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| sutty68 |
Posted on 16-05-2019 14:03
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Wonder if we will get a Portugese doping/hate thread now  |
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| Gustavovskiy |
Posted on 16-05-2019 14:42
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sutty68 wrote:
Wonder if we will get a Portugese doping/hate thread now
That would be fun, but I think you'd struggle to find anyone to defend the portuguese.
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 16-05-2019 14:44
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Gustavovskiy wrote:
sutty68 wrote:
Wonder if we will get a Portugese doping/hate thread now
That would be fun, but I think you'd struggle to find anyone to defend the portuguese.
well the portuguese maybe, if they're still around 
not sure if even them believe it
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 16-05-2019 14:54
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Gustavovskiy wrote:
sutty68 wrote:
Wonder if we will get a Portugese doping/hate thread now
That would be fun, but I think you'd struggle to find anyone to defend the portuguese.
This. The Sky hate thread only works because some Sky fans are so vigilant in defending them. Very few people would be defending Volta a Portugal any time soon. it's been a joke for a while.
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| FreitasPCM |
Posted on 16-05-2019 15:09
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I am Portuguese and I can confirm no one believes in Portuguese teams and Volta anymore. I can also say to keep an eye out for possible 2019 winner João Rodrigues too! |
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| Shonak |
Posted on 16-05-2019 16:01
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sutty68 wrote:
Wonder if we will get a Portugese doping/hate thread now
They have to dope bc of the brits tricking the system.so shamelessly
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 17-05-2019 10:22
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UCI: So for next year all WWT (Womens World Tour) races must come with 45minutes of live TV coverage.
ASO: Nah, we don't want to do that. We are the biggest cycling race organiser in the world, with the single biggest cycle race, and one of the world biggest annual sporting events. Plus another whole GT, and two Monuments. And the worlds biggest rally event. But you want us to provide 45 minutes of TV coverage for our womens cycling races? Ridiculous, we shall just accept them dropping to 2nd tier status.
Tl;dr ASO are dicks and will let La Fleche Femmes and LBL Femmes drop down from WWT to ProSeries next year instead of providing less than an hour of TV coverage.
And in case you were wondering, no this hasn't gone down well in the womens peloton and rumor is that the UCI is also less than impressed. Whilst probably not the biggest concern to most of you, maybe keep an eye out because this has all the possiblity to rapidly turn into a very messy and very impactful situation if teams, sponsors or the UCI decided to make problems for the TDF organiser.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 17-05-2019 14:29
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TheManxMissile wrote:
UCI: So for next year all WWT (Womens World Tour) races must come with 45minutes of live TV coverage.
ASO: Nah, we don't want to do that. We are the biggest cycling race organiser in the world, with the single biggest cycle race, and one of the world biggest annual sporting events. Plus another whole GT, and two Monuments. And the worlds biggest rally event. But you want us to provide 45 minutes of TV coverage for our womens cycling races? Ridiculous, we shall just accept them dropping to 2nd tier status.
Tl;dr ASO are dicks and will let La Fleche Femmes and LBL Femmes drop down from WWT to ProSeries next year instead of providing less than an hour of TV coverage.
And in case you were wondering, no this hasn't gone down well in the womens peloton and rumor is that the UCI is also less than impressed. Whilst probably not the biggest concern to most of you, maybe keep an eye out because this has all the possiblity to rapidly turn into a very messy and very impactful situation if teams, sponsors or the UCI decided to make problems for the TDF organiser.
Oof, that is rough. The ASO really don't want to shed their image as a PoS.
On the other hand, living in America, it seems like 2 races the whole year have 45 minutes of TV coverage even for the men, so I have no idea how feasible that is.
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 17-05-2019 15:19
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I guess it costs money to televise a live sporting event. If there isn't the monetary incentive of doing it ASO have probably just realised they will lose out financially by doing it. The UCI should also shoulder some of the cost as they are the ones insisting on televising the events.
I guess it's a Catch 22 scenario. Womens Cycling doesn't generate much interest, therefore sponsorship and viewing figures are low therefore ASO are reluctant to spend money televising it. However if it was televised, interest may grow and improved sponsorship may make it more financially viable for ASO to do.
They should be able to reach some sort of compromise where they could agree to televise the events for a couple of years, with subsidisation from the UCI. If they can then prove they are financially un-viable for them they have the option to stop televising them live.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 17-05-2019 22:19
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@BBL - The overall lack of tv coverage in the US is a whole other issue the sport should deal with, missing such a huge market is just baffling for a "global" sport. A whole other topic entirely that i could discuss to some length
@ringo - I mean, it's not like ASO don't have live coverage of the mens Flech and LBL already... on the same roads... on the same day... Whilst much smaller race organisers like those behind Trofeo Binda or Ronde van Drenthe can put on full live-steamming coverage pretty much from flag to finish year after year.
Yes, definitely a cost issue for the biggest race organiser, to be out-spent by what are in essence one-off race producers. (The irony should also not be lost that the womens Tour de Yorkshire does get almost start to finish live TV coverage in the UK, which is an ASO run race. Although ASO has almost nothing to do with that, with ITV picking up the coverage costs as they do with the Tour Series, Womens Tour and Tour of Britain).
Speaking of those British events, viewership for the Womens TdY and Womens Tour are comparable with those of the mens TdY, full ToB is still ahead. As are roadside spectator numbers, as big for the womens events as for the mens.
I would love to throw out some numbers for european events but trying to get accurate figures i can actually understand is a nightmare. But the general consensus seems to run in a 50-75% range for womens versions of male events when tv broadcasts are available. (had to use quite a few bits of data from CX, MTB and Track to try and make some reasonable guess). And these numbers are consistently growing year on year.
Which all neatly mirrors the overall trend for the broadcast of womens sport in general, overall numbers are below those of male sport but are showing consistent growth each year with most televisde sports sitting in that 50-75% range.
If a smaller race organiser came out and said the cost was prohibitive, most people would be understanding. It's why i have sympathy in the US where the races are mostly one-off organisers who can barely afford to get the mens events on TV. But ASO... no, it's just bullshit excuses from an outdate organisation.
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| Yellow Jersey |
Posted on 24-05-2019 22:31
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Sadly due to it's recent doping cases team Manzana Postobon is no more.. They will stop existing, won't race the planned calendar and riders/staff without a contract if I'm not mistaken. Really bad specially coming from such a rising country.
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| ivaneurope |
Posted on 25-05-2019 14:38
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Yellow Jersey wrote:
Sadly due to it's recent doping cases team Manzana Postobon is no more.. They will stop existing, won't race the planned calendar and riders/staff without a contract if I'm not mistaken. Really bad specially coming from such a rising country.
More and more teams will fall now with the Operation Aderlass being untangled. Speaking of Aderlass, many people claim that Primoz Roglic is also involved.
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Posted on 25-05-2019 16:50
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He's Slovenian so the trolls would obviously target him though
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| Shonak |
Posted on 25-05-2019 17:13
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Which trolls? lol Would be the least surprising thing if that guy was dirty
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 25-05-2019 17:21
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Shonak wrote:
Which trolls? lol Would be the least surprising thing if that guy was dirty
This.
And I imagine we'll be hearing a whole lot more from this in the near future. On contrary to the spaniard authorities, I imagine both the austrians and the german authorities will be more interested in finding the truth than to protect their athletes, asit happened on Operacion Puerto.
After all those Bahrain Merida riders, I expect a big name to be involved somehow. Also, it's really sad to see, but wonderfull in a way, to see nothing has changed in 10 years since Operacion Puerto, and that the sport is probably as dirty as it was back then. Ridicolous how ineffective the bio passport seems now... |
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| SeoulYank |
Posted on 25-05-2019 18:12
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baseballlover312 wrote:
On the other hand, living in America, it seems like 2 races the whole year have 45 minutes of TV coverage even for the men, so I have no idea how feasible that is.
Depends on your TV provider. I subscribe to Fubo TV which has a channel available called Fubo Cycling. Includes more races than I've ever been able to get at any point in the past in the US. Through in an NBC Sports Gold cycling pass to pick up the handful of big races that aren't on Fubo Cycling. |
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| Tamijo |
Posted on 25-05-2019 18:14
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Shonak wrote:
Which trolls? lol Would be the least surprising thing if that guy was dirty
I see no reason to believe nationality has anything to do with doping (at least not in Cycling) they don’t often live at home and as far as I remember no country have been a lot cleaner than others
Im not saying the Slovenian is clean, but I don't see any evidence to proves that he is more likely to be doped than riders from Denmark, Spain, Italy, USA, Colombia or any other country.
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 25-05-2019 19:01
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Tamijo wrote:
Shonak wrote:
Which trolls? lol Would be the least surprising thing if that guy was dirty
I see no reason to believe nationality has anything to do with doping (at least not in Cycling) they don’t often live at home and as far as I remember no country have been a lot cleaner than others
Im not saying the Slovenian is clean, but I don't see any evidence to proves that he is more likely to be doped than riders from Denmark, Spain, Italy, USA, Colombia or any other country.
I think that's bit naive, Russia's doping progamme was state sponsored (although it didn't include cyclist because they all suck anyway). Other eastern european countries have had their national federations cheat as well. In this case Operation Aderlass also started around Austrian atletes of different sports and expanded to other nationalities. Most famous was the skier that got caught on tape with a needle in his arm.
I'm far from an expert on the sport, but ski jumping doesn't look remotely connected to cycling. Roglic's climb to the world top seems incredible. I'm not accusing him of anything until there's proof, but as others have said, it would explain a lot.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Shonak |
Posted on 25-05-2019 19:03
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I don't care that he's slovenian, but anybody should be suspicious of riders coming out of the blue and reaching world class status within practically two years (yeah yeah, we all know about his ski jumping background...)
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 25-05-2019 19:34
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Sports people doping? I, for one, am shocked.
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