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| Shonak |
Posted on 03-10-2017 08:38
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Too bad someone else wanted to sign Samu too, I had hoped he could retire at the team where he first started out 
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| AbhishekLFC |
Posted on 03-10-2017 14:45
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Not sure if this is the right time to have this discussion, but since I thought about it, I might as well post it here before I forget the details...
I have been thinking of a way to 'refurbish' Steals in the ICL for the coming seasons so that the managers losing riders have a cushion to the shock of extremely high bids.
Right now, a manager making a steal attempt just pays the wage of the rider that they've offered if they're successful and the manager losing the rider comes out of it empty handed. I propose that there should be a money-split in this case.
Firstly, steal attempts should be mandatorily made to be a maximum of 25% (exact percentage can be thought of later) higher than current wage. This is to ensure that steal attempts don't raise a rider's wage through the roof.
On a successful steal attempt, the stealing manager pays the wage of the rider, same as it was in the past season, but the extra that he offered will go to the previous manager. If the current manager decides to keep the rider, it is business as usual in renewals.
For example, Let's say I have Porte on 1000 wage (not his actual wage, just considering). Now, Groupo Argos-Quala want to make a steal attempt on him.
Maximum bid -> 1250 (1000 + 25% of 1000)
I do not want to pay what Porte asks for in the renewals, so I let him go.
Porte wage at Groupo -> 1000
Money received by me -> 250 (plus the budget freed up by Porte leaving)
The logic behind proposing this is to ensure that money being spent on a rider comes back into the transfer market for further buys. Also, the cap of 25% on the steal attempts will hopefully prevent a situation like this time wherein some managers where severely limited after deflecting steal attempts.
I know this will be a little more headache on Bikex's part and I will not impose anything on him, as he does enough for the game already. But just a thought...
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| OZrocker |
Posted on 03-10-2017 15:50
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It's a good idea, but I think the system works how it is. The idea of compensation is certainly worth thinking about, since that extra budget space doesn't always result in getting a similar quality rider back in to the "stolen from" team.
The cap on steal attempts doesn't really seam right for me, since any steal attempts always allow for the rider accepting a lower amount to stay at his old team. If the manager thinks it's too much to pay he can let the rider go, and the stealing team will be left paying more than what the original manager was unwilling to pay.
Off-topic, but with transfers done I'll finally do a proper team update in the next few days.
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| Shonak |
Posted on 03-10-2017 16:02
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IMO current system actually works well, however it actively encourages stealing and manipulation of sorts because there's little penalty. Meanwhile, investing into longevity and quality of a rider through AoD, potential increase, scouting and most importantly training is not protected well enough. Loyalty as a bonus is imo not the same as active investment by the way.
IMO, it opens up the door to freeloaders and vulturing because you can get a rider for a risky bid, which then a) puts the other manager at a disadvantage who b) may have invested already significantly into training, scouting or years of development. so there are a lot of past costs that one may just totally ignore by stealing.
If the invested money of the respective manager could be included as a entry barrier to new managers, this would significantly help.
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| Bikex |
Posted on 04-10-2017 12:00
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I'm anyways going to think over some changes for the steals already, your ideas are very welcome and I'll consider them when making a decision
Here is the post round 3 database: https://www.mediafire.com/file/pqfpz9...-R3.2.xlsx
In the spoiler is the updated budget.
Spoiler | 1 | Vegeta Cycling Team | CT | 20 | 0 | | 5 | Cool Runnings | CT | 95 | 0 | | 6 | Filliers - Mora Pro Cycling Team | WT | 1030 | 0 | | 7 | Liberty Seguros | WT | 1710 | 0 | | 11 | Sugoi - Xanterra | WT | 550 | 0 | | 12 | Allianz - BMW Cycling Team | WT | 1010 | 2 | | 15 | Ceramica Panaria - Autogrill - Cipollini | WT | 1705 | 0 | | 19 | Bunzl - Centrica | WT | 95 | 0 | | 20 | CarbonSports Cycling - Lightweight | WT | 1070 | 6 | | 23 | Italo - Ventilair | WT | 0 | 0 | | 32 | Team Cymru Wales | CT | 630 | 0 | | 34 | SAP - Bianchi | WT | 1050 | 0 | | 40 | Pedal Africa for Qhubeka | CT | 20 | 0 | | 41 | Grupo Argos - Quala | WT | 700 | 1 | | 42 | Team Alitalia | WT | 65 | 0 | | 43 | TVM Cycling Team | WT | 275 | 0 | | 44 | Suntory Lucozade Sport | WT | 1280 | 0 | | 46 | ICBC Cycling Team | CT | 1170 | 0 | | 50 | CCC Sprandi Polkowice | CT | 0 | 0 | | 52 | Santos - Euskadi | WT | 0 | 0 | | 53 | Sevilla Cycling Team | WT | 145 | 0 | | 58 | Équipe Cycliste Peugeot | WT | 95 | 0 | | 61 | VisitUkraine p/b Nemiroff | WT | 0 | 0 | | 62 | Wiggle presented by Boardman Bikes | CT | 0 | 0 | | 63 | Lufthansa Racing Team | WT | 100 | 0 | | 68 | Credit Suisse Pro Cycling | CT | 20 | 0 | | 70 | Polestar Cyan ProCycling | CT | 70 | 0 | | 71 | Spidertech - Argon18 | CT | 1450 | 3 | | 72 | An Post | CT | 750 | 0 | | 73 | Vittel - Havas Communications | CT | 0 | 0 | | 74 | Wilier Triestina | CT | 70 | 0 | | 75 | Bosch Cycling Team | CT | 0 | 0 | | 76 | Jeep Pro Cycling | CT | 1900 | 3 | | 77 | Veranclassic - AGO | CT | 0 | 0 | | 78 | The Balkan Cycling Project | CT | 130 | 0 | | 79 | Trek - Segafredo | CT | 190 | 0 | | 80 | Statoil Pro Cycling Team | CT | 80 | 0 | | 81 | Team WWE | CT | 35 | 0 | | 82 | Aviva Cycling Team | CT | 20 | 0 |
As you can see some teams still need a rider, Carbonsports also need to fill their development team. Riders can still be signed by the FCFS principle. Just post in this thread the riders you want to sign together with their ID. The wage paid to the rider equals his minimum wage. |
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| jandal7 |
Posted on 04-10-2017 12:01
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thanks god that's over 
24/02/21 - kandesbunzler said “I don't drink famous people."
15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant."
[ICL] Santos-Euskadi | [PT]  Xero Racing
5x  x5
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| dominox |
Posted on 04-10-2017 12:07
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This year research and scouting are before planning or after it?
If before... give me my planning already . |
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| Aquarius97 |
Posted on 04-10-2017 12:17
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Well, I have my team completed, so it's time to do an update in the Teams thread 
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| Bikex |
Posted on 04-10-2017 14:04
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Allianz will sign
| 8394 | Ferhat | Said | | 8304 | Dimos | Stavros |
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 04-10-2017 14:34
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Grupo Argos - Quala will sign:
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| Ad Bot |
Posted on 22-11-2024 19:43
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| knockout |
Posted on 04-10-2017 15:31
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Didnt fill up my team in round 3 because i was on vacation and had not the time to double check my calculations.
CarbonSports Cycling - Lightweight will sign:
| 3382 | Locatelli | Stefano | | 1927 | Machado | Tiago | | 143 | Cornu | Dominique | | 5237 | Rohde | Leon | | 421 | Visconti | Giovanni | | 2228 | Steigmiller | Jakob |
A Big Thank You To All MG Reporters! |
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| knockout |
Posted on 04-10-2017 15:33
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OZrocker wrote:
Typical, the one round where I had about 4-5 alternates I would have been equally happy with I get the two I bid on.
3.1 signings
Spoiler No changes for Equipe Peugeot, Bosch, CCC, Ceramica, Cool Runnings, Credit Suisse, Filliers, ICBC, Italo, Jeep, Lufthansa, Sevilla, Spidertech, Sugoi, Suntory, Team Cymru, Team WWE, The Balkan, Trek, Vegeta, Veranclassic.
Allianz
Henri Nounkeu
An Post
Mads Wurtz
Hamish Schreurs
Aviva
Dennis Van Winden
Bunzl
John-Lee Augustyn
Dylan Girdlestone
Steven Broughton
CarbonSports
Juraj Sagan
Toms Skujins
Alexander Hier
Grupo Argos
Tom Leezer
Andres Pereyra
Joao Marcelo Gaspar
Josue Moyano
Louis Verhelst
Liberty Seguros
Ivan Esquerro
Pedal Africa
Adrien Marie
Polestar
Gatis Smukulis
Thomas Nybo Riis
Emanuel Buchmann
Santos
Hignio Fernandez
Wietse Bosman
Benjamin Scott
SAP
Stefan Kung
Statoil
Mathias Rask Jeppessen
Fred Obungu
Team Alitalia
Maximilian Schachmann
Dylan Gilbert
Yannik Pollhuber
Gilbert den Dunnen
Franz Rahn
TVM
Kenichi Imai
Yoon-jung Eom
VisitUkraine
Alexandre Pliuschin
Ole Haavardsholm
Vittel
Nelson Oliveira
Frederique Robert
Julian Kern
Petr Vakoc
Antoine Pirlot
Wiggle
Adam Phelan
Wilier
Oscar Gatto
Matteo Rabottini
Rolando Calo
Antonio Lopez
Michele Lerda
Carlo Varalli
These lists are super useful! Thanks a lot!
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| OZrocker |
Posted on 04-10-2017 16:14
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Then you'll love this post 
I've still got at least two more tables I'm working on for the stats & previews section.
Full transfer table for 3.2
| Rider ID | Last Name | First Name | Signed By | Wage | | 868 | Sánchez | Samuel | Liberty | 100 | | 8113 | Jansen | Martin | Lufthansa | 110 | | 8287 | Martin | Gustavo | Santos | 100 | | 8319 | Alzaga | Pablo | Wilier | 170 |
Edited by OZrocker on 04-10-2017 16:46
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| Shonak |
Posted on 04-10-2017 16:24
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OZrocker wrote:
| Rider ID | Last Name | First Name | Signed By | Wage | | 868 | Sánchez | Samuel | Liberty | 100 |
Welcome home 
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 05-10-2017 07:00
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| 8287 | Martin | Gustavo | Santos | 100 |
damn dice
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| jandal7 |
Posted on 05-10-2017 07:00
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damn dice 
24/02/21 - kandesbunzler said “I don't drink famous people."
15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant."
[ICL] Santos-Euskadi | [PT] Xero Racing
5x x5
2x x2
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 05-10-2017 11:50
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Shonak wrote:
Too bad someone else wanted to sign Samu too, I had hoped he could retire at the team where he first started out Luis Leon doesnt deserve this oppertunity? :'(
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| Bikex |
Posted on 05-10-2017 15:12
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Anyone with PCM15 able to help me put together races? Most will stay the same as last season, but it would be great to get some input on some variants to use.  |
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| dominox |
Posted on 05-10-2017 15:25
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I could try help, but I have PCM17 and I believe a database and some races might not be compatible . |
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| AbhishekLFC |
Posted on 05-10-2017 15:53
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I'll try to help over the weekend. Let me know what you are looking for.
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