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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 16-10-2017 22:22
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Bikex wrote:
I like your move to always safe yourself, if that is true. 
This can also help my explanation on why Croatia:
I never trusted Croatia. Repeated attacks from nowhere, you'd be suspicious if it was you he was after. But despite this no-one else seemed to worry. After another day or two it looked like i was starting to pull people around to this thinking, that Croatia was mafia. But the voting on that day ended in a tie, and i was sick of ties.
So that night, in a piece of anger, i decided to save myself. It worked, the mafia attacked me but i rescued myself. My thinking was, "i must be on the right track". But i also knew i wasn't going to convince enough people to lynch croatia at that point.
Then sh*t got nuts whilst i was away. Then i got a gun. To me there was one choice. Take a shot at the player who had repeatedly tried to lynch me, who was generally suspicious, and when put under real threat of lynching got his mafia friends to attack me at night.
To me, the logic is sound, but clearly it wasn't quite right.
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| jandal7 |
Posted on 16-10-2017 22:37
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You can say it but you can't provide proof from my PM 
24/02/21 - kandesbunzler said “I don't drink famous people."
15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant."
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| Bikex |
Posted on 16-10-2017 22:48
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I don't know why you wouldn't be.
To me your story still sounds quite logical, but so does everyone's I guess. Croatia also appeared to be suspicious to me after he was so determined about that you were mafia already early in the game.* After I said that he turned on me, which was also kind of weird to me. I know in my case he was wrong, he could've been in yours as well I guess.
*My quote from back then:
Spoiler What makes me think about Croatia is why he is so determined to lynch TMM. Why did he vote to lynch him, when it was basically already decided that it will be either ryant or hillis? He must've known that this won't change anything. Did he do that to show that he isn't voting out a town member (hillis), which would be the natural action by a member of the mafia
After another day or two it looked like i was starting to pull people around to this thinking, that Croatia was mafia. But the voting on that day ended in a tie, and i was sick of ties. So that night, in a piece of anger, i decided to save myself.
But the day several people voted on Croatia was the day after the doctor save.
For now I'm not withdrawing my vote on wsf as I'd still like to hear something from him, considering he still leads the lynch rankings. |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 16-10-2017 22:57
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Well then, i only got the gun today. Could have been yesterday (game time) but i wasn't here so i'm a touch confused on the specifics.
Was the Croatia tie after the save? I might well be wrong, i knew they were very close together. Equally i don't write down my specific thoughts on everyone every day. Regardless, the two events link in my head so one caused the other after a few days of Croatia trying to kill me.
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| weirdskyfan64 |
Posted on 17-10-2017 06:24
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Well, I didn’t see that coming. I trusted TMM and not Croatia, but it should have been the other way round. Maybe I should listen next time.
Lynch TheManxMissile
Disclaimer- Most of my posts are me thinking aloud. And most of what I think is rubbish.
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"... Because he (me) has a sound tactical mind in general..." jandal7, at 9:30 am GMT on 12th May 2016
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| trekbmc |
Posted on 17-10-2017 06:39
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I was a little bit panicked and a little bit sleep deprived last night and probably argued about smaller things then I should've. The situation is pretty simple imo:
1. You killed a (at least mostly trusted) townie without bothering to discuss it with the rest of the town.
2. You revealed yourself as doctor to save yourself despite the fact that it had been said a few times that the doctor should take their secret to the grave.
Despite these unclairities I think it would be much more stupid by the Godfather to use a gun now. Sure he could've hoped on the 50% but is the risk really worth it. If we look at it, it is going well for the mafia at the moment and the town is looking more actively for the Terrorist. From the Godfather's point of view, it would've been way smarter to keep his gun until he gets in the focus, instead of using it now and potentially getting into the focus right away.
Perhaps the list I posted (wsf, Ian, bikex, TMM) actually contained both mafia, so he was worried that the gunsmith would hand out a gun to an actual townie and that this would mean we could kill the whole list. So the mafia had to act desperately or maybe he just wasn't paying enough attention to the thread like he claims?
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About you saying you didn't agree with the plan I posted:
Your post at the top of page 21 was quite agreeing, you said that you might be biased towards Croatia but were willing to trust him now and that you believed we shouldn't focus on TMM before we caught the terrorist. Hardly disagreeing.
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 17-10-2017 13:05
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Lynch The Manx Missile
I have believed you are the godfather for a couple of days now, I'm a little unsure on who the last mafia member is but was leaning towards it being WSF, which is why I voted to lynch him originally, I was going to make a post outlining why TMM has to be the godfather just before the deadline so it was out there incase I got night killed tonight, and late enough that I couldn't be blown up if the terrorist is still alive (which I believe knockout was but seeing as everyone else believes he is still alive I was going to wait to make sure the mafia couldn't kill 2 townies, but the gun did that anyway.)
My other candidate for the last remaining mafia is Bikex, I had narrowed it down to between him and WSF before TMM fired the gun. I was leaning towards it being WSF due to his lack of posts and none of them being overly useful or insightful but everything Bikex has posted since the gunshot is only convincing me that he is the last remaining mafia and not WSF.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 17-10-2017 13:57
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sammyt93 wrote:
Lynch The Manx Missile
I have believed you are the godfather for a couple of days now, I'm a little unsure on who the last mafia member is but was leaning towards it being WSF, which is why I voted to lynch him originally, I was going to make a post outlining why TMM has to be the godfather just before the deadline so it was out there incase I got night killed tonight, and late enough that I couldn't be blown up if the terrorist is still alive (which I believe knockout was but seeing as everyone else believes he is still alive I was going to wait to make sure the mafia couldn't kill 2 townies, but the gun did that anyway.)
My other candidate for the last remaining mafia is Bikex, I had narrowed it down to between him and WSF before TMM fired the gun. I was leaning towards it being WSF due to his lack of posts and none of them being overly useful or insightful but everything Bikex has posted since the gunshot is only convincing me that he is the last remaining mafia and not WSF.
If knockout was the terrorist, I would think he would have suicided himself with the bomb after his gunshot and before the lynching was a official. He was still active, so I don't know why he wouldn't as a smart player. That's why we think the real terrorist is still out there.
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 17-10-2017 14:09
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baseballlover312 wrote:
sammyt93 wrote:
Lynch The Manx Missile
I have believed you are the godfather for a couple of days now, I'm a little unsure on who the last mafia member is but was leaning towards it being WSF, which is why I voted to lynch him originally, I was going to make a post outlining why TMM has to be the godfather just before the deadline so it was out there incase I got night killed tonight, and late enough that I couldn't be blown up if the terrorist is still alive (which I believe knockout was but seeing as everyone else believes he is still alive I was going to wait to make sure the mafia couldn't kill 2 townies, but the gun did that anyway.)
My other candidate for the last remaining mafia is Bikex, I had narrowed it down to between him and WSF before TMM fired the gun. I was leaning towards it being WSF due to his lack of posts and none of them being overly useful or insightful but everything Bikex has posted since the gunshot is only convincing me that he is the last remaining mafia and not WSF.
If knockout was the terrorist, I would think he would have suicided himself with the bomb after his gunshot and before the lynching was a official. He was still active, so I don't know why he wouldn't as a smart player. That's why we think the real terrorist is still out there.
It's the fact he's a smart player that makes me think that he would have used the gunshot, and deliberately not used the bomb, to make us think the bomb is still out there as it clearly is factoring into the discussion.
If he had used it then we would be one townie less, but we would know that any power roles could come forward and claim, without fear from the bomb, and we would be able to reduce the number of potential mafia candidates down fairly easily, as there was only 2 mafia left a fake claim would be easy to challenge and we would have had enough players left to take out the fake claiming mafia even if we accidentally lynched the townie that actually had the role first.
Basically the bomb is a one time threat, and as such it's almost better to leave the threat of it out there then use it, same way with why we wouldn't want a detective claim to be made too early or why weapons only get used late in the game, the longer the threat is present the more dangerous it becomes as the consequences of evening out the players and the consequences of a wrong lynch by the town becomes greater.
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| Bikex |
Posted on 17-10-2017 14:28
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God damned guys! Think! It doesn't make any sense for the godfather to risk being revealed at this point.
@trekbmc: I agreed with your plan, but not with the list.
@sammyt: I'm aware that my posts since then make me a little bit more suspicious, but in my oppinion I make valid points. If TMM and me are mafia like you think it would be smarter for me to stay back, wouldn't it?
I have also thought that knockout could've been the terrorist, but don't think it is very likely and either way we should act like the terrorist is still alive.
I think we should stick to the plan and lynch either wsf or Ian Butler now! Wsf has again failed to comment about the suspicions directed in his direction. I find that kind of alarming.
We have a high chance of hitting a mafia guy when removing wsf or Ian, in my oppinion a higher one than when lynching TMM! |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 17-10-2017 14:36
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I see no other way than to lynch TheManxMissile.
We should be mindful of a tie, though, we can't afford a non-lynch right now. |
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| Bikex |
Posted on 17-10-2017 14:40
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Argh
lynch Ian Butler |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 17-10-2017 14:43
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Care to explain? |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 17-10-2017 14:46
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At this moment (when is the deadline actually?) I have the following lynch votes:
Croatia votes to lynch Bikex (does this still count when he is dead?)
Bikex votes to lynch Ian Butler
TMM votes to lynch weirdskyfan
trek votes to lynch TMM
BBL votes to lynch TMM
WSF votes to lynch TMM
Ian votes to lynch TMM
Can someone double check for me?
For me it's certain TMM is mafia now, therefor I changed my vote. Should be obvious after what's happened. |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 17-10-2017 14:47
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Oh and Sammy votes to lynch TMM. |
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 17-10-2017 15:00
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5 votes out of 7 for tmm should probably end the day, if Jandal was online then he would have ended it already, the same as the knockout lynch.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 17-10-2017 15:02
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sammyt93 wrote:
5 votes out of 7 for tmm should probably end the day, if Jandal was online then he would have ended it already, the same as the knockout lynch.
Yes, in the rules we find:
IF 16 OR MORE (over half of the participants) vote for the same person, that person is lynched immediately, and the night will start.
So we'll wait for official confirmation, but probably best to end the day here  |
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| Bikex |
Posted on 17-10-2017 15:04
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sammyt93 wrote:
5 votes out of 7 for tmm should probably end the day, if Jandal was online then he would have ended it already, the same as the knockout lynch.
Stupid rules. I still want to make a post explaining my actions and banked on the deadline.. |
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 17-10-2017 15:10
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Bikex wrote:
sammyt93 wrote:
5 votes out of 7 for tmm should probably end the day, if Jandal was online then he would have ended it already, the same as the knockout lynch.
Stupid rules. I still want to make a post explaining my actions and banked on the deadline..
You were not the one lynched so unless you are night killed you can do so tomorrow when day starts again.
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| Bikex |
Posted on 17-10-2017 15:19
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sammyt93 wrote:
Bikex wrote:
sammyt93 wrote:
5 votes out of 7 for tmm should probably end the day, if Jandal was online then he would have ended it already, the same as the knockout lynch.
Stupid rules. I still want to make a post explaining my actions and banked on the deadline..
You were not the one lynched so unless you are night killed you can do so tomorrow when day starts again.
But I'm probably right about TMM not being mafia and hoped I can get some convinced to vote in another way. If I'm right I think it is likely the mafia will kill me tonight.
However if I understand the rules correctly 16 or more have to vote for the same person to end the day.
Is it preferred that I do not post anymore? I guess until jandal confirms the alignment of the person killed the discussion could theoretically go on, as there is no new information.. |
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