jandal7 wrote:
PSF is really unfair on Albini, clearly trying to stop him winning
Spagnoli's the same age and he has more than Albini.
Piss off
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15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant." [ICL] Santos-Euskadi | [PT] Xero Racing
Cheers guys! Apart from being useless I wanted to give some love to those middle-of-the-pack-riders who are usually ignored. And there are some fun riders, too. Albini comes out top for you, Jandal, by being the most unbalanced rider in history. Yes, he is the best descender, but he's also the worst climber - MON 54! He should have probably stuck with downhill mountain biking.
Hehe very nice idea and write-up. One-two seasons ago our 10th highest rider would have been far better but we lost depth this season. Oh well, still not relegating, that's enough.
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
Ripley wrote:
Albini comes out top for you, Jandal, by being the most unbalanced rider in history. Yes, he is the best descender, but he's also the worst climber - MON 54! He should have probably stuck with downhill mountain biking.
To paraphrase the president, he is, like, really balanced! Just because he has a weakness does not make him unbalanced - he has great backups and a good hil/spr combo so back the hell away from my precious talents
24/02/21 - kandesbunzler said “I don't drink famous people."
15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant." [ICL] Santos-Euskadi | [PT] Xero Racing
Ripley wrote:
Albini comes out top for you, Jandal, by being the most unbalanced rider in history. Yes, he is the best descender, but he's also the worst climber - MON 54! He should have probably stuck with downhill mountain biking.
To paraphrase the president, he is, like, really balanced! Just because he has a weakness does not make him unbalanced - he has great backups and a good hil/spr combo so back the hell away from my precious talents
Ripley wrote:
Albini comes out top for you, Jandal, by being the most unbalanced rider in history. Yes, he is the best descender, but he's also the worst climber - MON 54! He should have probably stuck with downhill mountain biking.
To paraphrase the president, he is, like, really balanced! Just because he has a weakness does not make him unbalanced - he has great backups and a good hil/spr combo so back the hell away from my precious talents
a little mountain training in offseason and he'll look much better
I found some more time yesterday to play around with the most current ICL database and have composed a small but probably difficult quiz for you all. Winner gets a cake, though the cake might be a lie. Answers and a bit more info in the spoilers (duh!):
Question 1: How many riders currently under contract in the ICL have surpassed their age of decline, independent of Potions of Youth?
A: 25
B: 52
C: 79
Spoiler
B: Samuel Sanchez and Fedrigo are now 40 years old and 7 years past their age of decline, both riders will finally end their careers after this season. Voeckler (6) is next, followed by Bennatti (5). Kvasina, Knees and Cancellara are 4 years over, none of these riders received a potion of youth. Only 5 of the 52 have had that luxury, none more so than Contador with 4 potions, so he's on par to still be at his best at the age of 37 next season.
Question 2: How many riders who qualify for the U23 (are 23 years old or younger) are already racing at professional level?
A: 47
B: 73
C: 136
Spoiler
C: Four are just 19 years old, Estdahl, Pichlmann, Andres Cruz and Savage. Nine are 20 years old, 23 are 21 years old. The three weakest professionals by AVG are 19 or 20, Savage (61.8), Bell (62.3), and Cruz (62.6). The fourth weakest was in the above group, Kvasina (63.4) is the only other rider below AVG 64.
Question 3: AVG 69.0 is coded light green, so I'll use that as a cut-off point. How many hired riders on the professional circuit (so excluding U23 teams) have an AVG below 69.0?
A: 49
B: 76
C: 98
Spoiler
B: Most of them belong in the group above (23 or younger), twelve are already at least 33 years old , just three are in between, either 24 or 25 years old (Eastmond, Pousa and Frackowiak).
Question 4: At the top end of the scale AVG 79.0 turns red. So, how many riders have reached the magic number? Since it's the easiest question in this quiz the range of the multiple choice options is very small.
A:28
B:30
C:31
Spoiler
A: Just 28 riders, starting with Porte (79.1) to the three big dogs Froome, Contador and Nibali (81.7)
Question 5: How many riders boast a loyalty of 5, that is, have been with the same team in all ICL seasons so far?
A: 27
B: 47
C: 74
Spoiler
C: 74 riders. For more, see the next question.
Question 6: And which team has kept most of its original roster since starting in 2014?
A: Filliers – Mora (Ollfardh)
B: Bunzl – Centrica (brewers90)
C: Vegeta Cycling Team (SSJ2Luigi)
Spoiler
A: Filiers-Mora still have 15 of the riders they picked at the start of the ICL. They are followed by Vegeta (14), Bunzl (13) and Team Cymru Wales (12). At the other end of the table we might have teams who have not held onto anybody, but that's difficult for me to look up, so please come forward and confess. My whole list contains nine teams: For Italo-Ventilair, Sabatini is the only rider to survive from the original squad. Liberty-Seguros has three riders left, Allianz four, Carbonsports five and Ceramica Panaria seven riders.
Question 7: How many nations are represented by just one rider in the ICL, that is, are under contract with a team, including U23?
A: 12
B: 24
C: 36
Spoiler
B: Andorra, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bolivia, Brunei, Caymans, Chile, El Salvador, Gabun, Georgia, Iceland, Kenya (no, not Froome), Mauritius, Oman, Peru, Philippines, San Marino, Surinam, Syria, Thailand, Tunesia, Turkey, Uzbekistan, Vietnam and Zimbabwe.
Question 8: How many riders are from the country most represented among hired riders, including U23? Bonus question: And which country is it?
A: 88
B: 99
C: 111
Spoiler
A: Looking at the whole ICL database Belgium comes out top with 351 riders. But counting only riders under contract, Italy wins with 88 riders. Belgium is next with 72 riders, then France (69), Holland (67), Spain (62), Germany (57), Great Britain (50) and USA (46).
Question 9: How many riders under contract have a potential of 3 or less?
A: 17
B: 35
C: 62
Spoiler
C: None with potential 1, four with potential 2 (Vermeersch, Handley, Tomaszewski and Marco Dimic), 58 with potential 3.
And finally question 10: This one I have the feeling at least one of you nerds knows already, how many riders have a potential of 7?
A: 53
B: 61
C: 75
Spoiler
B: One is only 19 years old (Alex Ortega), three are 20 (Dumont, Preciado, Husillos). Rolland is the oldest at 32, the Norwegians Boasson Hagen and Kristoff are 31, Vanmarcke, Kittel and Van Garderen are 30.
I hope that was fun and informative.
Edited by Ripley on 25-01-2018 09:08
Cool stuff. I started late to the party, but still I have only 1 rider left from my starting team. Good old Stanislau Bazhkou Had quite a journey though from a baltics team to mid-europe to Colombia, hence focus changed quite a lot. And my team in the first year was awful, hence Buchko should be the guy with the second longest streak at our team (Scouting in the first year).
Thanks, Manxmissile, should have thought of that myself. Still, not official NATO code.
So here is the last little statistic I present for now, the best riders per year of birth as well as the number of riders per birthyear. I excluded the U23 for a nicer distribution:
Year
no.
Name
AVG
1978
2
S. Sanchez
71.4
1979
1
Voeckler
71.4
1980
1
Bennati
69.3
1981
3
Cancellara
76.0
1982
5
Contador
81.7
1983
12
Van den Broeck
76.7
1984
28
Nibali
81.7
1985
44
Froome
81.7
1986
49
D. Martin
79.4
1987
58
Kristoff
78.4
1988
57
Vanmarcke
80.9
1989
85
Majka
80.5
1990
76
N. Quintana
81.2
1991
92
Barguil
80.9
1992
80
S. Yates
78.8
1993
70
Van Poppel
79.3
1994
80
Herklotz
78.0
1995
51
Van der Poel
76.4
1996
50
Spagnoli
74.0
1997
23
J. Pulido
73.2
1998
9
I. Martin
69.2
1999
4
Estdahl
65.8
I guess I should have reversed the x-axis so the younger riders are on the left, but this'll have to do.
Plus four riders who I made steal attempts on! sorry again Edited by jandal7 on 25-01-2018 09:18
24/02/21 - kandesbunzler said “I don't drink famous people."
15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant." [ICL] Santos-Euskadi | [PT] Xero Racing
Cheers, by design the quiz was too hard, it was just a fun way to present some obscure stats. I wouldn't believe anybody who claimed he got all the answers right.
I knew the new table would finally make you happy, Jandal.
While my WT prediction was pretty silly, I've tried to come up with something a little more serious for the CT and offer two different rankings. They are purely mathematical and simple enough for my ever diminishing math skills. They are waaay simpler than Abhishek's work, of course.
Both rankings use weighted averages for the best 6 riders per CT team. 6 riders was a gut feeling, some teams mostly rely on just one or two riders to bring home the bacon, others count more on their depth, their 8 or 10 top riders.
I then took the AVG ratings of the 6 riders per team and didn't just compile their average AVG, but weighed them (WAVG): 6/21 for the top rider, 5/21 for the second best, and so on down to 1/21 for the 6th best rider. This places a strong emphasis on the captains, here's the result:
#
Team
WAVG
1
Vittel – Havas
76.98
2
Wilier Triestina
76.51
3
Balkan Project
76.49
4
Statoil
76.38
5
Aviva
76.27
6
Cymru Wales
76.26
7
Wiggle
76.21
8
Credit Suisse
76.17
9
Spidertech
76.10
10
CCC
76.08
11
WWE
75.90
12
Pedal Africa
75.74
13
Jeep Pro
75.65
14
Trek
75.44
15
Vegeta
75.39
16
Cool Runnings
75.39
17
Veranclassic
75.25
18
Polestar
75.20
19
An Post
75.16
20
ICBC
74.50
21
Bosch
74.41
Then I came up with a slightly more novel way of ranking the same riders using the same weights: I made a new table where I rank all 426 CT riders by their AVG and compiled the actual rankings in that table for the same 6 riders per team (WPOS). Here's the result:
#
Team
WPOS
1
Vittel – Havas
24.8
2
Cymru Wales
30.7
3
Aviva
32.5
4
Wilier Triestina
32.8
5
CCC
34.5
6
Credit Suisse
34.6
7
Wiggle
36.1
8
Statoil
39.0
9
Jeep Pro
46.5
10
WWE
46.7
11
Pedal Africa
46.9
12
Spidertech
47.1
13
Balkan Project
48.3
14
Trek
52.0
15
Polestar
67.4
16
Veranclassic
69.4
17
Vegeta
70.0
18
An Post
75.3
19
Cool Runnings
87.9
20
ICBC
102.1
21
Bosch
148.1
Vittel comes out top either way especially thanks to Toni Martin, the no. 1 rider by AVG by quite some margin. My simple ranking method does not account for the fact he's "only" a TT specialist, though I'm sure he will score very well regardless, his other stats are nothing to sneer at in the CT.
In the WPOS ranking Cmyru is next, better than the weighted AVGs of their six riders would suggest, but as a group they are strong. The Balkan Cycling Project swings the other way, 3rd by WAVG, but only 13th by WPOS. They have two very strong riders, Rui Costa and Nerz, who bring the weighted AVG up, but the other four are relatively poor and drag the team down in the weighted positional rankings. Similarly, Statoil rely a little too heavily on Guardini, he brings the team up to 4th in the WAVG, but the rest of the top 6 pull them down to 8th in the WPOS.
Bosch isn't helped either way. Herklotz is a top rider and who knows, maybe he alone can bring in enough points so the team finishes higher. But already their second best rider, Auer, only has an AVG 73.5, and the ranking reflects that either way. Polestar is a team which would have done better had I taken the top 9 riders into account, Nordhaug is their 9th rider and he isn't at all bad. They are low down the totem pole by WAVG, but the WPOS ranking shows some of their depth. It's even more true for CCC, who even have 12 riders who could score well (!). 10th by WAVG certainly doesn't do them justice and even WPOS is too limited for their team.
I like that prediction
But seriously great preview.. And it does give me a lot of confidence. Martin is undoubtedly a great leader but obviously I need a good team to back him up and perform well when he's not there. Hopefully they can get the handle of it, especially Jeanesson and Khozatayev
Sorry for missing mini jerseys in the preview they'll be added once I found a way to have them uploaded with their filename as link.
Edited by Bikex on 02-02-2018 19:19
He should have probably stuck with downhill mountain biking.
One-two seasons ago our 10th highest rider would have been far better but we lost depth this season. Oh well, still not relegating, that's enough.
To paraphrase the president, he is, like, really balanced! Just because he has a weakness does not make him unbalanced - he has great backups and a good hil/spr combo so back the hell away from my precious talents 
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