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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 07-11-2018 11:14
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Champ_Armstrong wrote:
moromete wrote:
I wish Trek would put the same level of attention into rider recruitment and contract security as they clearly put into the design of the jerseys (the Sosa affair has left a really bad taste in my mouth, even if it's unclear how much the team itself is at fault and how much the problem lies with the agents the rider).
Totally agree in your point.
Unfortunately their quality in performance and squad does not even come close to their excellent designs. But they're getting closer! I'm glad for the transfers..
Matteo Moschetti (Polartec-Kometa, 2020 - Stagiaire 2018)
Richie Porte (BMC Racing Team, 2020)
William Clarke (EF Education First, 2020)
Alex Kirsch (WB Aqua Protect Veranclassic, 2020)
Giulio Ciccone (Bardiani CSF, 2020)
Edward Theuns (Team Sunweb, 2019)
No matter what. When you take an american bike producer and an Italian coffee company to combine a cycling team, it doesn't get any better than that 
Yes it does 
Former World Champion, Lizzie Deignan. Former Ronde winner, Elisa Longo Borghini. Former World Champion Ellen van Dijk. Current TTT World Champion, Trixi Worrack. Current French ITT NC, Audrey Cordon-Ragot. Former Gent-Wevelgem winner, Lotta Lepisto. Former MTB World Champion, Jolanda Neff. Top Talent, Letizia Paternoster.
Plus proven contenders in Ruth Winder, Anna Plichta, Abigail Van Twisk and Loretta Hanson.
And the goddess that is Taylor Wiles.
Basically Trek-Segafredo have built one of the strongest teams around, packed with proven talent and high potential riders. And all on guaranteed minimum wage contracts that most teams still won't match.
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| Champ_Armstrong |
Posted on 07-11-2018 12:00
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Champ_Armstrong wrote:
moromete wrote:
I wish Trek would put the same level of attention into rider recruitment and contract security as they clearly put into the design of the jerseys (the Sosa affair has left a really bad taste in my mouth, even if it's unclear how much the team itself is at fault and how much the problem lies with the agents the rider).
Totally agree in your point.
Unfortunately their quality in performance and squad does not even come close to their excellent designs. But they're getting closer! I'm glad for the transfers..
Matteo Moschetti (Polartec-Kometa, 2020 - Stagiaire 2018)
Richie Porte (BMC Racing Team, 2020)
William Clarke (EF Education First, 2020)
Alex Kirsch (WB Aqua Protect Veranclassic, 2020)
Giulio Ciccone (Bardiani CSF, 2020)
Edward Theuns (Team Sunweb, 2019)
No matter what. When you take an american bike producer and an Italian coffee company to combine a cycling team, it doesn't get any better than that
Yes it does
Former World Champion, Lizzie Deignan. Former Ronde winner, Elisa Longo Borghini. Former World Champion Ellen van Dijk. Current TTT World Champion, Trixi Worrack. Current French ITT NC, Audrey Cordon-Ragot. Former Gent-Wevelgem winner, Lotta Lepisto. Former MTB World Champion, Jolanda Neff. Top Talent, Letizia Paternoster.
Plus proven contenders in Ruth Winder, Anna Plichta, Abigail Van Twisk and Loretta Hanson.
And the goddess that is Taylor Wiles.
Basically Trek-Segafredo have built one of the strongest teams around, packed with proven talent and high potential riders. And all on guaranteed minimum wage contracts that most teams still won't match.
Not to forget! +1
Pain is temporary. Quitting lasts forever.
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| df_Trek |
Posted on 09-11-2018 00:29
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Apparently, Andrea Tafi (52) signed a contract with a team that will likely get a WC for Paris - Roubaix
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| Yellow Jersey |
Posted on 09-11-2018 01:06
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df_Trek wrote:
Apparently, Andrea Tafi (52) signed a contract with a team that will likely get a WC for Paris - Roubaix
This post smells like Direct Energie
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| Champ_Armstrong |
Posted on 09-11-2018 10:05
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This smells like a Museeuw comeback too!
Pain is temporary. Quitting lasts forever.
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| Champ_Armstrong |
Posted on 09-11-2018 10:06
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This smells like a Museeuw comeback too!
Pain is temporary. Quitting lasts forever.
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 09-11-2018 10:58
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Yellow Jersey wrote:
df_Trek wrote:
Apparently, Andrea Tafi (52) signed a contract with a team that will likely get a WC for Paris - Roubaix
This post smells like Direct Energie
my pick is Androni and they negotiated with the ASO about wildcards...
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| FreitasPCM |
Posted on 09-11-2018 22:10
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Astana have increased their Colombian armada with Hernando Bohórquez, twice top-10 finisher in U23 World Championships. |
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| ivaneurope |
Posted on 10-11-2018 08:06
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FreitasPCM wrote:
Astana have increased their Colombian armada with Hernando Bohórquez, twice top-10 finisher in U23 World Championships.
Sky and Astana have raided young Colombian talents - Bernal, Sosa, Bohórquez to name a few.
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 10-11-2018 09:08
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ivaneurope wrote:
FreitasPCM wrote:
Astana have increased their Colombian armada with Hernando Bohórquez, twice top-10 finisher in U23 World Championships.
Sky and Astana have raided young Colombian talents - Bernal, Sosa, Bohórquez to name a few.
Bohorquez is not exactly a talent, more just a toy to keep MAL happy. More interesting is Rodrigo Contreras, who is given a second chance on WT level with Astana as well..
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| moromete |
Posted on 10-11-2018 09:20
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Champ_Armstrong wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
Champ_Armstrong wrote:
moromete wrote:
I wish Trek would put the same level of attention into rider recruitment and contract security as they clearly put into the design of the jerseys (the Sosa affair has left a really bad taste in my mouth, even if it's unclear how much the team itself is at fault and how much the problem lies with the agents the rider).
Totally agree in your point.
Unfortunately their quality in performance and squad does not even come close to their excellent designs. But they're getting closer! I'm glad for the transfers..
Matteo Moschetti (Polartec-Kometa, 2020 - Stagiaire 2018)
Richie Porte (BMC Racing Team, 2020)
William Clarke (EF Education First, 2020)
Alex Kirsch (WB Aqua Protect Veranclassic, 2020)
Giulio Ciccone (Bardiani CSF, 2020)
Edward Theuns (Team Sunweb, 2019)
No matter what. When you take an american bike producer and an Italian coffee company to combine a cycling team, it doesn't get any better than that
Yes it does
Former World Champion, Lizzie Deignan. Former Ronde winner, Elisa Longo Borghini. Former World Champion Ellen van Dijk. Current TTT World Champion, Trixi Worrack. Current French ITT NC, Audrey Cordon-Ragot. Former Gent-Wevelgem winner, Lotta Lepisto. Former MTB World Champion, Jolanda Neff. Top Talent, Letizia Paternoster.
Plus proven contenders in Ruth Winder, Anna Plichta, Abigail Van Twisk and Loretta Hanson.
And the goddess that is Taylor Wiles.
Basically Trek-Segafredo have built one of the strongest teams around, packed with proven talent and high potential riders. And all on guaranteed minimum wage contracts that most teams still won't match.
Not to forget! +1
I am very sorry for forgetting the women's team, which is truly spectacular, but I tend to mostly focus on the men and that's where Trek has let me down. Are the same people in charge of recruitment/retention for both or are they entirely separate organizations? |
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| FreitasPCM |
Posted on 10-11-2018 19:00
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Caja Rural have signed Sergey Chernetskiy from Astana. |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 11-11-2018 08:16
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moromete wrote:
Champ_Armstrong wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
Champ_Armstrong wrote:
moromete wrote:
I wish Trek would put the same level of attention into rider recruitment and contract security as they clearly put into the design of the jerseys (the Sosa affair has left a really bad taste in my mouth, even if it's unclear how much the team itself is at fault and how much the problem lies with the agents the rider).
Totally agree in your point.
Unfortunately their quality in performance and squad does not even come close to their excellent designs. But they're getting closer! I'm glad for the transfers..
Matteo Moschetti (Polartec-Kometa, 2020 - Stagiaire 2018)
Richie Porte (BMC Racing Team, 2020)
William Clarke (EF Education First, 2020)
Alex Kirsch (WB Aqua Protect Veranclassic, 2020)
Giulio Ciccone (Bardiani CSF, 2020)
Edward Theuns (Team Sunweb, 2019)
No matter what. When you take an american bike producer and an Italian coffee company to combine a cycling team, it doesn't get any better than that
Yes it does
Former World Champion, Lizzie Deignan. Former Ronde winner, Elisa Longo Borghini. Former World Champion Ellen van Dijk. Current TTT World Champion, Trixi Worrack. Current French ITT NC, Audrey Cordon-Ragot. Former Gent-Wevelgem winner, Lotta Lepisto. Former MTB World Champion, Jolanda Neff. Top Talent, Letizia Paternoster.
Plus proven contenders in Ruth Winder, Anna Plichta, Abigail Van Twisk and Loretta Hanson.
And the goddess that is Taylor Wiles.
Basically Trek-Segafredo have built one of the strongest teams around, packed with proven talent and high potential riders. And all on guaranteed minimum wage contracts that most teams still won't match.
Not to forget! +1
I am very sorry for forgetting the women's team, which is truly spectacular, but I tend to mostly focus on the men and that's where Trek has let me down. Are the same people in charge of recruitment/retention for both or are they entirely separate organizations?
We'll you can't really compare men and women. Trek are one of a handful of teams taking women's cycling seriously. For a very modest budget they can assemble a very good women's team because the women have nowhere else to go. In the men's sport they have real competition for signing riders and their team is very very average.
"Ringo is exactly right", Shonak - 8 September 2016
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 11-11-2018 08:17
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moromete wrote:
Champ_Armstrong wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
Champ_Armstrong wrote:
moromete wrote:
I wish Trek would put the same level of attention into rider recruitment and contract security as they clearly put into the design of the jerseys (the Sosa affair has left a really bad taste in my mouth, even if it's unclear how much the team itself is at fault and how much the problem lies with the agents the rider).
Totally agree in your point.
Unfortunately their quality in performance and squad does not even come close to their excellent designs. But they're getting closer! I'm glad for the transfers..
Matteo Moschetti (Polartec-Kometa, 2020 - Stagiaire 2018)
Richie Porte (BMC Racing Team, 2020)
William Clarke (EF Education First, 2020)
Alex Kirsch (WB Aqua Protect Veranclassic, 2020)
Giulio Ciccone (Bardiani CSF, 2020)
Edward Theuns (Team Sunweb, 2019)
No matter what. When you take an american bike producer and an Italian coffee company to combine a cycling team, it doesn't get any better than that
Yes it does
Former World Champion, Lizzie Deignan. Former Ronde winner, Elisa Longo Borghini. Former World Champion Ellen van Dijk. Current TTT World Champion, Trixi Worrack. Current French ITT NC, Audrey Cordon-Ragot. Former Gent-Wevelgem winner, Lotta Lepisto. Former MTB World Champion, Jolanda Neff. Top Talent, Letizia Paternoster.
Plus proven contenders in Ruth Winder, Anna Plichta, Abigail Van Twisk and Loretta Hanson.
And the goddess that is Taylor Wiles.
Basically Trek-Segafredo have built one of the strongest teams around, packed with proven talent and high potential riders. And all on guaranteed minimum wage contracts that most teams still won't match.
Not to forget! +1
I am very sorry for forgetting the women's team, which is truly spectacular, but I tend to mostly focus on the men and that's where Trek has let me down. Are the same people in charge of recruitment/retention for both or are they entirely separate organizations?
We'll you can't really compare men and women. Trek are one of a handful of teams taking women's cycling seriously. For a very modest budget they can assemble a very good women's team because the women have nowhere else to go. In the men's sport they have real competition for signing riders and their team is very very average.
"Ringo is exactly right", Shonak - 8 September 2016
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 13-11-2018 08:44
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It's getting more and more likely we'll see Mathieu van der Poel in the World Tour next season. His team is working hard on reaching PCT status and he himself has also expressed more interest in road cycling. Gent-Wevelgem is one of his targets and he might also ride Roubaix if the team gets a wildcard (which will be hard for a non-french team in their first season).
For Wout van Aert things are looking less good, he needs UCI permission to ride in 2019 after breaking his contract with Veranda's Willems-Crelan and the lawsuit about that might also take a while. These things obviously make it hard for him to find a team to sign him. You can see by his cyclocross result this is definitely affecting him.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Champ_Armstrong |
Posted on 13-11-2018 10:06
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I love both of them and truly wish to see them in Paris-Rubaix 2019 alongside with the one and only Andrea Tafi
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| Champ_Armstrong |
Posted on 13-11-2018 10:08
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I love both of them and truly wish to see them in Paris-Rubaix 2019 alongside with the one and only Andrea Tafi
Pain is temporary. Quitting lasts forever.
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| df_Trek |
Posted on 13-11-2018 16:54
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UCI will not benefit from a WVA suspension imo, They shouldn't dq him, it's against the sport and the show
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 13-11-2018 17:14
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df_Trek wrote:
UCI will not benefit from a WVA suspension imo, They shouldn't dq him, it's against the sport and the show
If the UCI don't allow him to race, they run a very serious risk of undermining a lot of contracts in the sport.
WVA signed a contract with Verandas Willems-Crelan. This is a legal binding agreement between the two parties. Verandas Willems-Crelan argue they have held up their side of the contract, which as far as i can tell they have. By walking out on the team, WVA has broken his contract and therefore should be held accountable by the relevant legal bodies for this breaking of legal agreement.
I don't see how the UCI can back WVA against Verandas Willems-Crelan. The Team has done nothing wrong and filled all their promises in the contract. WVA has not. It's really that simple.
The UCI backs WVA they open themselves up to legal action from Sniper Cycling (the entity behind Verandas), and they run a serious risk of unleashing a pandoras box of future problems with riders walking out of contracts over disagreements. Slightly distopyan view of mine i admit but it's a real possibility.
And as we've seen with the Sosa situation contracts in cycling are a potentially complicated affair anyway, and the UCI's existing fairly hands-off approach does leave gaps in the system some people exploit.
To help with the growing proffesionalisation and moves to stabilise pro cycling the UCI has to stand firm on contracts, holding all parties accountable to the same level.
This got a touch long and rambling as a response Sorry but i've been doing some reading around these issues recently as they come to the fore and with the new guaranteed wages in the womens side
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| df_Trek |
Posted on 13-11-2018 18:21
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TheManxMissile wrote:
If the UCI don't allow him to race, they run a very serious risk of undermining a lot of contracts in the sport.
Probably you mean if they allow...
btw I got your point, but this is not the way to fight this problem imo, they can't practically give same/even worse treatment to him compared to dopers
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