sammyt93 wrote:
Is this not similar to how you figured it who was the detective last game but suggested before there is a false claim like there was last time?
Oh and I'm not sure if I said it previous or not but in my opinion finding ryant's role would be useful as he is either town or the godfather, I'm not sure which and wouldn't be able to guess either way without more evidence but I don't think he is either the terrorist or the mafia goon as he would be found out as soon as he is investigated. At the moment I am leaning toward him being town but there is a little bit of suspicion still.
I assume you mainly refer to this proposed strategy: https://pcmdaily.c...st_1245740 . That was imo a very different situation. I'll try to explain it again:
Try to put yourself into my position:
- i am a normal townee with no special role
- trek claims to be detective, trek claims that he got a mafia read on me
-> i know trek cannot be detective but only CC or mafia (any other townee would have absolutely no reason to pull that stunt). Also I pretty quickly got the feeling that trek is more likely mafia than town because of how he tried to sound cautious.
My goal is of course that the town wins - not necessarily that i will survive till the end. For that it means that if i die early that is no problem as long as the town in general benefits. That means:
- If my death means that a mafia member will die it will be worth it.
- If my death means that the detective knows for sure that he is the detective that's also okay.
- If the detective sacrifizes himself to save me (posting his town-read on me would mean that he doesnt live long - either by night kill or terrorist) that would be a catastrophe for the town as they get no benefit from the detective
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I didn't even consider that i would survive the situation without another detective claim. In fact i would probably have pushed to lynch the suggested mafia member if it would be anyone but me
Because of that my actions & proposed strategies after his claim had two goals in mind:
1. Protect the detective so that he doesnt claim his role (what some others tried to call for)
2. Get trekbmc lynched. Either he's mafia or getting him lynched tells the detective that he is indeed the detective and not the confused cop.
Everything that happened last season and every analysis of mine should be read with that background in mind.
sammyt93 wrote:
Well 8 town to 3 mafia would still be a good ratio for the detective to find the mafia. The biggest risk as I see it would be either the detective or the doctor getting killed by the mafia in that time and that might be too big of a risk to take, that said there is a risk of that before they find any mafia members anyway even if we don't follow my idea.
8 town vs 3 mafia would still be an okay ratio for the detective to find the mafia if we had leads or mafia reads by the detectives that could be posted. However, your plan basically suggests that we don't do anything to find clues anymore for the next three days:
- Don't get any further reads because the detectives waste their nights investigating the same person over and over again.
- Don't get the chance to "randomly" hit on a mafia member by voting
- Don't get any bandwaggons that can be analyzed.
So basically we would then be in the same situation as today. Very limited leads. Which would really screw us if the detective is killed by then. Also your plan's goal was only to understand who detective and CC are iirc ? Well, I bet we can work it out anyway in 3 days when both are still alive and post all their reads. Chances are we might have lynched some of their reads already by then (or night-kills) or we can work it out by simply looking at them. The CC has a much higher chance to get mafia reads than the detective (coin flips vs 2/number of players left) so if you get many mafia reads you are more likely to be CC than detective unless you're much more sure in your reads than investigating random players.
In fact I believe that everyone following your plan would be so bad for the town that i'm evaluating the chance that you tried to sabotage us with it.
We are 2 mafia kills and a lynch further down the game than when I first suggested the plan, in that time 3 townie's have died and no mafia, are you really trying to say that for the same amount of deaths we wouldn't be better off now with a detective that definitely knows he is not the cc? And with him having conformation of which way ryant is.
Bearing in mind that ryant is someone that everybody agrees is suspicious to the point where he is currently top or near the top of the agreed to lynch list, and unless I have read wrong appears to have had the most votes to lynch him than any other player still alive since we started the game I think that finding out if he is town or mafia would have been useful as well.
choosing ryant would have made the most sense because he was already suspicious and I have him pegged as either just a townie with no role or the godfather, and if he is the latter it would definitely be worth it as we would then know that the detective doesn't have a mafia member still out there he has to I vestige twice, there was a chance the detective has already investigated ryant before I posted that plan Meaning he would only need 2 nights to confirm not 3, but didn't want to sound like I was over complicating it so I didn't mention that as it is something that if the detective had already investigated him once then he would have been able to deduce for himself.
I could have said myself just the same but chose ryant because he had already put himself out there by making his claim and as I'm sure you are aware that unless I am mafia or a Mason, of which i am neither, the only role I could be 100% certain on at any time in the game, and especially so before events force people to make mistakes like your uncovering of trek in the last game, is my own so using myself I would not have learnt anything those 3 nights except who the detective is when he has the leads to unveil himself, and I would only allow the detective to prove my role as a townie instead of focusing those 3 days on the person I suspected to be most likely to be the godfather at that point.
I still think ryant could be the godfather and I have a gut feeling on who it could be if not but as it is only a gut feeling I don't want to talk that person out until I see more evidence than one seemingly throwaway comment that nobody else has picked up on, either through seeing how they Continue to interact afterwards, which they have gone quiet compared to other players which is suspicious but can't really be taken as evidence when we still have a few quiet players as that alone wouldn't set them out compared to the other quiet ones so mentioning hem at this point would look worse on me for calling hem out without enough evidence then I think it would on them. The other way I am hoping to find out is by how lynch voting goes and who they vote for when we are split and whether the person they made the throwaway comment about is town or mafia as that would be evidence to either support or enough evidence to dismiss my theory.
that'd why I haven't mentioned their name yet as I think doing so would be less beneficial until I have more evidence why as I didn't want them to think I am.on to them if I am right, and I don't feel I have enough confidence to name them and push for them to be lynched as if I am wrong I am sure I would be next one lynched meaning by saying something too soon I would be effectively bringing down 2 town members instead which I really don't want to do because that would jeopardise the town too much at this point.
And I never said we can't do anything in the mean time, we could still have questioned hillis as we did but not actually lynch him, questioned tmm after his posts that made him suspicious to most and from those interactions and the mafia kill analysis we could still have got some insights.
At he moment it feels to me like we don't have much to go on and are clutching at straws a little with our search and that the mafia have definitely got the upper hand at the moment.
The bikex and Croatia interaction just now has been interesting to read, after bikex outlined the town mafia ratio for how the game runs if we incorrectly lynch every night based on if we lynch tonight or not shows that we wouldn't lose a night if we don't lynch I am wondering if it is better to not lynch tonight or to save the no lynch day for when there are less townie's as then the mafia have to make a double kill when he only people left are the highly active ones which would almost force them to show themselves due to how thoughts are divided by that point.
I'm starting to believe that if we can get away with a no lynch at some point then it might be best to do so later in the game if we feel we need to force the mafia to make a move.
I'm guessing that is why those that have played before like trek and knockout were so adamant to lynch every night early on, as it's something I haven only realised thanks to bikex's post, although that doesn't take into account us finding a mafia member or the doctor getting a correct save if he is still about.
I've not typed this in the order it is layer out so sorry if I cover the same point more than once or if it is a little all over the place but I hope you can still follow my thinking. If I get forced into naming the person I think might be godfather if ryant isn't then I will do so but I don't believe I have enough evidence yet and there is 2 people we could lynch that would either give me the evidence to name then or prove my theory is wrong without leading the town on a wild goose chase.
So for now I want to vote Lynch Ryant as that would be the first step and he does seem the most suspicious to me right now.
And considering his is my first time playing this game if I was a mafia member then I would have been a lot more cautious than this and nowhere near as vocal as I would have felt the need to evaluate how the town is thinking before deciding to be this active as me messing up by being overly active would have been a lot worse if I was mafia and trying to instigate a mafia win.
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Everyone seems to believe trek about him and Aquarius being the masons, but that does make me wonder why Aquarius didn't vote for either Hillis or TMM after this post if he believed they were talking to each other as if he was a mason himself then it would mean that he would know the only way they are talking would be if they were both mafia.
I do find it a little odd that you left it an extra day before claiming instead of doing so as soon as Aquarius got killed by the mafia if you wanted to make sure you did before you were also killed and both are dead considering the mafia killings do seem somewhat if not completely random and there was every chance you could have been killed instead of Marco last night meaning both masons would be dead so it seems strange to site not allowing the mafia to claim the role as a reason to come forward now when you gave them a chance to kill you last night when you could have come forward yesterday and not given them any chance of taking both masons out back to back.
I'm not saying I don't believe you I just want to know why you left it a day considering your logic doesn't quite fully add up with your actions on that one due to you giving them one night in which they could have had both taken out when you needn't have done so but were active in the discussion so could have posted it then as proof that you are definitely town to make your word carry more weight on who to vote for then.
It simply didn't occur to me as an idea to do it until late in the day when Aquaruis was killed and when I got home it was night, I posted it first chance I had the next day.
I'm also not sure why Aquarius said that hill is and TMM may be masons, maybe he wanted to not be thought to ha any special role. But he was quite vocal to me about being suspect of hillis.
Either way, nobody else has claimed mason and if I was lying and there was a 'real' mason they would counterclaim immediately to get me lynched, since that hasn't happened it shows that I'm a mason pretty clearly.
sammyt93 wrote:
Is this not similar to how you figured it who was the detective last game but suggested before there is a false claim like there was last time?
Oh and I'm not sure if I said it previous or not but in my opinion finding ryant's role would be useful as he is either town or the godfather, I'm not sure which and wouldn't be able to guess either way without more evidence but I don't think he is either the terrorist or the mafia goon as he would be found out as soon as he is investigated. At the moment I am leaning toward him being town but there is a little bit of suspicion still.
I assume you mainly refer to this proposed strategy: https://pcmdaily.c...st_1245740 . That was imo a very different situation. I'll try to explain it again:
Try to put yourself into my position:
- i am a normal townee with no special role
- trek claims to be detective, trek claims that he got a mafia read on me
-> i know trek cannot be detective but only CC or mafia (any other townee would have absolutely no reason to pull that stunt). Also I pretty quickly got the feeling that trek is more likely mafia than town because of how he tried to sound cautious.
My goal is of course that the town wins - not necessarily that i will survive till the end. For that it means that if i die early that is no problem as long as the town in general benefits. That means:
- If my death means that a mafia member will die it will be worth it.
- If my death means that the detective knows for sure that he is the detective that's also okay.
- If the detective sacrifizes himself to save me (posting his town-read on me would mean that he doesnt live long - either by night kill or terrorist) that would be a catastrophe for the town as they get no benefit from the detective
[spoiler]I didn't even consider that i would survive the situation without another detective claim. In fact i would probably have pushed to lynch the suggested mafia member if it would be anyone but me
Because of that my actions & proposed strategies after his claim had two goals in mind:
1. Protect the detective so that he doesnt claim his role (what some others tried to call for)
2. Get trekbmc lynched. Either he's mafia or getting him lynched tells the detective that he is indeed the detective and not the confused cop.
Everything that happened last season and every analysis of mine should be read with that background in mind.
sammyt93 wrote:
Well 8 town to 3 mafia would still be a good ratio for the detective to find the mafia. The biggest risk as I see it would be either the detective or the doctor getting killed by the mafia in that time and that might be too big of a risk to take, that said there is a risk of that before they find any mafia members anyway even if we don't follow my idea.
8 town vs 3 mafia would still be an okay ratio for the detective to find the mafia if we had leads or mafia reads by the detectives that could be posted. However, your plan basically suggests that we don't do anything to find clues anymore for the next three days:
- Don't get any further reads because the detectives waste their nights investigating the same person over and over again.
- Don't get the chance to "randomly" hit on a mafia member by voting
- Don't get any bandwaggons that can be analyzed.
So basically we would then be in the same situation as today. Very limited leads. Which would really screw us if the detective is killed by then. Also your plan's goal was only to understand who detective and CC are iirc ? Well, I bet we can work it out anyway in 3 days when both are still alive and post all their reads. Chances are we might have lynched some of their reads already by then (or night-kills) or we can work it out by simply looking at them. The CC has a much higher chance to get mafia reads than the detective (coin flips vs 2/number of players left) so if you get many mafia reads you are more likely to be CC than detective unless you're much more sure in your reads than investigating random players.
In fact I believe that everyone following your plan would be so bad for the town that i'm evaluating the chance that you tried to sabotage us with it.
We are 2 mafia kills and a lynch further down the game than when I first suggested the plan, in that time 3 townie's have died and no mafia, are you really trying to say that for the same amount of deaths we wouldn't be better off now with a detective that definitely knows he is not the cc? And with him having conformation of which way ryant is.
Bearing in mind that ryant is someone that everybody agrees is suspicious to the point where he is currently top or near the top of the agreed to lynch list, and unless I have read wrong appears to have had the most votes to lynch him than any other player still alive since we started the game I think that finding out if he is town or mafia would have been useful as well.
choosing ryant would have made the most sense because he was already suspicious and I have him pegged as either just a townie with no role or the godfather, and if he is the latter it would definitely be worth it as we would then know that the detective doesn't have a mafia member still out there he has to I vestige twice, there was a chance the detective has already investigated ryant before I posted that plan Meaning he would only need 2 nights to confirm not 3, but didn't want to sound like I was over complicating it so I didn't mention that as it is something that if the detective had already investigated him once then he would have been able to deduce for himself.
I could have said myself just the same but chose ryant because he had already put himself out there by making his claim and as I'm sure you are aware that unless I am mafia or a Mason, of which i am neither, the only role I could be 100% certain on at any time in the game, and especially so before events force people to make mistakes like your uncovering of trek in the last game, is my own so using myself I would not have learnt anything those 3 nights except who the detective is when he has the leads to unveil himself, and I would only allow the detective to prove my role as a townie instead of focusing those 3 days on the person I suspected to be most likely to be the godfather at that point.
I still think ryant could be the godfather and I have a gut feeling on who it could be if not but as it is only a gut feeling I don't want to talk that person out until I see more evidence than one seemingly throwaway comment that nobody else has picked up on, either through seeing how they Continue to interact afterwards, which they have gone quiet compared to other players which is suspicious but can't really be taken as evidence when we still have a few quiet players as that alone wouldn't set them out compared to the other quiet ones so mentioning hem at this point would look worse on me for calling hem out without enough evidence then I think it would on them. The other way I am hoping to find out is by how lynch voting goes and who they vote for when we are split and whether the person they made the throwaway comment about is town or mafia as that would be evidence to either support or enough evidence to dismiss my theory.
that'd why I haven't mentioned their name yet as I think doing so would be less beneficial until I have more evidence why as I didn't want them to think I am.on to them if I am right, and I don't feel I have enough confidence to name them and push for them to be lynched as if I am wrong I am sure I would be next one lynched meaning by saying something too soon I would be effectively bringing down 2 town members instead which I really don't want to do because that would jeopardise the town too much at this point.
And I never said we can't do anything in the mean time, we could still have questioned hillis as we did but not actually lynch him, questioned tmm after his posts that made him suspicious to most and from those interactions and the mafia kill analysis we could still have got some insights.
At he moment it feels to me like we don't have much to go on and are clutching at straws a little with our search and that the mafia have definitely got the upper hand at the moment.
The bikex and Croatia interaction just now has been interesting to read, after bikex outlined the town mafia ratio for how the game runs if we incorrectly lynch every night based on if we lynch tonight or not shows that we wouldn't lose a night if we don't lynch I am wondering if it is better to not lynch tonight or to save the no lynch day for when there are less townie's as then the mafia have to make a double kill when he only people left are the highly active ones which would almost force them to show themselves due to how thoughts are divided by that point.
I'm starting to believe that if we can get away with a no lynch at some point then it might be best to do so later in the game if we feel we need to force the mafia to make a move.
I'm guessing that is why those that have played before like trek and knockout were so adamant to lynch every night early on, as it's something I haven only realised thanks to bikex's post, although that doesn't take into account us finding a mafia member or the doctor getting a correct save if he is still about.
I've not typed this in the order it is layer out so sorry if I cover the same point more than once or if it is a little all over the place but I hope you can still follow my thinking. If I get forced into naming the person I think might be godfather if ryant isn't then I will do so but I don't believe I have enough evidence yet and there is 2 people we could lynch that would either give me the evidence to name then or prove my theory is wrong without leading the town on a wild goose chase.
So for now I want to vote Lynch Ryant as that would be the first step and he does seem the most suspicious to me right now.
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Thanks for the long reply. It and the argumentation between Bikex and Croatia gives me a lot to think about. Won't be able to do so now as I'm heading to work.
I vote to lynch sammyt. Because I have a bad feeling about him for two days already and I absolutely don't understand his doubts about treks claim.
A mafia member would have to be insane to claim mason at this early point. The odds that one mason is still alive is very high and a mason would have no reason to not counter claim his role after treks claim. That confirms his role to me.
The post you linked can be easily explained by the attempt to trap someone into a wrong claim. A cheap attempt but maybe worth it against new players not familiar with the game yet.
Also I cannot believe that trek would again do a suicide claim after last season of he were mafia. That all makes trek the only confirmed townie so far and spreading doubt about that looks wrong to me.
For the no lynch decision and the table by Bikex I want to add that we "get back an extra lynch" if the doctor makes a save at some point or give someone who gets a gun the chance to shot once without giving away a lynch opportunity. However, if we use a no lynch day today we would give up the chance that the doc makes a save which imo is too early and a possible gun shot would cost us a day to lynch if we no lynch now.
With the new developments another 10 hours but that's it
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I am also beginning to be suspicious of sammy because of the depth of his posts. It is easy to overlook someone and consider them an ally when they look into things so much. As far as this moment I think the following players are pro-town: myself, Raziz, TheManxMissile, baseballlover312, knockout
Obviously I am still lynching ryant but I still think that Croatia14 and sammyt93 are the next 2 on the suspicion list. Surely one of them 2 will be investigated tonight. I still need 1-2 days to see where everything goes.
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sammyt93 wrote:
Everyone seems to believe trek about him and Aquarius being the masons, but that does make me wonder why Aquarius didn't vote for either Hillis or TMM after this post if he believed they were talking to each other as if he was a mason himself then it would mean that he would know the only way they are talking would be if they were both mafia.
I do find it a little odd that you left it an extra day before claiming instead of doing so as soon as Aquarius got killed by the mafia if you wanted to make sure you did before you were also killed and both are dead considering the mafia killings do seem somewhat if not completely random and there was every chance you could have been killed instead of Marco last night meaning both masons would be dead so it seems strange to site not allowing the mafia to claim the role as a reason to come forward now when you gave them a chance to kill you last night when you could have come forward yesterday and not given them any chance of taking both masons out back to back.
I'm not saying I don't believe you I just want to know why you left it a day considering your logic doesn't quite fully add up with your actions on that one due to you giving them one night in which they could have had both taken out when you needn't have done so but were active in the discussion so could have posted it then as proof that you are definitely town to make your word carry more weight on who to vote for then.
I feel I need to highlight this line I typed earlier as it seems knockout has either overlooked it or chosen to ignore it.
I wasn't trying to question whether trek's claim was valid but making sure the small logic hole in it of I don't want both dead without claiming but not posting straight away, leaving a chance for that to happen was cleared up now and not a distraction later on, especially as trek's logic so far has been sound and doesn't appear to show any flaws like that one.
I am happy with his explanation and haven't pressed it any further.
Because the post I linked to showed that Aquarius clearly thought that Hillis and TMM were talking, and Trek has now revealed that Aquarius was a mason himself, then he must have known the only way that Hillis and TMM could be talking was if they were both mafia.
Aquarius did seem certain that they were talking, and he must have known that was only possible if they were mafia, so it made me wonder why he didn't vote to lynch one of them instead of no-one as if he was right that would have been 2 mafia members found really early and a risk worth taking. I was trying to find out if Trek knew why Aqaurius didn't vote, and whether that was something they discussed as masons and not in this thread.
Seeing as knockout said he has a lot to think about but was then off to work I'm hoping that he finishes work and gets to reread through it all and post again before the deadline.
jseadog1 wrote:
I am also beginning to be suspicious of sammy because of the depth of his posts. It is easy to overlook someone and consider them an ally when they look into things so much. As far as this moment I think the following players are pro-town: myself, Raziz, TheManxMissile, baseballlover312, knockout
Obviously I am still lynching ryant but I still think that Croatia14 and sammyt93 are the next 2 on the suspicion list. Surely one of them 2 will be investigated tonight. I still need 1-2 days to see where everything goes.
Now you named almost everybody, I'd like to know what you think about bikex as well. And why you don't trust trek yet, who seems to be the most obvious townie of all atm.
I trust Bikex at the moment as his analysis of everything is something that would be a bad game-play move if he was mafia. I will admit I have paid no attention to trek or the way he has played the game so I will trust everyone's opinion on him. Bikex seems to think that either you or TMM is mafia and I am 90% confident that TMM is not mafia, meaning that you are the prime suspect I should be concerned about according to him. Who does that leave?
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sammyt93 wrote:
The bikex and Croatia interaction just now has been interesting to read, after bikex outlined the town mafia ratio for how the game runs if we incorrectly lynch every night based on if we lynch tonight or not shows that we wouldn't lose a night if we don't lynch I am wondering if it is better to not lynch tonight or to save the no lynch day for when there are less townie's as then the mafia have to make a double kill when he only people left are the highly active ones which would almost force them to show themselves due to how thoughts are divided by that point.
Remember that this is only the case if no action from a doctor/gunsmith/day-kill by whoever that bombing mafia guy is called takes place. Otherwise stuff gets turned around and we loose one day by tatking no action.
jseadog1 wrote:
I trust Bikex at the moment as his analysis of everything is something that would be a bad game-play move if he was mafia. I will admit I have paid no attention to trek or the way he has played the game so I will trust everyone's opinion on him. Bikex seems to think that either you or TMM is mafia and I am 90% confident that TMM is not mafia, meaning that you are the prime suspect I should be concerned about according to him. Who does that leave?
weirdskyfan64 & Ian Butler. Thoughts on those 2?
I haven't seen anything that really helps the town of him so far given that his only "helpful" analysis leads to a conclusion that in my eyes supports the mafia more than the town. May I also ask why you trust knockout?
So far very few activity of those indeed. Would be nice if both share their thoughts.
I don't trust knockout fully but I think it is safe to assume he is not mafia. The mafia has been happy with where the discussion is going so why would a mafia member try to turn the discussion around and especially lynch someone random like sammyt. Seems like it would drastically turn the discussion a different way and the mafia was clearly happy with how things were going.
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jseadog1 wrote:
I trust Bikex at the moment as his analysis of everything is something that would be a bad game-play move if he was mafia. I will admit I have paid no attention to trek or the way he has played the game so I will trust everyone's opinion on him. Bikex seems to think that either you or TMM is mafia and I am 90% confident that TMM is not mafia, meaning that you are the prime suspect I should be concerned about according to him. Who does that leave?
weirdskyfan64 & Ian Butler. Thoughts on those 2?
I haven't seen anything that really helps the town of him so far given that his only "helpful" analysis leads to a conclusion that in my eyes supports the mafia more than the town. May I also ask why you trust knockout?
So far very few activity of those indeed. Would be nice if both share their thoughts.
No problem.
I've shared my thoughts a few times already, but I must admit I cannot present a wall of text like some of my collegues Mostly because I'm a first time player and game mechanics are not flowing (yet) as they could be.
That said, it's extremely hard to make up my mind on who to trust. Some opinions are so contrary that I can only assume one of them is mafia. Problem is, if we jump on the wrong bandwagon, we sacrifice another good townee.
Here's some loose thoughts I've had. Keep in mind these are not over-analysed thoughts, but I'm gonna throw them in there anyway:
- TMM is playing it way more low-key than his start. First time player like myself, I'm thinking he made a judgement call and is actually pro-town, now playing it better.
- Mafia kills have not given us any information, only that the mafia likes the way things are going. Like I said before, for me that plays in ryant's advantage.
However, ryant has a lot of people against him, and it'd be nice to have closure on that, because even if he is town, it doesn't play well for us if we waste our energy accusing him. Detective should definitely investigate him, maybe he already did and his voice is lost in the discussion OR he is lynching him and I'm missing my cue.
- weirdskyfan has been quiet. But, I've not been overly active myself. Doesn't say much, though. I don't want to make rash decisions because I believe a wrong lynching is never helping. hillis' death was very unfortunate, but was it mafia-driven?
- Trek's mason confession makes sense, but isn't it a bit too perfect? On the other hand, no-one has stood up to his claim and it'd be too risky to state because if both masons would be alive, they'd be on trek's scalp by now. So in my book, trek's telling the truth.
- BBL is hard to read. He and jseadog are both pushing a bit hard for a ryant-lynch. Could be "harmless" but don't forget mafia are in contact. There's still three of them out there and three votes can go a long way. We should keep that in mind and look whose votes sway the same way.
- knockout makes some good contributions with long posts and it's obvious he's a good player. That makes him one of the more dangerous ones, for me.
- Croatia is strange. He's hell bent on TMM and he's actually the first name on my mafia-list.
To sum up:
On my 'kind-of-trust' list there's TMM, trek
On my 'strange-behaviour' list there's Croatia first and foremost.
To the more experienced players: could it be in our interest to lynch no-one? Because I've seen it written here that lynching moves the game along even if it's a bad lynch?
PS. Well, what do you know, there's a wall of text after all
Lynching Nobody will just result in the mafia killing someone and us hoping it gives us a lead. If we lynch someone and its the wrong decision, the mafia is forced to act upon it and kill someone meaning we could lose 2 important roles or just 2 townies. However, getting rid of a distraction could open up leads that could win us the game by figuring out the mafia and just getting them 1 by 1. The important thing is we don't kill the detective and that somehow the CC and detective are communicating on this thread to figure out who is who by trying to remain sneaky.
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jseadog1 wrote:
Lynching Nobody will just result in the mafia killing someone and us hoping it gives us a lead. If we lynch someone and its the wrong decision, the mafia is forced to act upon it and kill someone meaning we could lose 2 important roles or just 2 townies. However, getting rid of a distraction could open up leads that could win us the game by figuring out the mafia and just getting them 1 by 1. The important thing is we don't kill the detective and that somehow the CC and detective are communicating on this thread to figure out who is who by trying to remain sneaky.
You assume of course, that both the CC and detective are still alive, which is in itself something that we can only hope for. Knockout did the probabilities of that a few night ago, and the chances of that get worse by the day if we continue to let them pick us off without any consequence.
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jseadog1 wrote:
Lynching Nobody will just result in the mafia killing someone and us hoping it gives us a lead. If we lynch someone and its the wrong decision, the mafia is forced to act upon it and kill someone meaning we could lose 2 important roles or just 2 townies. However, getting rid of a distraction could open up leads that could win us the game by figuring out the mafia and just getting them 1 by 1. The important thing is we don't kill the detective and that somehow the CC and detective are communicating on this thread to figure out who is who by trying to remain sneaky.
You assume of course, that both the CC and detective are still alive, which is in itself something that we can only hope for. Knockout did the probabilities of that a few night ago, and the chances of that get worse by the day if we continue to let them pick us off without any consequence.
Wait so jandal7 is not revealing after each death who is who? I thought he was only doing that for the mafia members? If so, this is going to suck.
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Mostly because I'm a first time player and game mechanics are not flowing (yet) as they could be.
