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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 13-12-2017 17:25
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hillis91 wrote:
So if the B sample is positive aswell. What will be the punishment? And, who else is on the juice? Roglic i do belive is on the good stuff.
A and B already confirmed with the same positive results. Punishment i expect would be around 6-9months backdated to september, but could be as high as 2 years.
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| ivaneurope |
Posted on 13-12-2017 17:47
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If Froome loses his Vuelta win (which is now higly likely at this point) I think it should be declared void as neither the other two cheats - Nibali and Zakarin deserve it either
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Posted on 13-12-2017 17:58
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This Asthma med looks to be a favo on many levels of sports today. Sad that the suspect thoughts will now be on each and everyone for years to come.
Just look at the Norwegians. Using this med on even smaller kids when they start skiing. Helps them to breath they say and will not enhance their strength.
We are looking at a full nation of Asthma sick people he-he.
It must be up to WADA and other anti-doping folks to fast find evidence how much, if any, this miracle-med helps. At the end of the day it's not as EPO for sure, but it's hard for sport to draw the magic line in the sand about which "drugs" will be no-no and which will be within rules.
But then anti-doping will always be behind the new methods in our modern world.
Very sad indeed.
Since it's Froome and Team Sky this time around it will hurt the sport hugely for a long time. Hopefully not as bad as US Postal and Lance, BUT being suspect to almost every winning athlete has been going on for years.
Who is really clean in the peloton ? The million dollar question.
Perhaps that's the reality we all have to accept (even if it's horrible)
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| trekbmc |
Posted on 13-12-2017 18:05
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ivaneurope wrote:
If Froome loses his Vuelta win (which is now higly likely at this point) I think it should be declared void as neither the other two cheats - Nibali and Zakarin deserve it either
I'm not saying he's necessarily clean, but has there ever been any evidence against Nibali? I don't remember any, so don't see why you've labelled him as a 'cheat'.
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| ziga007 |
Posted on 13-12-2017 18:07
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hillis91 wrote:
So if the B sample is positive aswell. What will be the punishment? And, who else is on the juice? Roglic i do belive is on the good stuff.
Roglic is full natty
Alberto Contador
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| ivaneurope |
Posted on 13-12-2017 18:11
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trekbmc wrote:
ivaneurope wrote:
If Froome loses his Vuelta win (which is now higly likely at this point) I think it should be declared void as neither the other two cheats - Nibali and Zakarin deserve it either
I'm not saying he's necessarily clean, but has there ever been any evidence against Nibali? I don't remember any, so don't see why you've labelled him as a 'cheat'.
While the "sticky bottle" case isn't doping, still qualifies as cheating. Nibali cheated using this trick in 2014. Imagine if Vuelta organizers gave the win to him - for them it'd be embarrassment.
Plus changing the classification won't elevate the peranial hero in this year's edition - Contador. He'd be still behind Kelderman outside of the podium.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 13-12-2017 18:28
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trekbmc wrote:
ivaneurope wrote:
If Froome loses his Vuelta win (which is now higly likely at this point) I think it should be declared void as neither the other two cheats - Nibali and Zakarin deserve it either
I'm not saying he's necessarily clean, but has there ever been any evidence against Nibali? I don't remember any, so don't see why you've labelled him as a 'cheat'.
Only the usual circumstantial stuff. Association with Astana, Liquigas. Beating others who got busted.
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 13-12-2017 18:44
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Lol
Anybody who can say they honestly are surprised?
Pretty sure Contador would have won that Vuelta without Sky controlling him, no way Bahrain could have done that. Unlucky, but good thing Froome hopefully will be gone for a while |
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Posted on 13-12-2017 18:44
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ivaneurope wrote:
trekbmc wrote:
ivaneurope wrote:
If Froome loses his Vuelta win (which is now higly likely at this point) I think it should be declared void as neither the other two cheats - Nibali and Zakarin deserve it either
I'm not saying he's necessarily clean, but has there ever been any evidence against Nibali? I don't remember any, so don't see why you've labelled him as a 'cheat'.
While the "sticky bottle" case isn't doping, still qualifies as cheating. Nibali cheated using this trick in 2014. Imagine if Vuelta organizers gave the win to him - for them it'd be embarrassment.
Plus changing the classification won't elevate the peranial hero in this year's edition - Contador. He'd be still behind Kelderman outside of the podium.
The sticky bottle (which was probably him being caught up in the moment of the crash and bending the rules) makes him just as a bad as proven dopers? I feel like that's extending the incident a bit too far.
Also, are you saying that it would be okay to move everybody up one place in the rankings if it did put Contador on the podium? What about Kelderman for his first GT podium, Chaves who just missed out on the top 10 or Trentin's points jersey?
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| ivaneurope |
Posted on 13-12-2017 19:24
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Because of Kelderman Barguil was fired. So no, I don't want him on podium
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Posted on 13-12-2017 19:26
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Dutch TV interviewed a specialist in pulmonology today. Conclusion: If you need that much salbutamol your lungs function so bad at that moment that you are incapable of performing and you should be taken out of the race. If you use that much salbutamol while being able to perform it will have an effect on your muscles, which basically means it's doping
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| Kalach |
Posted on 13-12-2017 19:42
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Interesting thoughts from cyclingnews article below. What do you think?
"Froome returned the adverse analytical finding on September 7 and was
informed on September 20. Why did Team Sky and the UCI not comment on the case until now?
In a dreary echo of Alberto Contador's positive test for Clenbuterol on the 2010 Tour de France, it appears the UCI would not have gone public on the news of Froome's adverse analytical finding for salbutamol had the information not been leaked to the press, namely newspapers the Guardian and Le Monde.
Not by coincidence, the UCI and Team Sky statements on Wednesday morning each appeared shortly before Le Monde and The Guardian published their stories. It is thus safe to assume that the case would not have entered the public domain at this point were it not for the work of journalists at the two newspapers.
In its statement on Wednesday morning, the UCI noted that while it voluntarily reports provisional suspensions on its website, Froome is not under suspension, and thus the governing body felt it was not compelled to publicise the case.
This, in turn, raises the obvious and important question as to how many such cases of elevated levels of salbutamol are resolved behind closed doors between riders and the UCI's Cycling Anti-Doping Foundation. It is possible that other such cases have ultimately gone unreported in the past.
By a similar token, it raises the question as to whether Froome – a long-time inhaler user – has previously recorded elevated levels of salbutamol in other anti-doping controls taken during his career.
Froome and Team Sky have stated that the sample in question from stage 18 was the only abnormal sample from the 2017 Vuelta.
Why did Froome publicly announce his decision to ride the 2018 Giro d'Italia when he is facing a possible doping ban?
It seems astonishing that Froome could so cheerily announce his intention to ride next year's Giro – and pick up a rumoured €2 million appearance fee in the process – while facing a potential doping ban. It may be that Froome was simply confident the matter would be resolved privately before the beginning of the 2018 season, but even a reduced ban of the kind handed to Ulissi would prevent the Team Sky rider from taking the start line in Israel on May 4.
Even if Froome escapes a sanction, his credibility has been damaged irretrievably. If the case drags on into May, one wonders whether Froome's welcome will be as lucrative as originally envisaged."
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| trekbmc |
Posted on 13-12-2017 19:48
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ivaneurope wrote:
Because of Kelderman Barguil was fired. So no, I don't want him on podium
This has gotten to personal preference - the Vuelta win shouldn't be reawarded because you don't like the certain riders.
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Posted on 13-12-2017 21:34
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hillis91 wrote:
So if the B sample is positive aswell. What will be the punishment? And, who else is on the juice? Roglic i do belive is on the good stuff.
Uagh my high opinion on you has just decreased so massively. If you pick out Roglic especially please explain why. And while doing so, please check full background stories and the path of development.
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| Shonak |
Posted on 13-12-2017 22:53
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"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| delet0r |
Posted on 13-12-2017 23:36
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as much as i believe in his iillegal behaviour, this interview is nothing you can rely on.
Every rider with GC ambitions will say in interviews, that he is feeling fine, even though he is not. |
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| Ulrich Ulriksen |
Posted on 14-12-2017 01:57
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Maybe I am too optimistic but I actually think this is good news. Here we are arguing over a guy using too much of a drug that everyone knows about on one day of a race in which he was tested every day for that drug (and every day of the TDF). That is miles from the systematic undetected doping of Armstrong.
I had the same reaction to the Fancy Bears hack, an organization that had every motivation to do as much damages as they could only found one cycling case (as far as I know) and that was questionable manipulation of the rules more so than outright breaking of them. If the WADA was hiding massive abuse wouldn't they have found that and exposed something more damning?
So not saying it is good that Froome did this or that Sky isn't engaged in trying to manipulate the rules in their favor but it feels like the scale of the issues is on a much more manageable level and we shouldn't use this to conclude that doping is rife and the sport is as corrupt as ever.
To draw an analogy, if this were soccer, in the Armstrong era we were worried about match-fixing on a massive scale and now we are worried about diving to sucker the ref into giving a penalty. They are both issues and they should both be addressed but I would much rather have the second issue. |
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Posted on 14-12-2017 06:24
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lol Froome just reads up on salbumatol on the internet like us plebs. doesn't he have a doctor to explain it to him, like two months ago? 
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| Kalach |
Posted on 14-12-2017 06:50
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Even though I dont like him - I believe he might be right. Its AAF not positive finding and that drug is not steroid or does not have any pretty significant benefits. But maybe he would not have dropped Nibali hadnt he used it in a such amount
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Posted on 14-12-2017 06:54
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it has an effect when taking such an overdose, see selwink's comment. plus it worrks as masking agent (think clenbuterol case of contador)
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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