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Mafia VIII | Dumbtell or Scumtell?
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| jseadog1 |
Posted on 16-04-2019 13:46
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Croatia14 wrote:
I loved this game, great game everybody:
then my very first guess on jseadog was right  I definitely got blinded to trust df_trek because he was the only one siding me for most of the game - smart play by him, in hindsight I maybe should've recognized, but that's life...
the mafia played it very well! I only hope the statement on wrestlemania was true, jseadog, cause that finally convinced me you're town otherwise I'm very disappointed 
looking forward to the next game 
Yes! It was most definitely true. Friday, Saturday, and Sunday I played the game from New York City and hoped I could weasel my way by. I knew when I returned I would be active.
Fun fact, I was going to claim as doctor after the night knockout saved hillis but he beat me to it. I thought for sure hillis would believe me over him.
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| df_Trek |
Posted on 16-04-2019 16:14
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jandal7 wrote:
I'd like to give the opportunity to df_trek first as I agree with knockout on my "player of the game" choice, but I'd be happy to nominate you if he doesn't want to as a winner this time (and only volunteer)
Thanks Jandal, but I want to let jseadog to partecipate it, as I see him more motivated. but I have to say I really enjoyed the game here with PCM.daily people. Thanks to everyone who partecipated, and to you in particular for organizing it 
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| jandal7 |
Posted on 17-04-2019 12:31
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Sounds nice, now I have however long until next time to figure out how to avoid being like Mre in Big Brother when he got killed instantly 
24/02/21 - kandesbunzler said “I don't drink famous people."
15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant."
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 17-04-2019 12:36
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jandal7 wrote:
Sounds nice, now I have however long until next time to figure out how to avoid being like Mre in Big Brother when he got killed instantly
As long as I'm in the game I don't think you have to worry about the first night kill, I've only made day 2 once in 4 games.
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| jandal7 |
Posted on 17-04-2019 12:42
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sammyt93 wrote:
jandal7 wrote:
Sounds nice, now I have however long until next time to figure out how to avoid being like Mre in Big Brother when he got killed instantly
As long as I'm in the game I don't think you have to worry about the first night kill, I've only made day 2 once in 4 games.
Must be your High Risk and Amazing Race titles you show off in your userbar
Speaking of which, about time someone revived the former in my opinion
24/02/21 - kandesbunzler said “I don't drink famous people."
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 17-04-2019 13:08
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quadsas wrote:
I have no clue how lets say ToS roles would work in a long ass game, cause instead of a minute to figure out whos evil you got days, but I am always in favor of more complexity. makes people feel less useless
Well it's not really ToS either I think, but I'll quickly translate a few examples. It's Werewolves vs. Townies but the names can be switched to Maffia terms of course.
Townies
Seer - Will look at 2 people and will get a yes/no answer if there is a wolf amongst them.
Witch - Will block one person's nightly action
Transporter - Will switch 2 people around at night
Seducer - Takes away the targets vote and gets a double vote himself
Sorcerer - Looks like a townie but he wins if the wolves win
Warden - Puts one person in jail at night, where he can't do anything but also can't be killed
Wolves
Shaman wolf - Will make a person appear like something else
Infecting wolf - Does not kill a person but makes a wolf out of him
Protecting wolf - Doesn't know the other wolves and tries to protect the townies. Wins if the townies win.
You can also add more passive stuff like the Masons
Wolfman - Very ugly townie that looks like a wolf, so the wolves won't kill him the first time they attack him
Prince - When he is about to be lynched, he reveals he's the prince so he's not lynched
Butcher - Gets an extra vote when he's the first person to vote on the first person to get lynched
Soothsayer - He hears the names of all people that visited him during the night
Hunter - When the hunter gets attacked at night, he fight back to take down the attacking wolf with him
Whelp - When the Whelp dies, the Wolves are so angry they can do two kills at night
Camouflaged Wolf - Won't be seen by the Seer or the Hunter.
etc
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| ryant |
Posted on 17-04-2019 13:23
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Uggh… Terrible game all round really... (Even by me)
Glad I was correct in thinking knockout was doctor/mafia... not sure if anyone else picked up on that... My vote on df_trek day 1 was based on his rather unexplained lynch vote on me, but otherwise he played well!!!
Town really based too much off of the first days lynch votes, says a lot that both mafia lynched Aquarius, not that it matters now.
I agreed with most of the lynch votes after me anyway, they mostly made sense, and Croatia's actions on the last day really made me think he was mafia - how could you have missed knockout's doctor claim???
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| df_Trek |
Posted on 17-04-2019 13:48
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The vote on you was because I didn't want to point knockout yet at that moment, so I pointed a player that was low-lighting, but I really didn't expected what everything happened about you in last part of day1 and day2, imo was quite clear you were townie and your actions influenced by all people pointing at you, I still can't understand why just Croatia tryed to divert attention on something surely more productive, that was for him a bright townie passport, that was the reason I followed Croatia all game long (in that moment I had a vote pending on him, but once I was online removed immediatly). I think theory to lynch a townie just because is misleading is bad, with that, town lost a day and a night kill more, at the end could be very important also ryant support, if trusted...
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| quadsas |
Posted on 17-04-2019 14:36
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Ollfardh wrote:
quadsas wrote:
I have no clue how lets say ToS roles would work in a long ass game, cause instead of a minute to figure out whos evil you got days, but I am always in favor of more complexity. makes people feel less useless
Well it's not really ToS either I think, but I'll quickly translate a few examples. It's Werewolves vs. Townies but the names can be switched to Maffia terms of course.
Townies
Seer - Will look at 2 people and will get a yes/no answer if there is a wolf amongst them.
Witch - Will block one person's nightly action
Transporter - Will switch 2 people around at night
Seducer - Takes away the targets vote and gets a double vote himself
Sorcerer - Looks like a townie but he wins if the wolves win
Warden - Puts one person in jail at night, where he can't do anything but also can't be killed
Wolves
Shaman wolf - Will make a person appear like something else
Infecting wolf - Does not kill a person but makes a wolf out of him
Protecting wolf - Doesn't know the other wolves and tries to protect the townies. Wins if the townies win.
You can also add more passive stuff like the Masons
Wolfman - Very ugly townie that looks like a wolf, so the wolves won't kill him the first time they attack him
Prince - When he is about to be lynched, he reveals he's the prince so he's not lynched
Butcher - Gets an extra vote when he's the first person to vote on the first person to get lynched
Soothsayer - He hears the names of all people that visited him during the night
Hunter - When the hunter gets attacked at night, he fight back to take down the attacking wolf with him
Whelp - When the Whelp dies, the Wolves are so angry they can do two kills at night
Camouflaged Wolf - Won't be seen by the Seer or the Hunter.
etc
these look really bad tbh. ToS roles are much, much better
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| jseadog1 |
Posted on 17-04-2019 14:42
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sammy only died because he pointed me out Day 1. Otherwise we were going to let him live for awhile. I personally set out to lynch all of those that pointed a finger at me
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| df_Trek |
Posted on 17-04-2019 14:47
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jseadog1 wrote:
sammy only died because he pointed me out Day 1. Otherwise we were going to let him live for awhile. I personally set out to lynch all of those that pointed a finger at me
ahahah, yes, there wasn't too much strategy behind first night kill...I wasn't sure 100% was a good idea, but I got convinced because he was very active and I felt him like the most dangerous player, the fact that we were two main suspects (you in particular) didn't let us much other choice.
We were lucky that the town accepted it like a doctor hunting, and no further statements were really deepen
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 17-04-2019 16:04
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I still cannot understand how jseadog got away without suspicion after night 1, he was my main target before I was night killed and he openly said he was targeting me and then after the night kill he said he was expecting to defend my suspicions all of day 2, yet never got pushed when he himself confirmed he was benefitting greatly from me being night killed.
Knockout, i'd love to hear how you missed these key signs, along with him being contradictory to how he said he would play day 1 and consistantly getting the vote count wrong and leading the town astray with false information.
To me that was the most clear cut mafia day 1 I have seen.
I can't remember why I said df_trek was suspicious but I think it was more that Aquarius was based on dodgy timing rather than anything else.
But how did knockout miss the obvious jseadog signs without being mafia himself? The fact he didn't question jseadog made him seem mafiaish to begin day 2, but the longer the game went on the more knockout seemed confused townie.
The doctor hunting, they think the doctor is dead comment was clever and I missed it as a doctor hint at the time, when he claimed I remembered it straight away though and thought I was stupid for missing it.
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| ryant |
Posted on 17-04-2019 16:11
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Yeah, knockout's 'doctor hunting' post was a clever deception move to try and keep themselves from suspicion... Although I did think he was probably the doctor on day 2 since the way he was playing - couldn't have been playing that brashly without having THE confirmed town role.
Your point on jseadog was interesting, it was suspicious of him getting the vote count wrong a number of times (think I might have noticed it?) but it was quickly forgotten as people just focussed on me/Ian and Croatia for the rest of the game. Mafia didn't really need to make plays, just lynch those the town wanted to
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| jseadog1 |
Posted on 17-04-2019 16:16
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Also FYI, the wrong vote count was actually 100% accidental every-time. I meant to be correct and it was not no stray people away from thinking I was mafia but actually to keep players updated.
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| knockout |
Posted on 17-04-2019 19:11
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sammyt93 wrote:
I still cannot understand how jseadog got away without suspicion after night 1, he was my main target before I was night killed and he openly said he was targeting me and then after the night kill he said he was expecting to defend my suspicions all of day 2, yet never got pushed when he himself confirmed he was benefitting greatly from me being night killed.
Knockout, i'd love to hear how you missed these key signs, along with him being contradictory to how he said he would play day 1 and consistantly getting the vote count wrong and leading the town astray with false information.
To me that was the most clear cut mafia day 1 I have seen.
I can't remember why I said df_trek was suspicious but I think it was more that Aquarius was based on dodgy timing rather than anything else.
But how did knockout miss the obvious jseadog signs without being mafia himself? The fact he didn't question jseadog made him seem mafiaish to begin day 2, but the longer the game went on the more knockout seemed confused townie.
The doctor hunting, they think the doctor is dead comment was clever and I missed it as a doctor hint at the time, when he claimed I remembered it straight away though and thought I was stupid for missing it.
The thing with jseadog is that he always looks quite mafiaish at the start of the game. Stuff like "trust me" and "fluff" posts are always part of his game and he looked like a too easy lynch target early on. Probably him having me as his town read helped too- it is an obvious bias that should not be there but you rather want to believe those that seem to be on your side while you are extra skeptical against those that are suspecting / targeting you.
Then multiple vote counts being wrong was sth that made him more townish to me. A mafia might do it once but no way does the same mafia member post three wrong vote counts to manipulate the town
Also him being the first to jump on top of the waggon against Aquarius at a point where the lynch could have easily deflected to someone else (Ian, df, trek) without necessarily appearing super suspicious was a town thing to me. And it made it super unlikely that he would be a partner of guys like ryant / Croatia who i had seen as most likely to be mafia. Im used to thinking about combos from playing poker and Croatia being the most likely partner of Kandes (if kandes were mafia), most likely partner of df (if df were mafia) and one of the most likely partners of trekbmc (if trecky were mafia) while jdog definitly wasnt partner with trekbmc or croatia took him out of my focus even when i later made my isolation post on him stating he should he considered mafia - i just couldnt find a partner that made sense. Once croatia flipped i was quite convinced he was mafia all of a sudden but that was too late.
I think that looking for a pair of mafia members instead of two individual mafia members was the biggest mistake i made this game.
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Posted on 17-04-2019 19:35
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ryant wrote:
Yeah, knockout's 'doctor hunting' post was a clever deception move to try and keep themselves from suspicion... Although I did think he was probably the doctor on day 2 since the way he was playing - couldn't have been playing that brashly without having THE confirmed town role.
My thoughts behind the post:
I thought it was indeed a very good possibility that he was killed because of that suspicion. Sammyt would probably have got at least a couple of votes due to the timing coincidence so it didnt really seem to make sense to kill him otherwise. And he hadnt really posted much suspicion except targeting jdog and i figured it was unlikely that someone would frame jdog this early / that someone would kill the one guy suspicious on oneself night 1.
My intention:
I have the tendency to die early in these games and if ryant would have been the terrorist he probably would have bombed me. I definitely wanted to avoid an early uncontested doctor claim. By suspecting that sammy was the doctor publicly i make a day 3 doctor claim by e.g. croatia far more unbelievable as if only two townies are dead and nobody contests it which would have been a huge reward move. A doctor claim is always interesting for the mafia since the real doctor might not want to counterclaim or if he is forced to claim he might get less efficient because the mafia can evaluate his play better or might be bombed out of the town etc.
Of course that post had the risk that im playing basically face up and smart people / mafias recognize that im likely the doctor. I happily took that risk since i was a likely night target already and was going to protect myself for the first few nights anyway in the hopes of getting the doctor to the endgame or drawing a kill atempt on myself.
A bonus was that this post was easily explainable if i would have turned into a lynch target a couple days later and/or were forced to claim for whatever other reason.
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Posted on 17-04-2019 20:10
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None of that would have happened if sammy was alive. In Day 2 he certainly would have came for me and once I got 2 votes shy of half I was dead set on bombing knockout.
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 17-04-2019 20:57
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Honestly, I feel there was enough evidence that I could have put together a strong case that Jseadog would have to defend against, but by the time the masons claimed there wasn't enough time left in day 1 to do so and get enough votes to lynch him as he could have stayed quiet and not answered until the second day.
If I'd have survived the first night I'm fairly confident he would have failed to survive day 2, and if the bomb had been used then either df_trek or Trekbmc would have been my next targets.
Obviously I wouldn't have known he was the terrorist at the time, but this
sammyt93 wrote:
If I help find a mafia member to lynch then that's the ideal goal, but even if I get night killed before that happens at least I know they killed a townie that night and not the doctor who is more powerful and should be more helpful than I can be due to his role.
proves that I'd have gone at him hard enough that I'd have tried to make myself a bigger bomb target if he was knowing I was just a townie and not the doctor.
Edit: reply box froze so had to fix some grammar.
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| df_Trek |
Posted on 17-04-2019 22:43
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sammyt93 wrote:
I still cannot understand how jseadog got away without suspicion after night 1, he was my main target before I was night killed and he openly said he was targeting me and then after the night kill he said he was expecting to defend my suspicions all of day 2, yet never got pushed when he himself confirmed he was benefitting greatly from me being night killed.
Imo the fact you were night killed despite you could be main suspect for most of the people, confused the town on the reason of the mafia choice, because maybe there was a good opportunity to convey a lynch against you on day 2, and actually the reason was the easiest, you pointed jseadog mainly with also mentioning me.
I have to say that we didn't think so much about it, and none pointing at us for your kill was a great surprise for me. At the beginning of day 2 I was in the most pessimistic moment of the game, but when I saw what happened from day2 (ryant and the Ian cases) I started to believe more and more we could make it to the finish.
I felt again a bit in danger when bbl started to though about night1 kill, but he didn't get many followers, so we killed him in night 3 to avoid to let him start again those statements on day4 (and also to get a break between masons kills)
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| jseadog1 |
Posted on 18-04-2019 02:11
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We did this for Aquarius. I hope he appreciates
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