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| ringo182 |
Posted on 08-02-2018 14:23
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Riis123 wrote:
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df_Trek wrote:
Another shot by Viviani demonstrating what a sprinter he is, second Groenewegen to confirm he looks the only one who can compete with Elia in this moment of the season
I think you need to wait until he wins a sprint in a race that actually means anything before comments like that 
29 years old and 1 GT stage win and possibly 2/3 other stage wins worth shouting about.
Good track rider, average road rider.
Maybe he can improve at Quickstep and use his momentum from his track success over the last few years to get some road results.
Average road rider who just won WT classics such as Bretagne Classic and Cyclassics Hamburg last summer? LOl
He was always hampered at Sky, also because he focused on the track, now he gets support and is focusing 100% on the road. Viviani is just a tier below the best sprinters in the world like Kittel, Cav, Gaviria and whatever. Thats not really average. And he won the pretty hard Bretagne Classic (yes, the WT race) which is pretty selective, so he can get over obstacles as well when in shape. He will win stages in the Giro barring injuries, I assure you that..
Also, I do like how a while ago you claimed that all sprinters weren't real cyclists but are now taking offence to me calling a sprinter who hasn't won much "average".
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| df_Trek |
Posted on 08-02-2018 16:49
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the point is that Viviani we are watching now is not 28 years past Viviani, this is a developed rider, and yes I will be surprised if is not going to win stages at next Giro
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 08-02-2018 17:01
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ringo182 wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
df_Trek wrote:
Another shot by Viviani demonstrating what a sprinter he is, second Groenewegen to confirm he looks the only one who can compete with Elia in this moment of the season
I think you need to wait until he wins a sprint in a race that actually means anything before comments like that
29 years old and 1 GT stage win and possibly 2/3 other stage wins worth shouting about.
Good track rider, average road rider.
Maybe he can improve at Quickstep and use his momentum from his track success over the last few years to get some road results.
Average road rider who just won WT classics such as Bretagne Classic and Cyclassics Hamburg last summer? LOl
He was always hampered at Sky, also because he focused on the track, now he gets support and is focusing 100% on the road. Viviani is just a tier below the best sprinters in the world like Kittel, Cav, Gaviria and whatever. Thats not really average. And he won the pretty hard Bretagne Classic (yes, the WT race) which is pretty selective, so he can get over obstacles as well when in shape. He will win stages in the Giro barring injuries, I assure you that..
Average was possibly too harsh a comment.
My point was you can't use a win in Dubai to show what a great sprinter he is when his past record on the road isn't great. Yes, he has the odd decent result here and there, but all sprinters do because there are so many sprint stages available.
But he is 29 and has 1 grand tour win and a small scattering of WT level wins. Caleb Ewan is 23 and has two GT stage wins already. How many GT wins do the Great or even good sprinters have?
He might push on at Quickstep. But there isn't really much evidence to support it up to this point.
You can't use GT wins as any indication when 1) he barely gets to ride them and 2) he has no support when he rides them.
I like Quick Step and has therefore taken an interest in most of their riders and Viviani is a super humble guy who probably has reached 80% of his potential at Sky. So I root for him and the team. And as I said, he is more versatile than given credit for which is the most important ability for a sprinter for me. Gaviria is their man, but Viviani wll have plenty of opportunities to shine throughout the year. |
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| Yellow Jersey |
Posted on 08-02-2018 22:02
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Apparently Gronewegen was really angry with team mechanics today. Claimed the bottom bracket in both bikes were, and I quote, "fucked up".
He used the F word multiples times in an interview.. Not a pretty thing for sure, I'm very negatively surprised
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| FreitasPCM |
Posted on 09-02-2018 00:00
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No, wait, what the hell is Christophe Laporte doing, now he's a time-trialist too? Is trekbmc a visionary or what, maybe this year he's really going for the green on Le Tour.  |
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| df_Trek |
Posted on 09-02-2018 09:54
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Yellow Jersey wrote:
Apparently Gronewegen was really angry with team mechanics today. Claimed the bottom bracket in both bikes were, and I quote, "fucked up".
He used the F word multiples times in an interview.. Not a pretty thing for sure, I'm very negatively surprised
not really best reaction on people that is working for you, and from which depend your job and results...
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| Champ_Armstrong |
Posted on 09-02-2018 09:58
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Riis123 wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
df_Trek wrote:
Another shot by Viviani demonstrating what a sprinter he is, second Groenewegen to confirm he looks the only one who can compete with Elia in this moment of the season
I think you need to wait until he wins a sprint in a race that actually means anything before comments like that
29 years old and 1 GT stage win and possibly 2/3 other stage wins worth shouting about.
Good track rider, average road rider.
Maybe he can improve at Quickstep and use his momentum from his track success over the last few years to get some road results.
Average road rider who just won WT classics such as Bretagne Classic and Cyclassics Hamburg last summer? LOl
He was always hampered at Sky, also because he focused on the track, now he gets support and is focusing 100% on the road. Viviani is just a tier below the best sprinters in the world like Kittel, Cav, Gaviria and whatever. Thats not really average. And he won the pretty hard Bretagne Classic (yes, the WT race) which is pretty selective, so he can get over obstacles as well when in shape. He will win stages in the Giro barring injuries, I assure you that..
Average was possibly too harsh a comment.
My point was you can't use a win in Dubai to show what a great sprinter he is when his past record on the road isn't great. Yes, he has the odd decent result here and there, but all sprinters do because there are so many sprint stages available.
But he is 29 and has 1 grand tour win and a small scattering of WT level wins. Caleb Ewan is 23 and has two GT stage wins already. How many GT wins do the Great or even good sprinters have?
He might push on at Quickstep. But there isn't really much evidence to support it up to this point.
You can't use GT wins as any indication when 1) he barely gets to ride them and 2) he has no support when he rides them.
I like Quick Step and has therefore taken an interest in most of their riders and Viviani is a super humble guy who probably has reached 80% of his potential at Sky. So I root for him and the team. And as I said, he is more versatile than given credit for which is the most important ability for a sprinter for me. Gaviria is their man, but Viviani wll have plenty of opportunities to shine throughout the year.
If you are a quality sprinter do NOT sign for teams like Sky or Movistar. They will never prioritize sprinters in bigger races. |
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| aldrofj |
Posted on 09-02-2018 10:20
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16 km to go at Dubai Tour, and the gap between the breakaway and the pack is about 2'30''.  Dunne,  Carpenter and McNulty are at the front, McNulty could be the new leader today.
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| Selwink |
Posted on 09-02-2018 10:44
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Nooo  Heartbreak for McNulty
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| Kiserlovski01 |
Posted on 09-02-2018 10:46
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Too bad . Though Colbrelli was quite impressive, just like Roosen.
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| df_Trek |
Posted on 09-02-2018 10:56
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Colbrelli had also mechanical problem in last km with chain stuck on 53, impressive McNulty too, but Colbrelli was amazing, never lost first position on that ramp
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| df_Trek |
Posted on 09-02-2018 11:02
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Champ_Armstrong wrote:
If you are a quality sprinter do NOT sign for teams like Sky or Movistar. They will never prioritize sprinters in bigger races.
yes, also Danny Van Poppel, I can't understand him, he won a mass sprint in Vuelta with Trek and then signed for sky, with no partecipation in GT in two seasons, why that choice? and probably the same story for Doull and Halvorsen...so much talent wasted there...
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 09-02-2018 11:38
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df_Trek wrote:
Champ_Armstrong wrote:
If you are a quality sprinter do NOT sign for teams like Sky or Movistar. They will never prioritize sprinters in bigger races.
yes, also Danny Van Poppel, I can't understand him, he won a mass sprint in Vuelta with Trek and then signed for sky, with no partecipation in GT in two seasons, why that choice? and probably the same story for Doull and Halvorsen...so much talent wasted there...
£$£$£$£$£$£
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 09-02-2018 12:39
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df_Trek wrote:
Champ_Armstrong wrote:
If you are a quality sprinter do NOT sign for teams like Sky or Movistar. They will never prioritize sprinters in bigger races.
yes, also Danny Van Poppel, I can't understand him, he won a mass sprint in Vuelta with Trek and then signed for sky, with no partecipation in GT in two seasons, why that choice? and probably the same story for Doull and Halvorsen...so much talent wasted there...
Try ICL 
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Champ_Armstrong |
Posted on 09-02-2018 13:15
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ringo182 wrote:
df_Trek wrote:
Champ_Armstrong wrote:
If you are a quality sprinter do NOT sign for teams like Sky or Movistar. They will never prioritize sprinters in bigger races.
yes, also Danny Van Poppel, I can't understand him, he won a mass sprint in Vuelta with Trek and then signed for sky, with no partecipation in GT in two seasons, why that choice? and probably the same story for Doull and Halvorsen...so much talent wasted there...
£$£$£$£$£$£
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Money talks, unfortunately..
But Cav was too good for SKY, knew it and left. Good call, Cav! |
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| aldrofj |
Posted on 09-02-2018 13:52
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ringo182 wrote:
df_Trek wrote:
Champ_Armstrong wrote:
If you are a quality sprinter do NOT sign for teams like Sky or Movistar. They will never prioritize sprinters in bigger races.
yes, also Danny Van Poppel, I can't understand him, he won a mass sprint in Vuelta with Trek and then signed for sky, with no partecipation in GT in two seasons, why that choice? and probably the same story for Doull and Halvorsen...so much talent wasted there...
£$£$£$£$£$£
Liar ! It's €€€€€ for Danny van Poppel.
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| Yellow Jersey |
Posted on 09-02-2018 14:09
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I feel the need to emphasize this. It was an enormous race and he totally deserved this, but I think it won't take much for him to get the actual result.
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 09-02-2018 14:16
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aldrofj wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
df_Trek wrote:
Champ_Armstrong wrote:
If you are a quality sprinter do NOT sign for teams like Sky or Movistar. They will never prioritize sprinters in bigger races.
yes, also Danny Van Poppel, I can't understand him, he won a mass sprint in Vuelta with Trek and then signed for sky, with no partecipation in GT in two seasons, why that choice? and probably the same story for Doull and Halvorsen...so much talent wasted there...
£$£$£$£$£$£
Liar ! It's €€€€€ for Danny van Poppel.
My keyboard doesn't have an easy access Euro sign
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| df_Trek |
Posted on 09-02-2018 16:01
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sad truth but so bad for his career...
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| Tamijo |
Posted on 09-02-2018 18:35
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Impeessive race from Magnus Cort, with little to no help on most stages. Especially today on the last 100 meter he seems to be the farstest but noone to help him get in position.
Hopeless tv though, missing the favorites attacking the climb.
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