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Mafia VIII | Dumbtell or Scumtell?
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| jseadog1 |
Posted on 02-04-2019 12:29
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Croatia14 wrote:
knockout wrote:
ryant wrote:
WHO'S FUCKING MAFIA NOW KNOCKOUT???? LOL
IS IT IAN? ME? CROATIA? AQUARIUS??? KANDES? DF_TREK???
Nah no way Aquarius is mafia. That would be too obvious.
@jdog: Id be happy with a quick lynch now. I dont think we'll get much more different opinions that go against the current voting.
By the way very atypical for knockout, cause quicklynching never helps the townies, as, as knockout already stated himself, as much discussion as possible is needed in order to learn more about people. Also, it helps the non-voters or rare-discussion-participants to hide.
Again, knockout is playing against his own principals, and while he was helpful a lot at the beginning, he's grown to more and more empty words and in comparison to his normal self very weak playing style. At this point I am quite convinced that this is intentional and he is mafia, most likely partnering up with one of the guys hiding that didn't even vote on anybody yet. Best guess bbl right now.
Not arguing with your logic but in that case you have no reason to vote for me...
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 02-04-2019 12:37
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jseadog1 wrote:
Not arguing with your logic but in that case you have no reason to vote for me...
Hence I've already changed to knockout a couple of posts ago 
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| jseadog1 |
Posted on 02-04-2019 13:44
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Croatia14 wrote:
jseadog1 wrote:
Not arguing with your logic but in that case you have no reason to vote for me...
Hence I've already changed to knockout a couple of posts ago
 sorry its been a long night and I posted that within 5 mins of getting up.
Here is an update:
ryant - 5 VOTES (Marcovdw, hillis91, knockout, baseballlover312, jseadog1)
Croatia14 - 2 VOTES (df_trek, kandesbunzler26)
knockout - 2 VOTES (Croatia14, knockout)
No Vote - Ian Butler, trekbmc
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 02-04-2019 13:55
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jseadog1 wrote:
Croatia14 wrote:
jseadog1 wrote:
Not arguing with your logic but in that case you have no reason to vote for me...
Hence I've already changed to knockout a couple of posts ago
sorry its been a long night and I posted that within 5 mins of getting up.
Here is an update:
ryant - 5 VOTES (Marcovdw, hillis91, knockout, baseballlover312, jseadog1)
Croatia14 - 2 VOTES (df_trek, kandesbunzler26)
knockout - 2 VOTES (Croatia14, knockout)
No Vote - Ian Butler, trekbmc
second vote for knockout is ryant btw
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 02-04-2019 21:59
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so a day where basically nobody posted is a lost day for the town - what's wrong right now?
also:
hillis has been online on daily, trek has been online on skype - why can't you at least quickly state your position and have a vote here!?
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| ryant |
Posted on 02-04-2019 23:33
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Might as well post again lol
I don't understand knockout's reasoning for voting for me as I go against most of his logic in post #86 of his, if I was really mafia would I really stick my neck out on the line day 1 for Aquarius???
Another big problem I have is knockout is that theres still been no explanation why his opinion of Ian has drastically changed from post #86 of his to #166. Ian goes from one of his main mafia suspects to being safe??? And I ask why???
His explanation isn't watertight at all to illicit such a drastic change in opinion, I've explained in #181 and Ian himself acknowledges in #131 that the mafia is most LIKELY going to join the Aquarius lynch train when it gains momentum, not go and try to find a new target to lynch... So knockout's reasoning that changing your lynch vote from hillis to Aquarius makes you instantly town doesn't feel right for me - I've stated that this feels like deliberate deception and the town follows it.
This is how mafia is meant to play, you are meant to be subtle in how you change the town's opinion towards A) yourself and B) other mafia members. Not make a stand and make a war cry on how you don't want your mafia buddies getting lynched. This is the most important play strat that knockout themselves says mafia should do: Fit in. So his belief I am mafia because I stand out? (and question him) goes against his own logic!!!
All I ask is the town to actually read this: honestly feels like every post Ive made has been ignored and form opinions of your own -> bbl distinctly has blindly followed knockout and hasn't offered much during this game.
I still feel knockout, Ian (most likely mafia duo for me) df_trek (unexplained lynch vote day 1) and maybe??? bbl (more likely to be clueless town for me) stand out as the most suspicious for me
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| df_Trek |
Posted on 03-04-2019 01:24
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I explained my lynch to you in second part of that post, I told there was many people not doing anything to make some ideas together, and you were quite inactive so I made your name, don't forget that once you attended with the shift hillis->no lynch I was the only one that felt your good intentions, and I immediately removed the vote from you with my logical interpretation of your behaviour. I don't think you have to be lynched but many people don't feel the same, because probably you didn't act in the smartest way (lynch yourself for example)
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| hillis91 |
Posted on 03-04-2019 01:33
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I’ve made my position very clear.
Did not think I had to clearify anything.
I’ve been online and reading all of this.
I’m a bit more on the fence now then earlier, but I’m still going to keep my vote. I reserve the right to change later.
However, the way Ryant has acted has been weird to say the least. Calling us idiots, writing in all caps and voting for himself to mention a few things.
All of this makes it all seem very desperate and suspicious. However, it can also be the panic of a townie on his way to be wrongfully lynched. But that self vote is what’s keeping me on the Lynch trail stil.
What was the point of that move?
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| knockout |
Posted on 03-04-2019 06:23
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hillis91 wrote:
All of this makes it all seem very desperate and suspicious. However, it can also be the panic of a townie on his way to be wrongfully lynched. But that self vote is what’s keeping me on the Lynch trail stil.
But why even panic when croatia was on the same vote count. That alone should tell him that selfvoting is totally stupid at that point. Unless he knows for sure that Croatia is the same alignment...
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 03-04-2019 08:14
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I'm sorry hillis, somehow thought you didn't for what and Ian Butler did.  Then the same applies now for Ian Butler. Why do you shut up instead of speaking out?
Also: does nobody see how knockout changed from argumentation to repeating the same speculations numerous times again and again? Can it be a coincidemce that he changed from finding a solution to doing shittalks? Well maybe because he at first tried to set up the game and be the good guy while now trying to lay back on that effort and knock out the town one by one.
@df_trek: Well right now you're lynching me and not Ryant. Do you still believe I'm more likely Mafia than anybody else here?
@hillis: but wouldn't a mafia guy more likely try to defend himself in a calm manner arguing for others than bringing up self-centeded emotional defences!?
@knockout: If you're mafia then fair play, if you're a townie then please break out if the narrow corridor you've shrieked down for yourself on day 2.
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| knockout |
Posted on 03-04-2019 10:11
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Croatia14 wrote:
I'm sorry hillis, somehow thought you didn't for what and Ian Butler did. Then the same applies now for Ian Butler. Why do you shut up instead of speaking out?
Also: does nobody see how knockout changed from argumentation to repeating the same speculations numerous times again and again? Can it be a coincidemce that he changed from finding a solution to doing shittalks? Well maybe because he at first tried to set up the game and be the good guy while now trying to lay back on that effort and knock out the town one by one.
@knockout: If you're mafia then fair play, if you're a townie then please break out if the narrow corridor you've shrieked down for yourself on day 2.
"knock out" I see what you did there 
I think everyone saw that i changed my play a bit the last two days. But noticing it is only step one and step two has to be to find the reason or intention behind that. In this case ill use lazyness as my excuse: i believe that there is a very good chance that aquarius, ryant and you are the mafia trio. Basically the entire town except ryant and you have one of them as their current most suspicious guy and many have the other one on our scum radar too. It looks very unlikely that another one will get lynched today.
When i wrote down a long analysis i want to convince the rest of the town of my opinion. Now i dont need to convince anyone. That first post where i suggested a Aquarius or Ian waggon took me between 5 and 6 hours to write, the bandwaggon analysis between 2 and 3. Time is too valuable to spend it on this game if the posts dont change anything on the result.
In the (imo unlikely) case that ryant is protown i will stop shittalking (to use your word) but until then i dont see the point in outting lots of energy on this day.
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 03-04-2019 13:14
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I think everyone saw that i changed my play a bit the last two days. But noticing it is only step one and step two has to be to find the reason or intention behind that. In this case ill use lazyness as my excuse: i believe that there is a very good chance that aquarius, ryant and you are the mafia trio. Basically the entire town except ryant and you have one of them as their current most suspicious guy and many have the other one on our scum radar too. It looks very unlikely that another one will get lynched today.
When i wrote down a long analysis i want to convince the rest of the town of my opinion. Now i dont need to convince anyone. That first post where i suggested a Aquarius or Ian waggon took me between 5 and 6 hours to write, the bandwaggon analysis between 2 and 3. Time is too valuable to spend it on this game if the posts dont change anything on the result.
While I understand your time-reasoning, not being focused on gathering more information and being stuck on objection that I know (of course you can't know) is objectively false is something I just didn't expect. I would've expected you broadening your horizon of theories by trying to at least get some information of people like trekbmc or Ian Butler, by voting on them or whatever, somehow encouraging other parties to speak up. Cause your current position in combination with your previous in-depth posts kind of offers them a space to lean on. And as I know the town, which I am part of, will suffer from these lost opportunities. Which is why it makes me so sad that obviously loads of townies rely on a false theory.
And the problem is: It should definitely change something for the sake of heling the town.
In the (imo unlikely) case that ryant is protown i will stop shittalking (to use your word) but until then i dont see the point in outting lots of energy on this day.
Obviously I only have a strong feeling that he is a townie, stated that numerous times before. But as it's likely that ryant is going to be lynched: I'd like to know what you'd do if you figure out he's pro town after he's been lynched. Who'd you suspect next? What would your suspect on me look like? Because right now I guess it will look exactly like this, and then we have no time to waste on finally chasing the real mafia and not framing two townies.
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Posted on 03-04-2019 13:50
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A little point of concern to me is how many people have failed to participate throughout Day 2. Surely we will be in deep trouble if ryant is pro-town and the mafia takes out a confirmed townie that has been participating. Marco & hillis are 2 names that come to mind. knockout comes to mind as well because as much as everyone is still on the fence I am confident that he is town.
I have not been exonerated from being mafia yet but it is finally starting to lean that way to the other members which could even put me in danger. Regardless, I think Day 3 should be spent looking at those that might not have been playing as much such as trekbmc and Ian Butler.
Not that Croatia should be suddenly exonerated either, but at least he is actively playing the game. I don't like the excuse of "I'm here but I just like to see what is going on without posting." There is surely always something to post and bring to the table. We should be able to learn alot from the mafia kill overnight.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 03-04-2019 14:08
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Sorry for the long silence. Some busy, busy days. I'll try to read up, but I was also a bit confused because I thought the day was to end automatically when a majority of votes was reached and therefor we shouldn't post anymore?
I'm not sure.
Anyway, I'm leaving for Germany in 2 days, I'll be gone 14 days. Obviously the Germans have internet 
I'll try to log in at least once a day.
However, if it shouldn't be possible, whether I say I can't keep up or if I stop logging in (Not sure yet where I'll be), I'll let you judge best what that means.
Sorry about it, should've thought about this trip before entering in the game. but if I have internet there and a few minutes free per day, there's no problem.
One last comment (but I should catch up properly, only half-read through it now) is that I will laugh hard if Croatia and knockout are both town, or both mafia. Because it looks to me like one of them is mafia. Have no hard evidence right now, but mostly because of their interaction with each other. But I could be wrong, and I'll laugh if it turns out they're both playing pro-town. |
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Posted on 03-04-2019 15:33
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Ah the classic laziness/not got time excuse from knockout lol that's totally never been deployed as a mafia strat before. This is why I get so mad because you prefer to lynch someone who doesn't remotely play like a mafia member, and blindly follow someone who quite clearly does.
2 long winded posts that said precisely nothing new (quelle surprise) and IGNORES post #206 (and #181 for that matter completely). This doesnt require loads of thinking, just an explanation!!! How is Ian safe in your eyes? WHY???
You might want town to forget this but I wont let you!!!
This town is laughably poor, I give them direction, nothing, no discussion whatsoever, and you wonder why I call you lot idiots...
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 03-04-2019 16:18
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Thank you for posting Ian. I see what you are doing, but I don't like to see you leaving without a lynch vote, which looks just like hiding from a decision.
Ian Butler wrote:
Anyway, I'm leaving for Germany in 2 days, I'll be gone 14 days. Obviously the Germans have internet
No, we are fucking that up for long now...
One last comment (but I should catch up properly, only half-read through it now) is that I will laugh hard if Croatia and knockout are both town, or both mafia. Because it looks to me like one of them is mafia. Have no hard evidence right now, but mostly because of their interaction with each other. But I could be wrong, and I'll laugh if it turns out they're both playing pro-town.
If you turn out to be mafia, then we should keep this particular statement in mind. Because that sounds like a well placed advert for future framing of one of us if you lynch one of us and that person is pro-town at the end of the day (doubtably for knockout, but the case for me).
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| knockout |
Posted on 03-04-2019 17:12
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Ryant - its not that i didnt have the time, its that i dont want to spend the time if i dont need to. If you want i can reply to any of your posts on the next day if you happen to be protown but right now i dont see the use in it.
Regarding Croatia: I think Croatia would likely still be my day 3 target because he had a couple of posts that look very scummy to me even if my theory of ryant being the third part of the group turns out wrong (also note that kanzler got the same theory independently from me). E.g.
Croatia14 wrote:
Also I think Ian Butler is Mafia right now, but we dont have enough votes for that it seems. His posts look strange to me. Again he's trying to lynch on the bandwagon again. I'd be comfortable with lynching one of df_trek, ryant, Ian Butler, jseadog, bbl, (sammyt). Others I think should survive at least tonight.
Also: everybody be ready to switch votes very quickly. If new information/cases or suspicious statements occur, f.e. ifwe could come close of lynching the terrorist and he bombs, that may give us new ideas in quick time. So I urge everybody to try and be somehow able to check daily in the last 30 minutes before the deadline and react accordingly to new developments if necessary
This one is one of them. He is comfortable with lynching six different town members and highlights that ian is mafia for reasons he doesnt state and struggles to remember later. Six is a huge number imo for this but lets look at who is missing from the list:
- himself: obviously
- 2 confirmed masons: no other read was acceptable (not included in the thoughts below)
- trekbmc: who disappeared without a trace
- me: the guy he seemed to heavily suspect so far and apparently just no day 1 lynch material
- aquarius: the mafia member
- kanzler: imo understandable
So somehow the read he had on aquarius seemingly mostly based on him supporting the mason claim idea and trekbmc based on what? (Turning inactive? Making one random vote on the beginning of the day? Having a cool mg team?) Puts them both into the top 3 ( still unknown / contested ) most likely town members so far. I kinda doubt it. but carry on:
So why the strong Ian statement and why am i excluded from the list? I believe that might be connected. At first i thought he was testing me or other possible town members whether i/they would rather jump on that train (especially me because i suggested i would want either a lynch train on aquarius or ian earlier).
After the mafia flip and the lack of explanation by cro i think of it differently: I think he was leaving me out of that list especially because he wanted me to support his attempt to derail the aquarius waggon and figured that the best choice for that was to get me on board with ian.
Should ryant turn out protown then it would obviously need a look at the other unconfirmed townies again (id mostly focus on their arguments and tone of posts on day 1 i guess) but honestly i doubt that my opinion would change a lot since those statements by you still look convincing to me. And the mason claim one gets weaker but i think i would still use it against you even if ryant is protown. Id have to look at the rest with more detail to see which ones still look incriminating against you
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Posted on 03-04-2019 18:56
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So why the strong Ian statement and why am i excluded from the list? I believe that might be connected. At first i thought he was testing me or other possible town members whether i/they would rather jump on that train (especially me because i suggested i would want either a lynch train on aquarius or ian earlier).
After the mafia flip and the lack of explanation by cro i think of it differently: I think he was leaving me out of that list especially because he wanted me to support his attempt to derail the aquarius waggon and figured that the best choice for that was to get me on board with ian.
You've got to be kidding me. I stated multiple times that you are a suspect to me, but that I'd keep you alive for 2 reasons in night 1.
1. You're prone to be killed early by the mafia anyway if you are town, so better wait to see whether the mafia does the job.
2. You did a good job of setting up analysis at the beginning hence I would've preferred to keep you in the game at first for the fact that you may have been a valuable town member if my day 1 suspicion turns out to be wrong.
And indeed, it turned out to be wrong. You're not a valuable town member. You're either a town member on the wrong track or mafia, hence I have absolutely no problem lynching you at this point.
To all other: I stated both arguments already on day 1. I hope you once again recognize the flaws in knockouts argumentation towards me.
To the only post knockout mentioned: Maybe we have other ideas on "comfortable lynching", but you may see that it's a list that is mainly meant to exclude others if you'd put it into context. This can be f.e. seen on the point of putting sammy in brackets. Yes, I did assume that Aquarius is pro-town. But so did others right!? It was just a list of who I tend to trust after a day only based on their posts and nothing more.
Also, you make it sound as if I wanted to lynch all 5 people on the list, which is obviously not true. Therefore I stated my lynch vote and my suspicions on Ian Butler quite clearly to show who my favorite persons to lynch were. I see that compromising is not your strong side, but I guess that's due to the role you play here. But here you can see that my plan was on cooperation despite having stated before whom I trusted the least at that point. But again, your flipping my words in order to try and draw me in a shady light.
And if you still talk about me not explaining my moves than you gotta take the f***ing time it needs to reread all the posts and understand what has happened. Right now your narrow theories are just ridiculous. I'm not sure whether it's hilarious or disillusioning that people still jump on the wagon of framing me (and ryant) that you've been part of setting up. |
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 03-04-2019 19:01
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Also remember the chance that ryant is mafia is 1 to 11 as if he'd be the terrorist he would've killed himself already. I guess some morons and some smart mafia guys killed a townie ffs. But well, who would've guessed...
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| jseadog1 |
Posted on 03-04-2019 19:07
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Croatia14 wrote:
Also remember the chance that ryant is mafia is 1 to 11 as if he'd be the terrorist he would've killed himself already. I guess some morons and some smart mafia guys killed a townie ffs. But well, who would've guessed...
2 things about that:
1. Aquarius could have been terrorist though correct? Unless thats revealed when the day ends.
2. He could be waiting until the last possible second to make a move. But being only 1 lynch away from going away, it would not be smart to wait. So the likelihood of him being the terrorist is low.
I seem to agree with you at this point on many points but we are too late in the day to get a lynch on someone else especially being that you are in 2nd place right now still correct? I am leading to believe you are town at this point.
I am still quite annoyed by those who are not participating especially the no vote by Ian that makes me quite suspicious.
Also, 2 hours until deadline.
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