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| ryant |
Posted on 11-10-2017 23:23
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In response I lynch jseadog1, he seems to have a pointless vendetta against me based on one single post even when others are coming around to the fact I'm pro-town. He isn't good for the town's conversation at this point in my opinion and so he must go.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 11-10-2017 23:25
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Except the mafia don't have to kill trek to win, they've only got to balance the numbers. It's the town who has to kill all the mafia. So the mafia could leave trek completely alone, knowing he can't save anyone or rat them out, he'd be probably the least dangerous player to them in the whole town right now. Why kill someone that can't keep alive other townies? Why kill someone who can't investigate you? The answer is, you don't.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 11-10-2017 23:35
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ryant wrote:
In response I lynch jseadog1, he seems to have a pointless vendetta against me based on one single post even when others are coming around to the fact I'm pro-town. He isn't good for the town's conversation at this point in my opinion and so he must go.
You aren't suspicious just for the first comment. you are suspicious because the only strategies you are coming up with would directly serve to bait our most valuable member into getting himself killed. We've countered why that's a bad idea, and gotten nothing from your side. Besides that, no other meaningful activity. Instead of explaining yourself further, you simply deflect the blame. I'm not saying I'm 100% sure, and if you are town, I admit fault. But we're lynching today no matter what now. And your actions scream mafia to me more than anyone else.
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Posted on 11-10-2017 23:38
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Except the mafia don't have to kill trek to win, they've only got to balance the numbers. It's the town who has to kill all the mafia. So the mafia could leave trek completely alone, knowing he can't save anyone or rat them out, he'd be probably the least dangerous player to them in the whole town right now. Why kill someone that can't keep alive other townies? Why kill someone who can't investigate you? The answer is, you don't.
This was exactly my point. You wouldn't kill the one guy you know doesn't have a special role that could come back to bite you. You'd kill anyone else just for the chance to kill a doctor or detective. So while I can't say I have any leads on who was saved, I'm pretty certain trek wasn't. It just wouldn't make sense. trek is not the biggest threat now, and as you said, he may never be. The mafia needs equal numbers to win, not to kill everyone.
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| ryant |
Posted on 11-10-2017 23:42
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ryant wrote:
In response I lynch jseadog1, he seems to have a pointless vendetta against me based on one single post even when others are coming around to the fact I'm pro-town. He isn't good for the town's conversation at this point in my opinion and so he must go.
You aren't suspicious just for the first comment. you are suspicious because the only strategies you are coming up with would directly serve to bait our most valuable member into getting himself killed. We've countered why that's a bad idea, and gotten nothing from your side. Besides that, no other meaningful activity. Instead of explaining yourself further, you simply deflect the blame. I'm not saying I'm 100% sure, and if you are town, I admit fault. But we're lynching today no matter what now. And your actions scream mafia to me more than anyone else.
Lynch ryant
I've already explained my point of view earlier if you haven't bothered to read what I said, as its just lead to this situation of he said/she said which doesn't benefit town at all. I do admit I overlooked the fact that there's still a terrorist out there as I only focused on the fact a detective claim would be night immune. I'd hardly say that wanting the town to make an informed decision makes me a mafia member, but it seems you cant buy logic in this town :/
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| jseadog1 |
Posted on 11-10-2017 23:47
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Bad idea to lynch me. That is all I have to say
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 11-10-2017 23:52
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Except the mafia don't have to kill trek to win, they've only got to balance the numbers. It's the town who has to kill all the mafia. So the mafia could leave trek completely alone, knowing he can't save anyone or rat them out, he'd be probably the least dangerous player to them in the whole town right now. Why kill someone that can't keep alive other townies? Why kill someone who can't investigate you? The answer is, you don't.
I can see the logic in trying to find the doctor or detective however every confirmed town player is one less player alive that can still be mafia.
The mafia is still at the same odds of 9 town to 3 mafia after treks mason confession and the doctor save but as far as the town is concerned that is actually 8 to 3 as we can rule trek out from being mafia, so by leaving him alive the mafia effectively hands the town a free player that won't be lynched but can still contribute towards discussions.
The town has a 37.5% chance of a random lynch hitting a mafia member. If the mafia take out trek that doesn't give the town better odds but if they take out a different townie that changes to 3 in 7 for our lynch to be a mafia member which is 43%.
If they leave trek alive and get to 4 vs 3 and it's the towns turn they end up 50/50 lynch chance of being mafia assuming nobody else is confirmed town still alive at that point.
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 11-10-2017 23:57
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And missing out the word them from that first line when I rewrote it is probably going to convince knockout further that I am mafia instead of him looking at my reasoning and critiquing/ countering the logic behind it.
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| ryant |
Posted on 12-10-2017 00:01
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A very interesting defence, something I should have tried earlier 
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| jseadog1 |
Posted on 12-10-2017 00:33
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Lynch noone
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 12-10-2017 01:09
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Care to explain?
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| jseadog1 |
Posted on 12-10-2017 02:58
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I think I've figured out the doctor and detective. I also have to save my ass because I can promise you I am pro town and lynching me will be a bad idea. I know I've been flip flopping but I have reasons for doing so. I just need someone to trust me for a few rounds until things unfold.
With two votes for me though I have to even the odds or risk being killed so I have to switch.Lynch Croatia14 didn't want to do it but I have to
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| Raziz |
Posted on 12-10-2017 06:25
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Following knockout's post about the mason rules, trek has been cleared of any wrongdoing and is certainly pro-town.
WSF has been playing it completely different to everyone else and has so far gotten away with it. If we don't get a mafia kill with this current lynching he could be an easy option to go for the next day as he has had next to no impact on town discussions, meaning there isn't much to lose. Although this, he could even be the doctor and have kept things on the low for as long as possible.
BBL's continued driving beliefs of having to lynch someone for me puts him into a close to certain townie category.
I have the belief that Ryant made a big mistake earlier and is trying to rectify it now. I really don't think that he is mafia (won't lynch him), but if we do lynch him and is mafia, it's fine by me.
TMM's alignment to the town seems inevitable to me participating in most of the town discussions.
Jseadog's adamancy on continuing the discussion could mean a few things, he is either an impatient townie, or a mafia who wants to get on with it, without being too suspicious or completely anonymous. Would like to a hear a response to be honest just to clear yourself up a bit, but with the seemingly pro-town comments from everyone else, it'll be tough to lynch anyone else.
I would like to think that Sammyt is pro-town after all the discussion he has put out there. For this reason, he is pro-town right now for me.
Knockout has in large been the same old self from the last game and so that holds him in good stead to be pro-town.
As for Bikex and Croatia, I would assume one of them are townies. Not sure which one and for that reason I won't lynch either.
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| weirdskyfan64 |
Posted on 12-10-2017 07:52
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Right then. What do I really think?
Well, sammyt, BBL, TMM, ryant and Bikex are innocent as far as I'm concerned.
sammyt appears to be trying to do the best for the town, as does TMM - and he and Bikex are on Croatia's random kill list. BBL is also keen to pick out suspects without random finger pointing. And I'm not convinced by this whole 'blame ryant' campaign. Nothing he's done so far has really struck me as suspicious.
On the mafia side, Croatia has just posted large pieces of text interspersed with unsubstantiated lynches - I don't see how this could be helpful if he is town. I've already stated why I think jseadog is guilty. I don't trust trek's explanation, but I don't trust Raziz and knockout the most.
Both seem to be intent on proving how everyone is pro town, especially Raziz with the post above. Both also seem intent on sweeping the whole trek saga under the carpet, which I'm not convinced is solved. By not blaming anyone, they help the mafia in two ways:
1. muddying the waters for the town by spreading confusion
2. not lynching anyone, therefore increasing the chances of the mafia winning
Why have I turned suspicion on these 'helpful' posts? There's no sort of finger pointing, therefore aiding the mafia as I've said above.
As for Ian, I don’t fully buy his ‘staying out of they game for ages then playing the inexperienced card’ schtick, but as he said him and I have played similar games, and I’m definitely pro-town, so I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.
That's my two pence.
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| Raziz |
Posted on 12-10-2017 08:06
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weirdskyfan64 wrote:
Right then. What do I really think?
I don't trust Raziz and knockout the most.
Both seem to be intent on proving how everyone is pro town, especially Raziz with the post above. Both also seem intent on sweeping the whole trek saga under the carpet, which I'm not convinced is solved. By not blaming anyone, they help the mafia in two ways:
1. muddying the waters for the town by spreading confusion
2. not lynching anyone, therefore increasing the chances of the mafia winning
Why have I turned suspicion on these 'helpful' posts? There's no sort of finger pointing, therefore aiding the mafia as I've said above.
That's my two pence.
Alright, I am saying everyone is acting pro-town because they must to survive and stay on the good side, pretty much stating the truth. What's wrong with that? I certainly did not "sweep the trek saga under the carpet" as I explained how he could be mafia and then my point was corrected as I didn't realise that the mason's knew each others' roles, thus has to be pro-town, in fact nearly all of my influential posts recently have been talking about the 'trek saga'. Also, I couldn't blame anyone too much because I have to use what they have said, not some random outlandish theories from left field. Of course everyone wants to stay in the game so they must act like this, it's just who's faking it. Not sure what confusion, I just displayed my thoughts on what was going on, thus 'finger pointing' is not necessary from my part. Finally, I did lynch someone... |
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Posted on 12-10-2017 08:21
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I’m not saying you didn’t mention the Trek saga - far from it. It is because you’re mentioning it that you’re sweeping it under the carpet - clearing him of all wrongdoing and leaving it at that.
That was just a clarification - I’m not trying to provoke or begin handbags.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 12-10-2017 10:11
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Well, we're heading for another dead-heat in lynch voting which really helps no-one. Those guys who've voted for someone by themselves, i reckon you guys should change your vote to one of the leading contenders so we can try and make some progress as a town. Frankly you can make your own decision as to who, but all this individual voting is unhelpful
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| jandal7 |
Posted on 12-10-2017 10:31
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Just a reminder for no edits in posts please  also since lynch voting is in full swing but not done yet I will give another 2 hours for the day (so 1 hour extension) but that's it.
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 12-10-2017 10:55
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Well, we're heading for another dead-heat in lynch voting which really helps no-one. Those guys who've voted for someone by themselves, i reckon you guys should change your vote to one of the leading contenders so we can try and make some progress as a town. Frankly you can make your own decision as to who, but all this individual voting is unhelpful
I count 3 votes for jseadog, 2 for Croatia and 1 for ryant and 1 for knockout, unless I have missed something I don't think it is currently tied.
I think Croatia is town and I don't think it would be wise to lynch him, I'm not sure about jseadog, he seems like he is panicking a little and is trying to make out like he knows more than he does, but isn't actually alluding to anything useful yet as far as I can tell.
Just saying he needs someone to trust him for a few rounds until things unfold makes it sound like he knows something but if he is close to being lynched and thinks he is about to go it would probably be better to just say it to make sure it's not lost if he is the one lynched rather than allude to it.
Therefore I think he might be bluffing to stay in.
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| Bikex |
Posted on 12-10-2017 11:03
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jandal7 wrote:
Just a reminder for no edits in posts please also since lynch voting is in full swing but not done yet I will give another 2 hours for the day (so 1 hour extension) but that's it.
Can you please give a little longer
I’m writing an exam in a few hours and haven’t really had time to think much about who to lynch. Also I guess some should still have the chance to make a statement. I’d still like to read something from Croatia and jseadog should also explain himself what the reasons he claims he has for his behaviour are. |
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