between 25 and 28.
I guess the rebuild from losing Simon Spilak, Jerome Coppel, Tom David and Jakub Novak (Wage: 1.750.000€) went pretty well.
Edited by SotD on 05-07-2019 18:42
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Posted on 05-07-2019 17:56
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Another solid sequence of races for Gazelle. We're rarely the big winner of a race, but scoring a small amount of points very often does add up in the long run. We're gradually crawling our way up the ranking.  Let's keep this up; a top 5 finish would be waaay above expectation.
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Posted on 05-07-2019 19:21
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This might sound weird if you look at the table or read the text but this was actually a bad month for us. Balkan and Portugal were terrible races considering our favourite status going into them, ToNE was at best okayish and the tt was exactly as expected. Only midlands was good. Still top 5 looks possible.
The relegation fight looks interesting - there is a bit of a gap around the red line with only Tinkoff still looking in immediate danger to be caught by one of the remaining teams down there. Will be interesting to see whether any team can still make huge jumps to threaten the teams above
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Posted on 05-07-2019 19:55
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SotD wrote:
Something must be wrong with the projected points though as it is lower than the actual score
Clearly the all knowing formula has foreseen the coming Festina Affair Part II which will see a minor points deduction
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| SotD |
Posted on 05-07-2019 21:08
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jandal7 wrote:
SotD wrote:
Something must be wrong with the projected points though as it is lower than the actual score
Clearly the all knowing formula has foreseen the coming Festina Affair Part II which will see a minor points deduction
Hehe I can see Lecuisinier crying with his hair all white and creepy already
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| ember |
Posted on 05-07-2019 22:26
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Thank you for the update!
That was a very bad month for us, but dropping all the way down to 16th was even worse than expected. Tour de Maroc suddenly turns out to be a vital race seeing what we got left, as in the other races, there's not really any signs we will perform. Hopefully Maroc can be huge for us, with both Ciolek and Beltran present.
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Posted on 06-07-2019 00:15
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Thanks for the update, not looking good for us. We've got Schelling going to Maroc and the underperforming Trofimov finishing the season in Tasmania and Lombardia, but those are pretty much our only opportunities for points. The 17th spot looks to be up for grabs but we don't have the firepower to make a real challenge in my opinion.
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Posted on 06-07-2019 12:37
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Top 10 is still in reach. But it won't be very easy as I think we only have one big race left in Morocco.
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| SotD |
Posted on 06-07-2019 18:54
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Trying to catch up with my own calculations, but it seems like Rund um Köln is missing. Has it not been ridden? It should have taken place after the Chrono and before Volta a Portugal...
It could be a pretty important race for the overall PT rankings with riders such as Nick van der Lijke (EA Vesuvio), Bryan Coquard (Festina), Marko Kump (Isostar) attending (I think)...
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| SotD |
Posted on 06-07-2019 19:07
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Also I believe the points from the Tour de France (which I pointed out during points update 5) haven't been corrected...
I believe some points may have been given wrong.
Could be the GC points have been given for Giro/Vuelta rather than Tour de France list, perhaps?
I get these points (just the top 5 teams checked):
Spoiler Isostar: 1557
T-Mobile: 1488
Festina: 934
Berg Cycles: 887
Air France: 688
If I check my own riders:
Spoiler Pierre-Henri Lecuisinier
- 290pts for 5th GC
- 40pts for 1st U25GC
- 25pts for 4th Points GC
- 3pts for 7th Team GC
- 72pts for leading U25 standings (Stage 3-20)
- 1pts for being 3rd U25 standings (Stage 2)
- 11pts for being 5th GC standings (Stage 10-20)
Stageresults:
- 5pts Stage 4
- 1pts Stage 8
- 3pts Stage 10
- 25pts Stage 12
- 15pts Stage 13
- 1pts Stage 15
- 50pts Stage 16
- 2pts Stage 19
- 80pts Stage 20
- 3pts Stage 21
= 627pts
Yuriy Vasyliv: (Not 78pts)
- 51pts for 29th GC
- 18pts for 3rd U25GC
- 3pts for 7th Team GC
- 11pts for being 3rd U25 standings (Stage 10-20)
= 83pts
Armanto Archimandritis: (Not 18pts)
- 20pts for 50-100GC
- 3pts for 7th Team GC
= 23pts
Matteo Fabbro: (Not 18pts)
- 20pts for 50-100GC
- 3pts for 7th Team GC
= 23pts
Georgos Tzortzakis - OK
Romain Le Roux - OK
Charalampas Kastrantas - OK
Loic Vliegen - OK
The riders mentioned "OK" didn't finish the race, hence only scored points from the stages. This leads me to conclude, that just the GC points were wrong. I haven't thoroughly checked, neither my own riders or other teams, but just written down what I believe to remember the points was from each stage - so there could be other mistakes - but I wouldn't go that deep into it, as for me it feels like the GC points is the main thing that seems skewed.
When I go through my points I'm missing a total of something like 100 points + Rund um Köln which haven't been raced (I think).
I believe correcting these things could tip around the top 5 battle to be honest.
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| SotD |
Posted on 07-07-2019 13:28
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Is Riga - Jurmala included?
I find it really difficult to get a good overview of the actual state, going into the final races.
Rund um Köln not raced.
Tour de France GC points incorrect.
Riga Jurmala maybe not included.
As a person who live the game through numbers this is going into some sort of mental meltdown for me, as I can't do my numbers correctly, and thus can't get my personal predictions and expectations down to the wire. I know I'm probably the only one - but I have tried offering my help numerous times to get things running a bit more periodic and chronological.
So is there anything I can do to help? I have calculated the Tour de France GC points, which can possibly replace the current ones - alternatively just change the pointscale according to my previous suggestions to get the correct numbers.
Also I think it would be very nice to get Rund um Köln and Tour of the Battenkill ridden - and the full numbers updated before going into the final month so everyone know what to expect.
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| tastasol |
Posted on 07-07-2019 20:43
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A good update for us! Looks like we're safe from relegation at the moment and three riders top 40 is certainly looking good.
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| Heine |
Posted on 08-07-2019 07:50
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Quite happy about staying in top 5, TVGs awesome (if inconsistent) Balkan important for us.
Top 2 is already decided, but I hope we will be able to have a good fight for the last podium spot
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| Gustavovskiy |
Posted on 14-07-2019 10:19
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Sorry for not posting much in recente weeks. Excellent update as ever roturn, thanks!
Not much to be said about our hopes. Volta was the key race to our Schedule this season and we completely blew it. It's hard to swallow the news but we're going down once more (it has to be some kind of record by now ).
At the top Puma seems as doomed to success as we are doomed to fail. An astounding season so far and there's little others can do to reach their position. Kudos cio!
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