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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 29-07-2018 23:50
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matt17br wrote:
Glad someone picked Palyi and Cominelli. I had them in my transfers longlist, and they're great domestiques at CT level. Still a few riders I don't see getting picked that could lead most CT teams though in one field at least. Odd.
Certainly does look like there will be some very useful riders not picked up, even after Round 2.
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Posted on 29-07-2018 23:51
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Will round 2 be today still? or tomorrow
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 29-07-2018 23:52
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Tomorrow - I don't have any more time for them today.
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| Sykkel_Freak |
Posted on 29-07-2018 23:54
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A few riders with goalscoring potential I'm very surprised not getting picked in the first round, but also a few nice signings made today.
This is a really cool concept, already looking forward to tomorrow evening 
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| Scorchio |
Posted on 29-07-2018 23:58
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ManGame-Admin wrote: Certainly does look like there will be some very useful riders not picked up, even after Round 2.
Unless I am much mistaken Guillen the only rider from the top 10 riders left unsigned (considered purely from ranking by OVR). Given some of these guys very handy, surprised they are still nervously sat by the phone waiting for a call up.
On the development rider front, they may be from less fashionable countries, but there are a lot of guys left who (imo) are better than a raft of riders folk picked as stagaires. (I acknowlege stagaire picks often highly infuenced by nationality for taking a weaker rider over slightly stronger, as often it should be!).
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| Scorchio |
Posted on 30-07-2018 00:07
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Gordon Bennett. Looked a little closer, and a guy who finished in the top 10 of the CT individual rankings a few years back is still floating about unsigned (and he is still well short of age of decline!). Really hope to see his name appear tomorrow evening!
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 30-07-2018 00:11
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Really happy with Tom Veelers, adds extra cobbled depth for our leaders and he still has a quick finish so could sit on once dropped/ attacks from our leaders happen and win a sprint for minor placings to add key depth points.
Can't wait to see who we pickup with our second pick. Can't remember which way round my second and third choice riders were so should come as a little bit of a surprise for me also.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 30-07-2018 00:23
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Very fun addition to the game. Wish I could be a part of it, although obviously I want never to be a part of it. 
Nice to see Ste pick up Cominelli. He actually got a couple of top 15's for me last year iirc. His acceleration holds him back, but in a race of attrition he'll be very solid, especially in CT.
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| Scorchio |
Posted on 30-07-2018 00:44
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In the rush of the draft
Spoiler (and making/eating dinner at the same time!)
Missed Oba. A real handy guy for a TTT + strong prologue. His good flat and acceptable cobbles ability make him a very useful versatile rider to take into race planning.
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| Jakstar22 |
Posted on 30-07-2018 02:53
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I really liked the idea of the draft!! I kind of went for the future talents angle. Looking for riders that can really have an impact over the next few seasons. E.g. Luke Mudgway is a nice Kiwi sprint talent who could really impact our sprint train as well as go for the win in smaller races himself...
Although after a PM recently I regret not looking at a Particular Australian 
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| Atlantius |
Posted on 30-07-2018 05:37
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ManGame-Admin wrote:
The draft is not only an opportunity to buy new riders. Gökhan Hasta rode for Valio - DeLaval last season, and having not been renewed, now returns to the team after all.
It really hurt having to cut him since he's been with us since the very first season (loaned out 2015).
He doesn't get much results for himself but will be a very important addition for König!
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| tsmoha |
Posted on 30-07-2018 06:04
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Jakstar22 wrote:
I really liked the idea of the draft!! I kind of went for the future talents angle. Looking for riders that can really have an impact over the next few seasons. E.g. Luke Mudgway is a nice Kiwi sprint talent who could really impact our sprint train as well as go for the win in smaller races himself...
Although after a PM recently I regret not looking at a Particular Australian
No Ritchie Porte then? 
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| Jakstar22 |
Posted on 30-07-2018 06:37
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tsmoha wrote:
Jakstar22 wrote:
I really liked the idea of the draft!! I kind of went for the future talents angle. Looking for riders that can really have an impact over the next few seasons. E.g. Luke Mudgway is a nice Kiwi sprint talent who could really impact our sprint train as well as go for the win in smaller races himself...
Although after a PM recently I regret not looking at a Particular Australian
No Ritchie Porte then?
Unfortunetly no wasn’t on my list
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| Atlantius |
Posted on 30-07-2018 07:10
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Scorchio wrote:
Cool to see Hasta re-join Valio. Another competent stage racer from Turkey still out there (rode for WCC in 2016!).
Nope. He rode for me.
You did have another Turkish climber though
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| Heine |
Posted on 30-07-2018 07:39
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I missed following the draft live, but read trough it now. Great addition! I also love that we got a pure CT addition. I really hope this continues and are expanded upon!
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| SotD |
Posted on 30-07-2018 08:22
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knockout wrote:
Interesting to see van wyk picked up. He was in very close contention for my 20th roster apot but his value should be lower for a ct team due to not being able to max him. Love it though
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Will be interesting! If I was part of this I would go for the best level 1 talents. To avoid paying wages is a free development. If not I would look to sign the most versatile helpers or attackers to be gifted the best potential points.
I dont see where it makes a difference between this and a 50k filler? Id use the draft pick like i would use any 50k roster spot and go for best value. That could be a young talent since ct teams can develop lvl 1 riders well but it could also be a TTT addition if you have a drop after the sixth or 7th rider, an additional leadout rider, versatile domestique or a good puncheur. maybe a cobbler but the quality for cobblers left doesnt seem to be terrific but perhaps a guy like Meersman would provide nice value.
Of course. My thought was that the level 1 talent without paying wages were seen as a "free" option to develop talents, under the understanding that most managers have already secured the team core by now. Obviously if something is needed in order to achieve goals - leadout sprinter, cobbled domestique or TTT train, then strong riders for that could be assured.
But I'm jumping to the conclusion that the wage cap is used to create the team that should compete, as waiting to fill up quality for this phase is a very risky move, hence talents IMO is the best value for most teams.
Going for 1 stat wonders at this hour is imo a very bad move. They have been left out for a reason, and you do risk that they will take the spotlight from a significantly better rider. It's not the time to go for a leader or lieutenaint indeed... There's still some very strong, untouched, talents, who could be useful already next season at level 3 (level 1-2 now).
Will be very interesting to see whether someone made a bargain here
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| Atlantius |
Posted on 30-07-2018 08:47
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Well in CT it can be difficult to fit in enough support riders for 3-4 leaders (as in my case). In that case getting some more depth in those areas is much better than signing a talent I didn't want enough to sign in the first place.
I do agree that it's too late to find an outright leader but the draft riders are very good for providing depth and/or filling gaps to get a few points from races that would otherwise have been certain 0-pointers.
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| knockout |
Posted on 30-07-2018 09:29
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SotD wrote:
knockout wrote:
Interesting to see van wyk picked up. He was in very close contention for my 20th roster apot but his value should be lower for a ct team due to not being able to max him. Love it though
SotD wrote:
Will be interesting! If I was part of this I would go for the best level 1 talents. To avoid paying wages is a free development. If not I would look to sign the most versatile helpers or attackers to be gifted the best potential points.
I dont see where it makes a difference between this and a 50k filler? Id use the draft pick like i would use any 50k roster spot and go for best value. That could be a young talent since ct teams can develop lvl 1 riders well but it could also be a TTT addition if you have a drop after the sixth or 7th rider, an additional leadout rider, versatile domestique or a good puncheur. maybe a cobbler but the quality for cobblers left doesnt seem to be terrific but perhaps a guy like Meersman would provide nice value.
Of course. My thought was that the level 1 talent without paying wages were seen as a "free" option to develop talents, under the understanding that most managers have already secured the team core by now. Obviously if something is needed in order to achieve goals - leadout sprinter, cobbled domestique or TTT train, then strong riders for that could be assured.
But I'm jumping to the conclusion that the wage cap is used to create the team that should compete, as waiting to fill up quality for this phase is a very risky move, hence talents IMO is the best value for most teams.
Going for 1 stat wonders at this hour is imo a very bad move. They have been left out for a reason, and you do risk that they will take the spotlight from a significantly better rider. It's not the time to go for a leader or lieutenaint indeed... There's still some very strong, untouched, talents, who could be useful already next season at level 3 (level 1-2 now).
Will be very interesting to see whether someone made a bargain here
1 stat wonders are always a risk. Getting someone like Guillen can be worth it if he fits the team (eg no top sprinter) and if you have a good idea for his planning. Most other one stat wonders probably arent worth it at this point.
The point of not paying any wages is a no-argument for this. Managers should treat it like the min number of riders were raised to 17 and the cap space was raised to 1.3M because thats basically what this is. So effectively the drafted riders are just 50k guys = equal to other team members in terms of value of roster spots.
If we're talking about he premier talents left available and not about a local talent that maxes at 74HI or stuff like that then i would have suggested every CT manager to pick the talent up earlier and sign the domestique later through the draft. My reason would be that quite a lot of talents get picked up as stagiares in the last days of transfers while not a lot of quality domestiques get picked up at the same time.
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| SotD |
Posted on 30-07-2018 10:08
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knockout wrote:
The point of not paying any wages is a no-argument for this. Managers should treat it like the min number of riders were raised to 17 and the cap space was raised to 1.3M because thats basically what this is. So effectively the drafted riders are just 50k guys = equal to other team members in terms of value of roster spots.
If we're talking about he premier talents left available and not about a local talent that maxes at 74HI or stuff like that then i would have suggested every CT manager to pick the talent up earlier and sign the domestique later through the draft. My reason would be that quite a lot of talents get picked up as stagiares in the last days of transfers while not a lot of quality domestiques get picked up at the same time.
I disagree... If you had 17 riders and another 100K wages you had further options to do other sort of deals, loans etc. - In theory, yes, in reality I do see it as a difference, because this is a fixed and shut area with absolutely no chance to interfere. And in that case I find development the best possible solution.
I do agree, however, that while most talents have gone for 50K, this season, your point is absolutely valid, but I still believe that getting a free talent after the team is set, no more loans are possible, and all leaders are set (and hopefully a decent set of domestiques is also in stall), then getting 76-79 key stat talents is easily the way to go.
I feel like the core team should be solved before draft, because you have no way of knowing whether or not you will get a useful draft rider. The 3-4 useful riders could be picked up within the final seconds of the transfermarket, or picked up ahead of you in the draft. Then what? Pick your number 5-6 choice for that? Seems unlogical to me, as that rider is certainly worse than what you could do with a talent. Also you would always lose out on your rivals unless you get a top 3 pick, as other teams already signed the better deal. So signing the 5-6th choice is just damage control, for basically nothing.
I doubt that anyone with a key MO, HI, TT, SPR or cobbled setup really lack a rider for that leader. If they do,they have planned badly in the transfers imo or have been extremely unlucky with silent auctions.
So what is best? To assign the best possible rider, who is still likely to score somewhere between 0-25 points, or to develop a rider that can be used at PCT level, or be sold/traded for better riders in the future? For me it's a no brainer.
Then there's that other possibility of going for riders that COULD snatch a breakaway win.
But signing 4th tier helpers (or worse) at this point really is a bad strategy for me. Even more so with signing possible disturbance-elements.
I do, however agree, that if you have no sprinter at all, it could be sensible to pick up the best possible solution, although, I still would argue that he would only interfere with the original plans, which obviously is to NOT attend the sprints, and instead score points elsewhere/in other ways. So getting a low-end top 10 sprinter in to prohibit your other riders from doing their (payed) duty, seems like a bad call imo.
Anyway, there's no right or wrong here, those are just my thoughts, and how I would play it.
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| SotD |
Posted on 30-07-2018 10:14
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Atlantius wrote:
Well in CT it can be difficult to fit in enough support riders for 3-4 leaders (as in my case). In that case getting some more depth in those areas is much better than signing a talent I didn't want enough to sign in the first place.
I do agree that it's too late to find an outright leader but the draft riders are very good for providing depth and/or filling gaps to get a few points from races that would otherwise have been certain 0-pointers.
If you have 4 leaders and 11 helpers, I do hope that the helpers have been picked with their leaders in mind  - If so, they should easily suffice. It's not like the leaders need 4 riders to back them up with great stats. Having a top GC rider would probably love a 77 and a 75MO rider to support him, but it could also be a 72MO/76HI rider as a domestique sometimes. And he could be the main hilly domestique too..
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