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ICL18 - Race Discussion
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| Shonak |
Posted on 06-04-2018 14:21
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Thank you Vali, yes indeed I played the wrong route and I have already deleted the results now. Since the routes differ quite a lot, there isn't really a second option in my opinion. Unfortunately I won't be home until Sunday evening, so perhaps bikex or Abhi can race USAPCC. Sorry for the inconvenience 
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 06-04-2018 14:23
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Bikex wrote:
Vali wrote:
Maybe I've missed an announcement or something but shouldn't the route of USAPCC be different? At least the profiles in the calendar don't fit with the stages posted so far. I don't really mind, but I'd be cool to know which stages are still to come. 
You seem to be correct. I guess the fairest could be to rerace on the posted route, but I still suggest keeping the results how they are, if noone minds. On both routes probably the same riders would be in contention.
In that case two flat stages and probably not so selective hilly stage 6 follow.
For selfish reasons i'd prefer the Calendar posted route, with a longer opening TT, no MTT and less flat days.
Otherwise with a PRL, MTT and more flat days i may well have not set Henao. No guarantee of that ultimately but if races and squads are based on the Calendar posted routes those are the ones that should be used.
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| Shonak |
Posted on 06-04-2018 14:26
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Bikex wrote:
Vali wrote:
Maybe I've missed an announcement or something but shouldn't the route of USAPCC be different? At least the profiles in the calendar don't fit with the stages posted so far. I don't really mind, but I'd be cool to know which stages are still to come.
You seem to be correct. I guess the fairest could be to rerace on the posted route, but I still suggest keeping the results how they are, if noone minds. On both routes probably the same riders would be in contention.
In that case two flat stages and probably not so selective hilly stage 6 follow.
Aah read it too late sorry. I can ofc re-post the results but honestly I think that the race would be quite different bc stage 3 was not decisive at all, and the race lacks a proper MTF. So I am definitely for a re-run.
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| Ripley |
Posted on 06-04-2018 14:35
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Phew, the pace was getting worryingly high. I've only just started my Vuelta preview and it was starting to look like it needs to be finished by tomorrow, which won't happen. So well done, Shonak, for screwing up USA Pro!  Also well done, Eagle-Eye Vally, for spotting this! I also favour a re-run, sounds logical, but I'm fine either way.
Baltic Chain looked a bit boring, I had expected more action on stage 4. But Stannard's 9th place is good in this field and Schorn won a stage, so once again I'm happy.
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| dominox |
Posted on 06-04-2018 14:49
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Wow, I'm seriously surprised with Baltic Chain Tour. If only that ITT was better... Who knows? Two 5th places, two 2nd places and another almost succesfull breakaway... Wow |
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| Bikex |
Posted on 06-04-2018 15:57
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Okay you guys are right
Was worried that the pace would be hurt by a rerun, but the profiles are indeed very different, so a rerun is the only fair option |
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| knockout |
Posted on 06-04-2018 16:04
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Baltic chain was great by my two lesser cobbled leaders
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 06-04-2018 16:18
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GVK unstoppable, can he make it 3/3 in Eneco Tour?
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Vali |
Posted on 06-04-2018 18:59
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Yeah I think a rerun would be the fairest solution if the routes really differ that much.
Edit:
Forgot to comment about Baltic Chain Tour, but there wasn't much to say about it anyway. Not our most successful race to say the least.
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Posted on 23-11-2024 14:05
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| Bikex |
Posted on 07-04-2018 21:51
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First three stages of USAPCC rerun, first two of Mauritius Sun Tour and Vattenfall Cyclassics posted: https://pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread....st_1286325
Videos for Cyclassics and USAPCC Stage 3 included |
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| knockout |
Posted on 07-04-2018 21:58
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Vattenfall is a disappointment. I cannot understand why Kittel is so alone in the finale with Willwohl, Ewan, Mathis, Eisaks and Geissler attending as well. Clueless...
3rd is good but Vanmarcke finishing second sucks 
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| Aquarius97 |
Posted on 07-04-2018 22:11
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Wtf Rabottini? 9 minutes lost, and 2 team-mates ahead of you?
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| Ripley |
Posted on 07-04-2018 22:18
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I have to admit I was rooting for Degenkolb in Hamburg, but it wasn't to be.
As for the 3rd stage of the USA Challenge, the only explanation I have is that the whole peloton was hit by a stomach bug, except for a few riders.
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| Bikex |
Posted on 07-04-2018 22:20
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knockout wrote:
Vattenfall is a disappointment. I cannot understand why Kittel is so alone in the finale with Willwohl, Ewan, Mathis, Eisaks and Geissler attending as well. Clueless...
3rd is good but Vanmarcke finishing second sucks
That must hurt your ambitions for the World Cup team rankings quite a lot, to have so few riders up there in the result.  |
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| knockout |
Posted on 07-04-2018 22:45
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Bikex wrote:
knockout wrote:
Vattenfall is a disappointment. I cannot understand why Kittel is so alone in the finale with Willwohl, Ewan, Mathis, Eisaks and Geissler attending as well. Clueless...
3rd is good but Vanmarcke finishing second sucks
That must hurt your ambitions for the World Cup team rankings quite a lot, to have so few riders up there in the result.
i guess that's true
But i hate their (seemingly?) lack of effort much more than those points right now
WC team rankings are only a very minor focus for this season
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| Vali |
Posted on 07-04-2018 23:44
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Whoops, the rerun of USAPCC now looks a little bit fixed with Caruso destroying the field on that climb.
As Ripley already said, that was a very strange stage but the race is far from over, as there are loads of strong climbers here.
Thanks Bikex for taking over this race!
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| Yellow Jersey |
Posted on 07-04-2018 23:56
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I ask for another rerun as Khozatayev has lost a place in comparison to the previous run 
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| Shonak |
Posted on 08-04-2018 07:13
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Thanks for covering USAPCC. I'll probably do Eneco when I come home in the evening. 
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 08-04-2018 10:31
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Big one from Vanmarcke there, awesome job.
Bittersweet Kelderman in USA though, great ITT win but awful climbing stage, did he crash there?
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| Ripley |
Posted on 08-04-2018 11:09
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Bikex didn't mention any crashes. Caruso with the help of Cattaneo had already broken away, but with 13 km to go 76 riders were back together. Then Dombrowski attacked, Kozhatayev followed, Caruso overtook them both, CCC and Henao tried to follow and further back Monsalve did all the work, otherwise the whole group would have lost even more time. But it wasn't just a passive AI, nobody had the legs to help, the group even splintered in the final km. Nerz, Fuglsang, Talansky, Kiserlovski, Kelderman... they must really all have been on a -5 form to lose nearly 7 minutes against Caruso and 6 minutes against Edmondson (MON 76) up that final climb.
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