@df_trek: Well right now you're lynching me and not Ryant. Do you still believe I'm more likely Mafia than anybody else here?
actually not, assuming that ryant is pro town...but as I stated before I think so.
Now looking at the level of inactivity in this day 2 from many players, and silent context in how ryant is going to be lynched, I'm supposing there's at least a mafia member among inactive people, during next hours of the night I need to give a revise on last two days posts to make me an idea on active ones. Then, I'm pointing to the most active player that is going in my opposite direction, because I really believe that ryant is protown, so lynch knockout
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TBH your vote on knockout df_trek does nothing for me...
The only thing that can save me (and hold knockout to account - for me he can only be the doctor or the mafia by the way hes playing) is for me, Croatia, df_trek and Jseadog to no lynch.
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As the day ends I take up the proposition someone made earlier and take a look forward: If ryant turns out to be mafia (as most of us seem to think) it'll be no surprise if croatia will have a not so nice day 3.
On the other side, if ryant is town we will have a very interesting day 3. I tend to let croatia of the hook if that's the case for if he is mafia despite defending ryant this furiously, it is really well played. I think there will be some (sometimes not so) new suspects including me (for I argued against both ryant and croatia a lot), knockout (following ryants and croatias case against him) and ian (for the same reason), maybe all of the remaining players except the masons. Will be a interesting day in that case.
By the way: It is well possible we lynch a townie (mostly in good believe and/or stupidity to follow ryant) for only two of us know for sure if we are right until 8pm, but it's part of the game to err sometimes, though it is of course bitter for those who are mistakenly lynched. I hope we get back to a more no-nonsense tone the next day and don't forget that we play for fun (in our spare time).
I don't want to avoid responsibility. lynch ryant
Hope he's mafia. Even if he isn't, looks like it's hard to work with him in either case, looking at some angry posts...
Croatia14 wrote:
Also remember the chance that ryant is mafia is 1 to 11 as if he'd be the terrorist he would've killed himself already. I guess some morons and some smart mafia guys killed a townie ffs. But well, who would've guessed...
2 things about that:
1. Aquarius could have been terrorist though correct? Unless thats revealed when the day ends.
2. He could be waiting until the last possible second to make a move. But being only 1 lynch away from going away, it would not be smart to wait. So the likelihood of him being the terrorist is low.
I seem to agree with you at this point on many points but we are too late in the day to get a lynch on someone else especially being that you are in 2nd place right now still correct? I am leading to believe you are town at this point.
I am still quite annoyed by those who are not participating especially the no vote by Ian that makes me quite suspicious.
Also, 2 hours until deadline.
1. not really, he really would've used it then I guess?
2. I thought the day would've been over around 40 minutes ago as I didn't remember the time difference between my current time (summer time change) and the deadline is different to last round...so yeah, I missed out on that, shame on me
but yeah, good to hear from df_trek and jseadog at least - still questions remain on many others that are not active
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Even if he isn't, looks like it's hard to work with him in either case, looking at some angry posts...
This must've been the worst "justification" for a lynch ever. He has all reason to be angry. This screams like "Oh, let me finish the guy of, and if I finished the good guy then it was for good anyway." Which is just bullshit. We need loud characters to represent the voice of the town.
Night 2:
Late in the day the town reached a majority, 6 of the 11 wanted to lynch the erratic ryant. And lynch them they did, but upon inspection they found that he was, in fact, pro-town.
Day 3:
The town were worried about another mafia assassination, many barely slept. But sure enough their fears were confirmed as Marcovdw didn’t come to the morning meeting. He was found face down in an overflowing bath. Eurgh.
Will switch to four days if people are ok? Can stay at five for fairness if people want but think (and have been told) it’s a bit long. So currently deadline on the evening of the 8th GMT
Also, we have again been invited to the Mafia Championships. Read below the invitation. If anyone is interested in being a Daily representative, PM me
Spoiler
INVITATION TO THE MAFIA CHAMPIONSHIP (SEASON 6)
Ahoy there!
I’m very excited to invite your community to participate in Season 6 of the Mafia Championship.
The Mafia Championship is an annual forum-based tournament series that pits representatives from various online Mafia (aka Werewolf) communities against one another as they compete to determine the Internet’s greatest forum Mafia player. Each participating community democratically elects one person to represent them and be their “Champion”.
The tournament first started back in 2013. Since then, 270+ different communities and 50+ different nationalities have been represented.
It’s a super fun event that has created many new friendships and close bonds between communities. I hope that you would be interested in taking part
1. DO YOU ACCEPT THE INVITATION?
If your community wishes to participate, please confirm your participation to Thingyman as soon as you can to ensure yourselves a spot. Currently, the plan is to accommodate 187 communities this season (last season featured 170 communities), and if interest is high enough we will expand even further to 204.
If your community agrees to participate, the deadline for selecting your representative is April 26, but the sooner the better.
The games will take place on Mafia Universe. If it’s okay, I can link directly to the general discussion thread regarding this topic on Mafia Universe. Important notes
[list][*]You may decide yourselves how you want to elect your representative, but we highly recommend some sort of democratic process (public nominations followed by a poll usually works out well).[*]In addition to electing a representative, you should also name an alternate who will be asked to step in if the first choice needs to back out.[*]Your representative should be prepared for having to read upwards of 600 posts per 24 hours during the early stages of the game. Additionally, there’s a requirement that each player must make at least 10 posts per Game Day. Only active players should apply/participate. I repeat: Your chosen player needs to be able to promise a good amount of activity on a daily basis.[/list]
2. SEASON 6 FORMAT The tournament structure
[list][*]187 communities will participate, each sending one representative.[*]QUALIFIERS: 11 Qualifying Games will be played, consisting of 17 players each. I.e. every representative plays in one Qualifying Game. The players themselves vote post-game to determine who is deserving of advancement. 1st place will advance directly to the Finale Game (i.e. 11 of the 17 finalists are found this way), while the 2nd place finishers will advance directly to one of the two Wildcard Games.[*]WILDCARDS: A Jury consisting of finalists from Season 5 will discuss and vote to determine 23 players in total deserving of a second chance. They will play in 2 Wildcard Games along with the aforementioned 2nd place finishers that advanced directly to these games. From each game, three players will advance to the Finale Game based on a post-game player vote, just like in the qualifying phase.[*]THE FINALE: The Finale Game is played. Once it has completed, the players vote to determine who shall receive the title of Season 6 Champion and a winner’s certificate signed by Dmitry Davidoff, the creator of mafia.[/list] This year’s setup: Mad17
The setup is called Mad17 and features 17 players. 13x Town 4x Mafia
Each of the following 17 roles will be assigned at random to one player in the game without regard for the player's alignment. Each role is restricted to using its action only on the nights listed on the chart. Relevant mechanics info
- Day start
- Role reveals at death are alignment only. You will not learn a player's exact role when they die.
- Majority is not in effect.
- Votes are automatically locked in at LYLO.
- Mafia factional kills are assigned. They can be tracked, watched, or roleblocked.
- Mafia share a factional Night Kill, which is a single standard shot for their faction.
- Mafia members may perform the faction kill in addition to their regular action at the same time.
- Mafia may communicate at any time.
- Tied votes will result in a player being lynched at random from among the tied players.
- Each individual player may make a maximum of 200 posts per day phase (this restriction is lifted 2 hours before day end).
- The game will have a host to oversee everything and make sure everyone’s following the code of conduct, but otherwise the game is completely automated (automatic votecounts, thread locks and reveals roles automatically, the bot receives and processes actions, etc.).
3. SEASON 6 TIMELINE
There will be 11 Qualifying Games, and your representative plays in just one of these. They will have start dates during the months of April, May and June. So in other words, as long as your representative can play sometime during that period, they should be good and I’ll make sure they get scheduled into a game that suits their schedule well. I.e. if your rep is busy until June, that isn’t a problem.
Wildcard games will be played in July, and the Finale Game sometime in August/September (whenever we can work out something that suits everyone).
If you want to get in contact with me ASAP, you can find me on Discord (Thingyman#6075).
Kind regards,
Thingyman
First of all, I want to say sorry to ryant. Not for misslynching him, that stuff happens in the game, but for being a bit of a jerk in the final 24h of the day. I was way too convinced (to the point that one could say arrogant too) to let you and croatia both leave the day alive to let you off the hook and it impacted my attitude towards you to the negative.
ive used the night to think about the mistakes me and the town in its entirety have made in the last day:
- Just because someone is (probably) protown doesnt mean his logic is correct too. Ryant/croatia brought up points that i ignored because i considered them mafia. I wish some of those that i considered townies would have pointed at these points too so that i would have overthought some of that. Similarly it gave me confirmation for my theory that both masons and the townies i saw as most townish agreed with me. A costly mistake.
- Step 2 was missing. We had looked for the two most suspicious townies who both seemed to work together but I/we didnt analyze the next step: Who would be more suspicious if the other would be protown? Would that have resulted into a croatia lynch yesterday? I dont know. But it should have been asked - and im annoyed by myself for not doing so. Also where were those who strongly leaned towards one of them?
- where are our masons? You are in the position that no matter what you do - nobody will be able to suggest that you're mafia. Use it by organizing the discussion. Poke those that are too inactive or focussing too much on a single aspect of the game. Point out things that someone does that need further analysis or explanation. The town doesnt need an opinion leader but it needs the right atmosphere / organization and you are in the best situation to create that.
And one more specifically for me:
- My town game has always been best when i focus on how and why someone posts. On day 2 i focussed on the actions on day 1 and failed badly. I think the right thing is to scrap that and focus on the intentions and rhetoric again. I will basically try to forget what i took from the lynchwaggon analysis, reset my opinions to the point of where they were at the time of my big post on day one and work myself up from there again.
Ryants posts in hindsight made me figure out that i might have seen the day 1 action in a wrong light. I want to know from you at what point did it look inevitable as if Aquarius would get lynched?
My plan for day 3:
1. Replying to ryants day 2 comments and ill probably include some croatia comments too. I promised it and i plan to deliver.
(2. Explaining again where i saw the cooperation between ryant and croatia. I will do that when people want this but the time spent on writing that up might be spent better on analysing the current situation. I let the masons decide whether i shall do this. Everyone else could surely influence their decision.)
3. Trying to analyze the peoples posts. Maybe this time divided in multiple posts instead of one big post as that might be better to encourage the discussion and having posts by others to point out the flaws in it. Id probably start with Ian since 225 and 214 looked ugly but i will try to do as many as possible.
And i want to make a proposal to croatia: it looks quite possible that one of us is not seeing the next day. Lets try together to use the day as best as possible and look at everyone else. We both want an active discussion on this day 3 and we look at very different things and our list of town reads on day 1 looked quite different so we should try to find the reason for that. If you happen to top my list at the end of the day ill promise to vote for you and if i top your list at the end of the day your vote should be on me. But let us not do the same thing me, ryant and you did yesterday and focus on each other, basically ignoring everyone else all day long.
Wow... interesting night. Not hugely surprised at the decision to get rid of Marcovdw as he was a 100% confirmed townie.
With that being said, I still want to hear from trekbmc as he has been missing for ages now. Also, Ian Butler said he would be gone for a few weeks and he too should explain why he waited until the absolute last second to make a vote.
We can't just let knockout lead the discussion yet another day as even though I believe he is for the town, we did not make any large progress. Sticking to the same 1-2 people is obviously not a strategy that worked. The activity of this thread was largely dead for Day 2 and it can't be that slow again if we are going to be productive.
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Yeah, i also want to hear from Ian and Trek. Like, right now!
That last minute vote is nice to have when you're Mafia.
When i was mafia in a previous game, we won it like that.
A sneaky last minute vote.
Also, im sorry that ryant was town, but not for the lynch vote. He kind of made his bed, so he had to sleep in it.
However, now i want every living member to give the rest of the town their thoughts on what has gone down the last few days. As the Mafia has decided to remove the masons, i might now survive the next night. So that will leave the town with 0 confirmed townies.
So let's make the most of this day.
I'm not expecting a logical answer better than the tragicomical one given from Ian to his late lynch vote, with the fact he is out for 14 days he will be quite inactive. It must be said that his vote wasn't really determinant, ryant would have been lynched anyway, but why not vote when he wrote a post in the afternoon? His last part of that post convey that he read what happened, and at the end write "he dosen't want to avoid responsability" by lynching a guys practically already dead?
on the other side is pointless to apologize with ryant now, he is not the only victim of this but all the town lost a player, and until this game is a factor of number of people still alive, a townie dead is a score for mafia anyhow.
However Ian is at the top of my list, like ryant and croatia were too, but at my eyes they clarified their position, thus let me give him some hours to change my mind, but if I'm not having (good) answers or someone else will catch my attention, I'll go whit him.
i'll definitely make a post somewhere today! Tomorrow I leave, but like I said, if there is internet, a daily login (or once everything two days) should be possible!
And i want to make a proposal to croatia: it looks quite possible that one of us is not seeing the next day. Lets try together to use the day as best as possible and look at everyone else. We both want an active discussion on this day 3 and we look at very different things and our list of town reads on day 1 looked quite different so we should try to find the reason for that. If you happen to top my list at the end of the day ill promise to vote for you and if i top your list at the end of the day your vote should be on me.
Well if at this point still somebody would try to push lynching me through that would be hilariously idiotic. So while this person could indeed be you, this is something I did for the full game. Hence I do not see anything new in this statement, cause that's how the town should play all the time.
But let us not do the same thing me, ryant and you did yesterday and focus on each other, basically ignoring everyone else all day long.
I do not want this stated for my perspective, as I did not only focus on you imo. You did however, which was a mistake (or not if you are mafia). However, this shall not be the nail in the coffin for you right now.
Also I will lynch trekbmc to put some pressure on him coming to life again.
df_Trek wrote:
I'm not expecting a logical answer better than the tragicomical one given from Ian to his late lynch vote, with the fact he is out for 14 days he will be quite inactive. It must be said that his vote wasn't really determinant, ryant would have been lynched anyway, but why not vote when he wrote a post in the afternoon? His last part of that post convey that he read what happened, and at the end write "he dosen't want to avoid responsability" by lynching a guys practically already dead?
Ay, there's the rub.
Basically you are in a bad position anyway. The dice were already cast. If I didn't propose a lynch, you'd say I didn't participate and that would be suspicious.
If I did lynch (like I did), you'd say... well, what you said.
The result was a lynch for ryant anyway, and nothing on my part was going to change that. So in the end I decided to also cast my vote in order to share in the responsibility.
As you said, it made no impact. So why would a mafia member add to a lynch if he doesn't change the result anyway?
You could argue why a townie would add to a lynch if it doesn't change anything, but you're merely asking questions about why someone would do it. It has nothing to do with being mafia or pro-town.
I'll reveal a secret now, for the sake of the town. Because I believe a town CAN in fact benifit from seeing another townie lynched. Of course only in special circumstances.
When ryant proposed his self lynch, I thought: there's no way he's mafia. I knew/thought this because I had also thought about what I'd do if everyone started pointing fingers at me. When I was a "suspect" the first day, things like this came into my head, too.
Why would someone do that? Because you can't contribute to a town if you're suspicious to most players, and if getting yourself out of the way can pave the way to suspicion to the real mafia, that's good. Suspicion of one person can cloud someone's perception, and mafia members can profit from that.
So I thought ryant was town. I saw this, however, long after he had posted this. Others had already reacted and some sort of fight was going on. It was becoming fairly obvious ryant was going to be lynched.
Then he started insulting the town, saying we are idiots.
And then I thought: yes, perhaps he should be lynched. Because even if he's not the one lynched today, he will be a big suspect again tomorrow. And we'd be wasting our time.
I wasn't certain, of course, he wasn't mafia. But it seemed like a very strange and risky mafia tactic.
So perhaps it doesn't look to good for me after coming clean about this. The reason I didn't step forward is merely because I was a bit inactive (preoccupied irl) when this was going on and I felt it was too late afterwards.
However I want to come clean now, because it feels the best thing to do.
And also because I share ryant's point of view in this:
I feel many are getting suspicious of me. And I agree with ryant (if that's what he meant) that sometimes getting rid of a town player can benifit the town in the long run. I'm not saying you should lynch me, of course. But if everyone should find me too suspicious, go ahead and do it, and I won't try for any desperate attempt. But until that happens, I'm trying to find out who the mafia is here, just like the rest of you.
Hesitating and doubting to lynch has made me suspicious in the past, so I'll show my good faith now.
knockout's change of heart looks legit.
But he's a pretty good player at this game.
I vote to lynch jseadog, not because I am that more suspicious of him than others, but no-one in particular stands out to me now, and I do have one small thing I think makes jseadog a bit more suspicious to me.
It may sound stupid, and it's not much to go on, but I haven't got anything better atm. Jseadog, feel free to answer, I don't want to falsily accuse you.
When ryant got a couple of lynch votes, jseadog said the day was over. But it was a slight mistake and the day was not over yet. I remember when I was mafia I was sometimes very eager to get the day over with when a townie was the one with the lynch votes.
Ryant himself pointed this out, too, when jandal corrected jseadog's mistake.
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Short version Lynch baseballlover for two reasons:
1) As I don't have much hope to get trekbmc (back) to the living by voting for him I vote for the only other player that hasn't spoke out today. Just to make sure bbl will have to argue more than the last day.
2) As far as I remember bbl had not got any vote until now (correct me if I'm wrong) and therefore I'm eager to see him (for the first time) defending himself or point at someone else who might deserve it more to get lynched in his opinion.
Long version
As one of my two main suspects was lynched yesterday (and turned out to be innocent) and I tend to let my other suspect off the hook for reasons I stated at the end of day 2, everyone else is a suspect to me right now except hillis.
(To be honest: If both masons would have survived the night while someone else would have been killed, this would have been otherwise. In this case I might have seen a chance that marco and hillis had played a very risky but rewarding mafia-style game in pretending they're masons, hoping that the late trekbmc is one of the real masons and the other doesn't want to come out without trekbmc being there to confirm. But marco's dead has clearly dispersed any such thinking.)
So if everyone is a suspect, I think we should spend the early day 3 with getting everyone involved (especially those who hid themselves a bit at day 2) so we can prevent that most of us agree early on who should be lynched, allowing the mafia to lean back and enjoy (at least if we chose a townie). I think this happened at day 2 and that at least one of the two remaining mafia players hid because he / they couldn't win anything by talking rather than by remaining silent.
Therefore I suggest to concentrate (at least at the beginning of day 3) on those who weren't that active the last day. For we surely heard a lot e.g. from knockout and croatia, enabling us to form an opinion on them, but I would like to hear more from e.g. bbl or trekbmc (clearly). I hope hillis will tell us more of his thoughts for he is the only one out of suspicion for now (and maybe not there anymore on day 4 after the mafia started to go for the masons). To achieve those goals I vote for bbl.
I'm not completely convinced, because there are some criticals:
first of all, you posted in early afternoon that you were leaving to Germany, and you wont be very active in next days..ok but then you formulate a theory about knock and croatia interation, not something you can say without read a bit what happened some hours before, no mention to ryant case that actually was the most treated in day 2.
After this you just lynch him in the very last minutes of the day, "looking at some angry posts", haven't you seen before or you're only refering to his post #215? that's just one over many others..
I'll reveal a secret now, for the sake of the town. Because I believe a town CAN in fact benifit from seeing another townie lynched. Of course only in special circumstances.
When ryant proposed his self lynch, I thought: there's no way he's mafia. I knew/thought this because I had also thought about what I'd do if everyone started pointing fingers at me. When I was a "suspect" the first day, things like this came into my head, too.
Why would someone do that? Because you can't contribute to a town if you're suspicious to most players, and if getting yourself out of the way can pave the way to suspicion to the real mafia, that's good. Suspicion of one person can cloud someone's perception, and mafia members can profit from that.
So I thought ryant was town. I saw this, however, long after he had posted this. Others had already reacted and some sort of fight was going on. It was becoming fairly obvious ryant was going to be lynched.
Then he started insulting the town, saying we are idiots.
And then I thought: yes, perhaps he should be lynched. Because even if he's not the one lynched today, he will be a big suspect again tomorrow. And we'd be wasting our time.
Good, you were right, wasn't it a comment to put on the table before? There was the time to argue his lynch votes, as you can see many others (that also vote for him) intervened after during the day, maybe was a try to spend if you thought he was townie, and don't tell me that was good lynch him also knowing was a townie with the reason he divert real suspects, becuase his behaviour was really conditioned by many people not trusting in him (in particular both masons, that's can be quite frustrating), and lynch him was anyway a day spent to lynch a townie and not a mafia, fulfilling the much questionable situation that this action want to avoid.
in the end, I'm not pointing at you when you didn't have more than two choices, both suspicious, as you say here
Basically you are in a bad position anyway. The dice were already cast. If I didn't propose a lynch, you'd say I didn't participate and that would be suspicious.
If I did lynch (like I did), you'd say... well, what you said.
but when you really had the time to make the third one, and help the dispute
I am leaving for Germany tomorrow morning. Sorry if that got misunderstood. I am not gone yet, though packed and ready now!
Whatever else, I do want to make clear that I am not using that as a trick for the game. I wouldn't lie about a real life event to hide something in the game, here I give you my word. Even if I were mafia, I wouldn't use such lies as a tactic, honestly.
