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| jseadog1 |
Posted on 13-10-2017 16:15
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Okay so this is what I have to say. I just hope everyone can trust me for one round to see that I am capable of making good decisions.
We need to get rid of knockout, and we need to do it now. If you give the opportunity this round to me, you will see I am a trusted town member. Trusting Raziz, Croatia14 & TheManxMissile is also a good idea at the moment as far as I am able to see from reading posts on here. I would also trust trekbmc like everyone else has been implying.
I also trust baseballlover312 right now but as events unfold that could always change. I am suspicious of anyone that voted to lynch me so sammyt93 may need to be looked into.
Lynch knockout. You won't regret it.
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| jseadog1 |
Posted on 13-10-2017 16:16
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As far as my reasoning why. He has been taking everything with so much complexity that its so easy to overlook everything he has been doing, which is keeping himself under the radar as a target. I would go as far to say as anyone who has been taking knockouts side the whole time should be looked into, but I have not went back and read everything and do not have time.
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 13-10-2017 16:33
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jseadog1 wrote:
Okay so this is what I have to say. I just hope everyone can trust me for one round to see that I am capable of making good decisions.
We need to get rid of knockout, and we need to do it now. If you give the opportunity this round to me, you will see I am a trusted town member. Trusting Raziz, Croatia14 & TheManxMissile is also a good idea at the moment as far as I am able to see from reading posts on here. I would also trust trekbmc like everyone else has been implying.
I also trust baseballlover312 right now but as events unfold that could always change. I am suspicious of anyone that voted to lynch me so sammyt93 may need to be looked into.
Lynch knockout. You won't regret it.
My vote for you was because I trust Croatia to be town and think that lynching him would have been a huge mistake judging from what I have read from him.
Your trust me post and the unassuredness in your play suggested to me you were either the cc or mafia, but more likely the cc, which in my opinion would have been a lesser loss than Croatia. I was and still am sure enough that Croatia is important that I was willing to risk lynching anybody else to save him, and would have voted to lynch myself if it was between the 2 of us if it saved him.
I knew it was a close vote and if I could have been online until the deadline then I would have just reacted to a late mafia vote for him by cancelling it out, but knowing that was the closest to the deadline I could be online I felt I had to vote to lynch you as a preemptive vote to save him.
If you think me suspicious because of it then by all means ask more questions, I can stay online for roughly 20 more minutes, then I can answer anything yku wsnt tonight after I get back from work.
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| jseadog1 |
Posted on 13-10-2017 16:37
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What role do you really think knockout is playing in this game?
Also, besides me (if true), who else do you not trust at the moment and why?
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 13-10-2017 16:42
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As for who I want to vote for this time I will lynch knockout .
It seems like he has been solely focused on me instead of trying to ask questions to others. Even if he is convinced I am mafia, which it seems he is, it feels like I will not be able to convince him otherwise which makes me question why he remains so focused on me alone when there are 3 mafia members still alive.
I am now more and more believing he is trying to take me out to remove my reasoning from the discussions or to distract me but unlike him I have still managed to provide my thoughts on other players whilst maintaining our conversation.
I also want to add that I have waited patiently before voting to lynch him because I didn't want it to look like it was a panic reaction after he voted to lynch me the previous 2 days and that as he was generally trusted until now I knew it would look worse on me than it eoukd on him to do it more out of the blue rather than wait until he was at least coming under scrutiny from others.
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Posted on 13-10-2017 16:52
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Well jseadog, if you want to play out the detective card then you better say it now. You are strongly implying for two days that you are a detective (no, croatia was surely not the only one to notice that) to lead the discussion away from a few members (TMM, hillis). Come out and claim it properly so that everyone will see you're bluffing after you misslynch me which based on the posts by jseadog, sammyt, trek and croatia is bound to happen 
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| jseadog1 |
Posted on 13-10-2017 16:55
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knockout wrote:
Well jseadog, if you want to play out the detective card then you better say it now. You are strongly implying for two days that you are a detective (no, croatia was surely not the only one to notice that) to lead the discussion away from a few members (TMM, hillis). Come out and claim it properly so that everyone will see you're bluffing after you misslynch me which based on the posts by jseadog, sammyt, trek and croatia is bound to happen
Nobody is falling for your tricks...
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 13-10-2017 16:56
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@knockout: I am hoping for any comment of you on the discussion between bikex on me - would you mind giving one?
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 13-10-2017 16:56
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jseadog1 wrote:
What role do you really think knockout is playing in this game?
Also, besides me (if true), who else do you not trust at the moment and why?
I posted my previous post before reading your questions for me, I think that should help clear up that I honk knockout if mafia, my other possibility is that if you are not the cc than he is and got a mafia read on me early but the longer the game goes on the more I believe knockout to be mafia as the cc would have likely had some confirmation by now with the amount dead and treks mason claim going uncontested proving him to be town.
If knockout was the cc as I originally believed then I would have thought that he would have figured out he is cc and not detective and stopped questioning just me and moved on to questioning others or at least broadened his questioning to others as well.
I don't trust wsf he is the only really quiet person not taken out which to me is suspicious and if he is town then losing him doesn't lose any discussion so I think if we run out of lynch targets he would be the person I go for.
Like I said I after your recent posts I started to think you could be CC, and knockout as mafia, which losing the cc is less bad for town than losing Croatia.
I'm not sure enough on anybody else to name them now, bit I'll have a look through after work and see if I missed anyone and answer anything else then.
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| knockout |
Posted on 13-10-2017 17:01
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@Croatia
Croatia14 wrote:
Further suspicions on knockout from me. I'm very surprised he didn't really say anything about the "different positions" of bikex and me yet, despite calling them very interesting two days ago and claiming that he'll think about them. And as I'd judge from my game experience with him it is pretty untypical to not tell what he thinks about this situation. I'd like to hear something of you on this, knockout 
You're probably right on this. I like to write longer situation analysis about a few things once i'm sure about it. But there is the problem with the "different positions": I have a pretty unclear idea about who you two are. I got the feeling that Croatia is probably more pro-town but I'm rather unsure about Bikex. I felt like i've got a bigger chance of casting a shadow over sammyt who i saw as the one most likely to be mafia after his reply back then if i ignore any side wars. But since you specifically asked me for a longer analysis of the situation here it is:
Croatia14 wrote:
Bikex wrote:
I'm probably not very good at telling but I think jseadog, bbl and maybe sammyt are probably pro town.
Croatia, weirdskyfan, trekbmc and to a lesser extent knockout seem kind of suspicious to me...
Please tell me why?
I am still a fan of going for TMM. Ryant is not my preferred take-on. Bikex surprised me as well with his shootaround here, I guess it's either him and 1 of the other 3 mentioned by him (weirdskyfan, trekbmc & knockout) and he's trying to protect them in advance if he gets killed or none of them (mafia knows who the other mafia members are right - or does only the godfather know?)
This seems to be the starting point of the opposing positions. Bikex calls out a bunch of names to look suspicious without reasoning which is imo more of a mafia thing to do. Croatia rightfully calls him out for that. Croatia's argument that either two or none of them are mafia is a weak one. Especially, because a town mafia would mean that Bikex doesnt know the allignments of wsf, trek and me. I like the first part of his idea that if Bikex is correct then likely one of wsf,trek and me would likely be in there but the second part ("or none" is a small logic hole. In the first place i thought that croatia (in this scenario mafia) might have actually slipped this "or none" in there to clear wsf/trek from doubt if he gets Bikex lynched but i realized only later that this was too paranoid by me.
Then you changed from your previous lynch TMM to lynch Bikex based on the hint by jdog which makes me feel that you're town because a mafia would probably have ignored that.
My take on Bikex: I'm still very undecided about him. Really have no idea about his role.
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| knockout |
Posted on 13-10-2017 17:11
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trekbmc wrote:
Wow, didn't expect Ryant going out! 
We have to lynch today really and with these kills of the less active players, it makes me kinda suspect Knockout more, if the strongest/least suspicious players where dying and Knockout didn't, he would stick out like a sore thumb, this way a strong player on the mafia can just blend in. He also made quite a big post earlier when I said I suspected him but it didn't really include any new information per se.
Tbh, me surviving this long was always going to look suspicious after the previous round. If the strongest/most active players remain "Oh look only weak players are dead" and if the weakest/least active players remain "Oh look he is the only active/strong player who remains alive, surely that has a reason". Sorry but this is a non-argument.
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 13-10-2017 17:13
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Thank you very much knockout! It clears up a lot of questions. Not really in terms of what we could think of either bikex or me, as that could've been a last attempt mafia move to attack one of us/save on of us of a person that looks likely to be killed, but we'll get to know more about that in the future (after we know whether you were mafia or town?)
Should've explained that "no-one" maybe more. May do that when I come back from Volleyball, but can't promise to be active in this period as I'll only have spare access via mobile phone on daily in this time.
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| trekbmc |
Posted on 13-10-2017 17:20
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knockout wrote:
trekbmc wrote:
Wow, didn't expect Ryant going out!
We have to lynch today really and with these kills of the less active players, it makes me kinda suspect Knockout more, if the strongest/least suspicious players where dying and Knockout didn't, he would stick out like a sore thumb, this way a strong player on the mafia can just blend in. He also made quite a big post earlier when I said I suspected him but it didn't really include any new information per se.
Tbh, me surviving this long was always going to look suspicious after the previous round. If the strongest/most active players remain "Oh look only weak players are dead" and if the weakest/least active players remain "Oh look he is the only active/strong player who remains alive, surely that has a reason". Sorry but this is a non-argument.
It's an argument that a strong player who knows a bit about last season is in the mafia, you can't discount my argument by saying that it's unfair for you, it's just the curse of being a good player.
It wasn't the strongest point of those made as well, there are stronger arguments for you to be lynched in the last page and a half as well.
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Posted on 13-10-2017 17:23
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trekbmc wrote:
Sorry for the triple post but something I've just remembered is that Knockout always sticks by the advice that the 'town should always lynch.' However, I haven't really seen many lynch votes from him this game and I don't think any not directed at Sammy, not playing by his own advice to the town really makes him way too suspicious for me and I think we should lynch him today.
Lynch Knockout
Lynh
You've ignored one key part of my message: If the town's attempt to lynch makes the targetted townie seem less suspicious it isnt necessarily bad to no lynch. But you have at least to discuss like no lynch isnt an option. That way you have plenty of things (arguments, seeing who joins bandwaggons) to analyze afterwards - especially if you are succesful with a lynch. If you go into the situation without wanting to lynch someone he will feel no pressure and won't make mistakes.
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Posted on 13-10-2017 17:32
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trekbmc wrote:
knockout wrote:
trekbmc wrote:
Wow, didn't expect Ryant going out!
We have to lynch today really and with these kills of the less active players, it makes me kinda suspect Knockout more, if the strongest/least suspicious players where dying and Knockout didn't, he would stick out like a sore thumb, this way a strong player on the mafia can just blend in. He also made quite a big post earlier when I said I suspected him but it didn't really include any new information per se.
Tbh, me surviving this long was always going to look suspicious after the previous round. If the strongest/most active players remain "Oh look only weak players are dead" and if the weakest/least active players remain "Oh look he is the only active/strong player who remains alive, surely that has a reason". Sorry but this is a non-argument.
It's an argument that a strong player who knows a bit about last season is in the mafia, you can't discount my argument by saying that it's unfair for you, it's just the curse of being a good player.
It wasn't the strongest point of those made as well, there are stronger arguments for you to be lynched in the last page and a half as well.
I'm not saying it's unfair. I was just pointing at it that this one isnt necessarily a good argument
I know there are enough arguments around that will be enough to get me lynched after the detective claim by jseadog (let's not be kidding ourself, he might not have wrote that but he did claim the role).
I'm taking my last chance to get out of this situation: I'm using the gun that a nice fellow townie gave me tonight on jseadog (i think you must not post anymore), jandal will hopefully confirm shortly that i indeed took a shot. Should it end up killing a pro-town member it will mean that the other CC/detective will now know his role
Should it hit a mafia member it clears me.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 13-10-2017 17:55
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We're obviously at a critical moment here, and I think it's useless to say anything now but to await the gunshot confirmation. Which will basically give us our first mafia reading (either jseadog or, more likely, knockout) |
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| trekbmc |
Posted on 13-10-2017 18:25
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Why does Knockout have a gun?! 
Unless I'm very surprised by Jesadog's result it pretty much confirms that Knockout is mafia. This would leave us at 7 vs 2 and means that Raziz, TMM and Croatia are not terrorists but could be GF or townie. A workable situation but not great.
Would be good to have some clarification from the rules for gunsmiths as I don't full understand them btw - if they alive and are allowed another gun they should hand them out to somebody confirmed before they die - but I don't fully understand if it's only one gun or not.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 13-10-2017 18:49
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Well, this is quite a turn of events to come back from class to.
At this point I'm kind of dumbstruck. I really thought ryant was mafia, so that ones on me, although the mafia taking out a distraction is also counter intuitive to me. Of course, we could go on about reverse psychology for days, so you never really know what the true intent of that stuff is unless you're on the other side of it.
I think it's pretty safe to say knockout is mafia at this point, seeing not only what's transpired, but his reaction to it being to kill off the likely detective. That's pretty much all you need to know about that. Jdog has been hinting at being the detective for a while now. I wasn't going to mention it to out him obviously, but it was getting clear to the point that it was only a matter of time before the mafia also discovered this.
It would be interesting to know who Jdog had investigated. All the names trek just mentioned will definitely be on the list, though he did said he was only 90% sure which means these were likely one time investigations and the Godfather could be among them. He mentioned TMM, Raziz, Croatia, myself and obviously trek as people he trusts. I would assume this means that those names were people he investigated, but I can't be sure. Obviously, as I said, one of those people could be the Godfather, but I'd see the others as our first priority if Jdog is revealed to be Protown, and knockout mafia, as I suspect. We can then single out the mafia member(s) among the others, which gives us much better chances. We should at least get one that way.
Now that we probably know the detective, it would also be interesting to figure out who the CC is just to make sure there's no doubt regarding Jdog's predictions. Of course that's now a role that could be claimed by bluff pretty easily now with so many players out, but I figure it's still worth a shot to maybe confirm Jdog's positions a bit more and use those as our base. Jseadog might have figured out pretty well through trial and error that he was the actual detective, but since he can't talk anymore, we can't assume that 100%.
That all said:
Lynch knockout
I'll only change my vote if someone knockout's gunshot reveals Jseadog1 was mafia, which like I said, is extremely unlikely at this point.
As far as the whole Bikex/Croatia debate goes, I still think chances are one of them is mafia. However, so much of their discussions have just been accusations without much based to them from both sides that I'll have to reread all the discussion between them again to try to pick out the substance in them. I'll be able to make a judgment after that hopefully. Croatia being backed by Jseadog in the end may make Bikex a prime suspect.
Weirdskyfan should be the next one we call out, he's way too quiet in my opinion. But that's a problem to address after this is sorted.
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 13-10-2017 19:48
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As expected...whoever gave knockout a gun: maybe not the smartest of moves...
not much to add to the discussion right now, we'll see what happenes with the gunshot...only one thing:
that is not 100% given, but very likely - could also be a very well played Mafia move...shouldn't happen anyways
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Posted on 13-10-2017 20:00
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Croatia14 wrote:
that is not 100% given, but very likely - could also be a very well played Mafia move...shouldn't happen anyways
Imagine this action with me, jseadog and trek being mafia. That would be the ultimative mega balls of steel strategy
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