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Mafia VIII | Dumbtell or Scumtell?
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Posted on 26-11-2024 22:47
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| df_Trek |
Posted on 28-03-2019 18:47
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now, with this post ryant you say more to than every other words you spent here, and this made me think you are not mafia, for the timing you were posting it.
You posted it when everyone was jumping on Aquarius, and if I was with an hillis vote on I would have done the same thing for a precise reason: I'm not sure 100% aquarius is mafia, so if you voted for him and then it would have turned out that he was not a mafia, your move was an easy bandwagoning accusation, but at the same time you are indirectly promoting a lynch to a quite suspicius player, and if he is mafia you made a good decision aswell. So I can't say for sure you are 100% townie but I can understand your move, also to reply to knockout that condemned your vote no lynch for a reason I don't know why...said this I can't understand your vote to me
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| df_Trek |
Posted on 28-03-2019 18:51
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oh, and I explained the reason on my vote on you in the post I made, that was the answer
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Posted on 28-03-2019 18:54
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and I forgot again, bas from my pov now I edit my vote on Lynch Aquarius
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Posted on 28-03-2019 18:55
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df_Trek wrote:
and I forgot again, bas from my pov now I edit my vote on Lynch Aquarius
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 28-03-2019 18:59
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Okay, fair enough. Then it's Aquarius that goes...
Will explained detailed on Ian next day knockout
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Posted on 28-03-2019 19:03
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A quick question to jandal as I'm new:
How long will the night approximately be? |
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Posted on 28-03-2019 19:04
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Night 1:
The town received word there were three mafiosos in their midst and had a long and possibly productive discussion, eventually late in the day they voted to lynch the suspicious Aquarius97. And what a choice, as they have caught their first mafia member!
Roles:
Aquarius97
Alive:
trekbmc
Croatia14
knockout
Ian Butler
df_Trek
Marcovdw
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ryant
jseadog1
hillis91
kandesbunzler26
sammyt93
24 hours for night roles.
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Posted on 29-03-2019 20:28
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Day 2:
The town woke up this morning and went about their day, unfortunately quite quickly they realised someone was missing. It was sammyt93, who was found dead in his living room - his morning cuppa wasn't a cuppa what he thought. The town all agrees that this was the doing of the mafia.
Roles:
Aquarius97
sammyt93
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trekbmc
Croatia14
knockout
Ian Butler
df_Trek
Marcovdw
baseballlover312
ryant
jseadog1
hillis91
kandesbunzler26
Deadline is on the evening of the 3rd GMT, exact deadline will come with about 48 hours to go. |
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| Marcovdw |
Posted on 29-03-2019 20:48
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Marcovdw wrote:
Lynch Aquarius and if he turns out to be mafia, ryant gets my vote tomorrow.
I'm a man of my word. Ryant appeared to wat Aquarius alive at all cost, which is obviously a sign of him being mafia.
Lynch ryant
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 29-03-2019 20:56
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Okay, I think trekbmc is almost certainly town. Aquarius wanted to lynch him BEFORE there were a lot of votes against him.
If it were later, it could be a mafia strategy to put trekbmc out of the light, but he did it too early and it'd be a very nerve-wrecking thing to do for mafia.
I don't believe it.
So I really believe trekbmc is a confirmed townie. |
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Posted on 29-03-2019 21:02
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Marcovdw wrote:
Marcovdw wrote:
Lynch Aquarius and if he turns out to be mafia, ryant gets my vote tomorrow.
I'm a man of my word. Ryant appeared to wat Aquarius alive at all cost, which is obviously a sign of him being mafia.
Lynch ryant
Would the mafia really pull such a all-or-nothing strategy?
Ryant - as mafia - must've known, or at least heavily suspected, Aquarius would hang. Would he then stick his neck out for him? I don't buy it.
If I was mafia and I sensed a lynching coming, I'd distance myself from Aquarius as much as possible.
Not saying Ryant is townie, though. But just that his defence of Aquarius doesn't look like mafia behaviour to me, particularly. |
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Posted on 29-03-2019 21:05
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I'm also trying to figure out why sammy was killed, but I think we should refrain from drawing any conclusions there. I think the mafia acted randomly. Or picked a generally helpful townie, but rather random.
We could go have a look at who sammy was focusing on, suspicious of. But we'd learn nothing. Because we could go in circles: he said "x" was supicious, means that mafia was afraid he'd be found out and killed him. No, they want to frame "x"... So we couldn't learn a thing. |
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| ryant |
Posted on 29-03-2019 21:15
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Marcovdw wrote:
Aquarius already had 4 votes at the time of posting, so either you miscounted or you're trying to get people off Aquarius by pointing out we might lynch a confirmed townie. As I said I consider Aquarius more probable to be mafia than df_trek, and I don't know what your supreme evidence is that Aquarius is definitely not mafia.
Lynch Aquarius and if he turns out to be mafia, ryant gets my vote tomorrow.
I'm sorry but at that time, I was basing my information of Jseadog, who got the count wrong, not once but twice. Yet I'm the one who is trying to deceive the town?
Everything I've done I've explained - I was uncomfortable with lynching Aquarius because I thought the reason why he was originally under suspicion was based on his first post? Which I believed wasn't strong enough to warrant lynching him.
Now I was going to base my defence on Sammy, but hes dead and I'm going to spend the majority of the day (I presume) to try and defend myself. All I can say is that I'm a member of the town and I lynched "wrong".
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Posted on 29-03-2019 21:32
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Ian Butler wrote:
I'm also trying to figure out why sammy was killed, but I think we should refrain from drawing any conclusions there. I think the mafia acted randomly. Or picked a generally helpful townie, but rather random.
We could go have a look at who sammy was focusing on, suspicious of. But we'd learn nothing. Because we could go in circles: he said "x" was supicious, means that mafia was afraid he'd be found out and killed him. No, they want to frame "x"... So we couldn't learn a thing.
I was going to think that Sammy was likely to be mafia based on the "coordination" of his post trying to lynch Kandesbunzler, but then he was killed off - which kind of proved my point that the original suspicion on Aquarius was based off a coincidence rather than anything "sinister".
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I think we will learn a lot from the first mafia kill, who they take out might tell us more than who gets lynched unless we get enough discussion going beforehand. We definitely shouldn’t get complacent about the long days.
From the discussion so far Jseadog hasn’t done anything to convince me he is town. His opening post was about how helpful he has been in previous editions and comes across as deflective and doesn’t contribute anything productive.
He ends it by seemingly trying to bandwagon on somebody who had both votes on them rescinded and changed to different people.
His latest post is again just fluff, he does give a weak defence of knockout, but the logic falls short considering that is how knockout acted when he was previously mafia and spent the whole game trying to get my lynched in my first game.
I’m not saying he definitely is mafia but so far he comes across as suspicious.
How would the masons claiming early help us? If they do so and we believe them then one gets targeted by mafia and the doctor has to save the other one all game, if they don’t get targeted do we then assume a doctor save or do we think it was mafia false claiming, either way doesn’t exactly help us as it casts doubt over the claim.
I can’t actually recall a game where this role has helped us as both being alive late doesn’t seem to happen.
I don't think I've heard enough to cast solid blame or doubt on anyone else but jseadog's response is the most suspicious so far to me.
Sammy was extremely suspicious of Jseadog, so mafia killing him could be an intentional hitjob on him since Sammy specifically said these words. Of course we could be going around in circles with this logic anyway but that's my 2 cents. He also stated he'd prefer lynching df_trek over Aquarius too - doesn't exonerate him like Jseadog but I'm not sure what you guys think?
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| jseadog1 |
Posted on 29-03-2019 21:44
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Ian Butler wrote:
I'm also trying to figure out why sammy was killed, but I think we should refrain from drawing any conclusions there. I think the mafia acted randomly. Or picked a generally helpful townie, but rather random.
We could go have a look at who sammy was focusing on, suspicious of. But we'd learn nothing. Because we could go in circles: he said "x" was supicious, means that mafia was afraid he'd be found out and killed him. No, they want to frame "x"... So we couldn't learn a thing.
This is what honestly worries me at this point. I was expecting to argue with sammy all of day 2. I would certainly understand why the town would debate over me now due to your above message but would also hope the town does not waste all of Day 2 arguing over me also for reasons stated above.
We should potentially look at who all was being targeted by Aquarius but even then it may not be very effective. I don't want to proclaim knockout as the leader of the town because he could be mafia but I really want to see what he thinks about everything at this point. He brings very good conversation to the table and sparks conversation.
Also regarding ryant's last post, I am interested to see what df_trek has to say in response to that. Croatia also said he would explain the whole Ian situation which I will wait for also. I think it should be stated at this time if anybody is going to be away this weekend so we know you are not just hiding from us.
Also, 1 question for everyone. If Aquarius was a terrorist would that be revealed? Or is it only revealed that he was mafia and nothing more?
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| kandesbunzler26 |
Posted on 29-03-2019 21:51
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kandesbunzler26 wrote:
Croatia14 wrote:
I don't like lynching Aquarius either - he stepped first on the wagon of masons showing themselves asap when no mainstream opinion was built, something I don't think he would've done this early if mafia.
This seems like a solid point to me, though following knockout it could be a well planned mafia move (from Aquarius and maybe croatia too). But I think this is a discussion for day 2.
Following this earlier reasoning of mine I draw three conclusions:
1) I should suspect myself of being mafia for this particular post (especially as it made me refuse to vote for Aquarius despite him being the natural next choice for me after hillis has been cleared).
2) This post of croatia smells like mafia in retrospect. I'm too tired to look back to croatias other posts (especially regarding Aquarius) right now, but I surely think we should have a clearer look at those (maybe I'll do it myself tomorrow). I'm not ready to vote for croatia before this, but he's clearly my number one suspect at the moment.
3) Following Ians post #130 I let off trekbmc for there are enough things to investigate after this interesting first lynch and first night, especially as his absence gives us no further information. And though this was my reason to vote for him, I think there are much more promising hints to follow now.
I think I have to get a bit deeper into the other suspicions that where uttered the last two days (concerning ryant, df_trek, jseadog and certainly one or two others I don't recall just now) before I'm able to say something well-founded regarding those. |
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Posted on 29-03-2019 21:55
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Ian Butler wrote:
Okay, I think trekbmc is almost certainly town. Aquarius wanted to lynch him BEFORE there were a lot of votes against him.
If it were later, it could be a mafia strategy to put trekbmc out of the light, but he did it too early and it'd be a very nerve-wrecking thing to do for mafia.
I don't believe it.
So I really believe trekbmc is a confirmed townie.
I want to quote from my analysis about Aquarius:
He hides his vote for trek (with the least possible explanation) between a smart sounding post about masons (which actually is good) and a bit of defense for the timing thing. It doesnt look like he wants to get trek lynched which a lynch vote at this point probably should and it can be very easily changed later in the game without having to rely on the earlier position taken. If trek makes another good post he can easily switch to someone else as it fits him while if he doesnt post he sits a lone bandwaggoner on a townie that isnt going to get lynched tonight. win-win for him if he were mafia.
- doesnt look like he wants trek lynched
- it was unlikely that it would lead to a lynch
- the vote can be easily removed if trek starts posting again
I dont see any reason why one would consider him as confirmed town now!
Id be cautious to announce someone outside of our masons duo as a confirmed townie. We can exclude certain people for now to concentrate the discussion on seemingly more important things but even those will have to be checked again later. Trek however is none of those who can be excluded since his actions definitely haven't helped the town yet.
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| df_Trek |
Posted on 29-03-2019 22:33
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the kill of Sammy proved me that I was wrong on why I voted for Aquarius at the end. Imo the kill of Aquarius is quite fortunate, based on mystified concepts. In this day 2 I wanted to go deeper over the link between them, because after their first similar post, seems they avoided to cross their roads again. About his suspect over me, I think it was just a strategy to make clean their gaffe and demonstrate to the city his rights that was just a casual coincidence. With the kill of Aquarius and with the possibility (than eventually was) to be mafia was obvious that most would have charged him on day 2, included me.
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Posted on 29-03-2019 22:33
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jseadog1 wrote:
We should potentially look at who all was being targeted by Aquarius but even then it may not be very effective. I don't want to proclaim knockout as the leader of the town because he could be mafia but I really want to see what he thinks about everything at this point. He brings very good conversation to the table and sparks conversation.
Honestly, i dont want to lead the town on this day from the beginning. There is a lot of information out there to be analyzed and discussed and i feel like some other players should step up first to try analyzing the situation. I think that if i am again the person to shout the loudest right from the beginning of this day then we are in danger of creating a bubble where my thoughts dominate the discussion a bit too much and information that i overlook might not be processed as much. It always helps to have multiple opinions to form the whole picture. Oh, and i want to read more from the rest of the town.
Especially those that were rather inactive, focussed a lot on only one or two player or pushed hard for one of the counter-Aquarius wagons at the end should talk now. If you want to analyze the night kill too feel free to do so but it shouldnt replace the analysis of the remaining other players and what happened at the end of the day.
Knowing me I won't keep my mouth shut for too long so you will hear some of my thoughts in time too. The longer days give me the chance to wait a bit with posts.
Also, 1 question for everyone. If Aquarius was a terrorist would that be revealed? Or is it only revealed that he was mafia and nothing more?
It wouldnt have been revealed. Just the alignment (mafia / town) is announced.
But by proxy we should assume that any terrorist would have used the bomb and therefore he wasnt. Not that it would change the further play any further.
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| df_Trek |
Posted on 29-03-2019 23:06
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ryant wrote:
Fuck it I'm lynching df_trek rather he would get lynched over Aquarius and I believe if its 3 vs 3 then hillis would get lynched in the tie break? (Which obviously I don't want to happen and voting no one doesn't help Aquarius either)
Croatia I want you to vote on df_trek!!!
I still think ryant is pro town, but I want hear more why was so fervent, and why Croatia and not Ian, Hillis or someone else had to lynch me
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